Originally posted by Ginger: I don't see the logic how it was poor decision on the part of the Warner Brothers.
Warner Bros. signed her to a guaranteed contract that paid her more than the show could generate in revenue. bad contract. Worse yet, the contract forced Warner Bros. to keep paying her even if they cancelled the show, so CW was forced to take another year of Reba under their wing at a loss as well. Bad contract.
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The CW needs to get its act together next season and judging by the pilots they're moving forward with, I don't think they'll have a fall 2009 upfront.
What sort of 'judgement' are you using to determine that a ensemble cast medical show won't work or that a 90210 spinoff won't work?
Even if they were taking a loss on Reba, I'm sure the success it was having and still is in syndication was making up for it. You know, kind of like how Jim and Scubs are going to be on ABC next year. Only in this case, the show was still bringing in high amounts of viewers for Cdub. As for the new stuff, I don't think a 90210 spinoff is the answer and I don't have too much hope for that medical spinoff. Plus, where are they going to air these shows? Some of them are going to get shoved off to Sundays and that means instant death.
I don't think The CW is going to get very far next season. It's the possibility that all of the Pilots are slanted in favor of young females. You have How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls which the title alone tells whats it's about...Golden Hour which is told from two female point of views...and a spin-off of a '90s teen soap.
That's not a lot of variety. It's all because The CW is trying to brand their network around Gossip Girl. Which is ludicrous since that show isn't a genuine 'hit'. Like making a bunch of Gossip Girl imitations is going to get the net of the ground... I have to ask the question - Gossip Girl, what have you done?
Golden Hour is told from a woman's perspective? The concept seemed to be a little more male skewing, so spinning it towards women is going to confuse the viewer.
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Golden Hour is told from a woman's perspective? The concept seemed to be a little more male skewing, so spinning it towards women is going to confuse the viewer.
Yep, I thought it would be more male skewing or more 'general' in terms of audience but I guess not.
Here's an excerpt from a TV Guide article:
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(referring to Golden Hour) It's a medical show seen through the eyes of two young women, one who has her first day on the job as an EMT
young women ... sorry, I just had to stress that. *sigh*
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Golden Hour is told from a woman's perspective? The concept seemed to be a little more male skewing, so spinning it towards women is going to confuse the viewer.
What are those idiots at CW thinking. Didn't they see how bad ABC failed when they tried to have a Medical drama told from the female perspective? What was that show called? Grey something, right? Besides, medical dramas should be told from the male perspective or viewers will be confused. Is that really what I am reading?
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Golden Hour is told from a woman's perspective? The concept seemed to be a little more male skewing, so spinning it towards women is going to confuse the viewer.
What are those idiots at CW thinking. Didn't they see how bad ABC failed when they tried to have a Medical drama told from the female perspective? What was that show called? Grey something, right? Besides, medical dramas should be told from the male perspective or viewers will be confused. Is that really what I am reading?
There was no claim that it should be told from the male perspective. What we're implying is that the concept appeared to not be so gender specific. Now that the 'female perspective' is thrown in, it's targeting females and furthering itself from males. Thus, it's no longer as male skewing.
Ostroff's record at CW speax for itself, and if the powers-that-be allow her to go on as "entertainment" director, the CW is headed to TV Boot Hill. This interview reveals more of her "wisdom", a whole blort of non-answers.
Originally posted by Obveeus: Warner Bros. signed her to a guaranteed contract that paid her more than the show could generate in revenue. bad contract. Worse yet, the contract forced Warner Bros. to keep paying her even if they cancelled the show, so CW was forced to take another year of Reba under their wing at a loss as well. Bad contract.
...but if Reba kept the night alive and brought viewers to another show, then it's actually worth more than what is paid to advertise during it. I don't know. That's my logic. I believe that had it be Reba and Life is Wild (or Veronica Mars) then the CW Sunday wouldn't have set the record lows that CW Now-Online Nation-Life is Wild created.
And I think the CW is making a mistake by saying the male population isn't worth targeting. Smallville, Supernatural, Angel all targeted men successfully getting over 4 million on the WB.
Originally posted by Obveeus: Warner Bros. signed her to a guaranteed contract that paid her more than the show could generate in revenue. bad contract. Worse yet, the contract forced Warner Bros. to keep paying her even if they cancelled the show, so CW was forced to take another year of Reba under their wing at a loss as well. Bad contract.
...but if Reba kept the night alive and brought viewers to another show, then it's actually worth more than what is paid to advertise during it. I don't know. That's my logic. I believe that had it be Reba and Life is Wild (or Veronica Mars) then the CW Sunday wouldn't have set the record lows that CW Now-Online Nation-Life is Wild created.
And I think the CW is making a mistake by saying the male population isn't worth targeting. Smallville, Supernatural, Angel all targeted men successfully getting over 4 million on the WB.
Not to mention Reaper, which despite not pulling in big amounts of viewers has demonstrated a loyal audience and repeats much better than the atypical CW show.
Clearly she hasn't learned her lesson. If the CW wants to eventually become one of the big networks, it needs to become known among all demographics, and this can especially be done with shows that will appeal to the young females at the same time as (and not to the total exclusion of) other demographics.
That's what shows like "Smallville" and "Supernatural" are able to do... they have female audiences, but also gets a chunk from male viewership. As for Reba and Everwood, Dawn Ostroff cancelled them since they skewered too old, when both shows had a wide range of age in the cast which garnered both young viewers and attracted people of other ages which would have helped make the network more well-known on its inception.
Cancelling "Reaper" would be a mistake considering the weak new shows proposed for next year.
Originally posted by Jared: Cancelling "Reaper" would be a mistake considering the weak new shows proposed for next year.
And it would be a mistake since its probably stronger than Gossip Girl in terms of pulling in viewers regardless of competition, lead in, and timeslot. It has a loyal following and with a little TLC could become a strong performer for them (at least on the level of Supernatural which isn't much stronger than it now).
Ostroff must be flipping out.... Did anyone see the ratings 2.4 million for Gossip Girl return-ouch. Maybe the Counterprogramming of ABC Family Greek is killing the show lol
I highly doubt the CW execs are too disappointed with last night's GG results. It scored in the teen and female demos, and it pulled virtually the same numbers leading off Monday night as it did when it had the 4 million+ Top Model leadin. It's not really a disappointment, and the iTunes sales will be massive just like they always are.
Originally posted by sasuga123: Ostroff must be flipping out.... Did anyone see the ratings 2.4 million for Gossip Girl return-ouch. Maybe the Counterprogramming of ABC Family Greek is killing the show lol
It pulled a 2.5 and a 2.0 in the demos one of the best since Nov. 28 and the highest GG has ever gotten in the demos. I doubt the CW is pissed with its results, especially adding the fact it was against DWtS, Bones, Big Bang & How I.
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