Originally posted by Texas Bound: I do not think you will be seeing a Smallville spinoff this season. Even more so now that Justin Hartley is attached to another project. There really isn't anyone left strong enough to anchor their own show. However, I hold onto my impossible glimmer of Gotham with Bruce Wayne getting the same treatment Clark Kent got over the past seven years.
I do believe that you will see the CW designate a particular night on their schedule to be older demo night, meaning all those medical/law/police shows will be lumped together even if it is all new programming on an entire night. Sunday makes most sense to me, although it does tickle my brain that they will go with Friday since their main demo doesn't watch TV that night. But side by side, I would still choose putting that block on Sunday despite the competition from other nets.
Well I guess if Life is Wild-like ratings are what they're after then that's what they should do.
Life is Wild is an oddball. I think given another timeslot it would have probably doubled its sampling audience. However CW Now and Online Nation effectively and decisively killed this night this season. I think there will be a slow climb over the next couple of weeks on Sunday now that the comedies are finding some very precarious footing. But if they wallow around that 1 million mark until May, then Sunday becomes even more of a cesspool.
But whether it is a group of new shows or established shows, they have to do something with the night. And perhaps a couple of shows with some buzz (well if they get some buzz) would probably find it easier to find 3 million on Sunday than it would on Friday.
But no matter how you cut it, it will be a long climb out of a deep black hole.
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Originally posted by Texas Bound: I do not think you will be seeing a Smallville spinoff this season. Even more so now that Justin Hartley is attached to another project. There really isn't anyone left strong enough to anchor their own show. However, I hold onto my impossible glimmer of Gotham with Bruce Wayne getting the same treatment Clark Kent got over the past seven years.
I do believe that you will see the CW designate a particular night on their schedule to be older demo night, meaning all those medical/law/police shows will be lumped together even if it is all new programming on an entire night. Sunday makes most sense to me, although it does tickle my brain that they will go with Friday since their main demo doesn't watch TV that night. But side by side, I would still choose putting that block on Sunday despite the competition from other nets.
Well I guess if Life is Wild-like ratings are what they're after then that's what they should do.
Life is Wild is an oddball. I think given another timeslot it would have probably doubled its sampling audience. However CW Now and Online Nation effectively and decisively killed this night this season. I think there will be a slow climb over the next couple of weeks on Sunday now that the comedies are finding some very precarious footing. But if they wallow around that 1 million mark until May, then Sunday becomes even more of a cesspool.
The comedies are stuggling big time on Sundays (about half of their audience has disappeared). Life is Wild had buzz. It had a lot of positive press. CW Now and Online Nation hurt the slot definitley, but I don't think 2 new dramas is the answer.
So they are about a million down now on their numbers from what they were on original Mondays. If they continue to come back, Sunday may be feasible again next year. And Monday is much easier to start with if they don't kill it this year.
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Originally posted by Texas Bound: If they continue to come back, Sunday may be feasible again next year.
I agree that the most recent Sunday ratings look promising (in so much as they represnt a significant bump upward). With 2 hours of Friday programming opening up next Fall, I think that the comedy lineup would be more likely to move there than to return to Mondays.
Sundays need a major makeover. ANTM repeats only pull in so much of an audience. Girlfriends repeats will be done after this year. Aliens in America is still dragging down the comedy block and needs to be fix. So there is two hours that needs to be repaired. The best way of fixing it is taking an established show and moving it there and then find compatible programming. After that, CW has to make effective publicity campaigns to get people to revisit a night they had mostly abandoned.
Originally posted by WlcmYourMmDtDance: Sundays need a major makeover. ANTM repeats only pull in so much of an audience. Girlfriends repeats will be done after this year. Aliens in America is still dragging down the comedy block and needs to be fix. So there is two hours that needs to be repaired. The best way of fixing it is taking an established show and moving it there and then find compatible programming. After that, CW has to make effective publicity campaigns to get people to revisit a night they had mostly abandoned.
Maybe back in the NBC days of Must-See-TV, people would watched 2 hours of comedies, but I don't think that is the case any more.
I think that best thing to do would be to slip up the comedy block:
Wednesday 8:00 America's Next Top Model 9:00 The Game 9:30 8 Days a Week
Friday 8:00 Everybody Hates Chris 8:30 Sherri Shepherd Sitcom 9:00 Undercover or Austin Golden Hour or Wrecking Ball
Depending on which is doing better on Fridays the comedies or the drama is who Beauty & the Geek will fill in for.
For one thing, Eight Days A Week is dead (at least according to TheFutonCritic). Justin Hartley was in it and now he's been moved to Austin Golden Hour. If "8 Days" were still going to go forward, they would have probably aired it by now or would have at least scheduled it.
Also, Sunday and Friday nights will now be The CW's problem timeslots. But moving any of the CW comedies to Fridays would be the final nail in the coffin to all of those shows. Those comedies have already moved back and forth between Monday and Sunday within the last two years and if they're moved again, their audience will fall even further. The comedies should just stay on Sundays, what The CW needs are just new comedies.
And as for Friday nights, The CW would be best off by airing either movies or cheap reality shows; and putting on any drama on The CW on Friday would also kill it, considering most of CW's target audience wont be there to watch it. Friday nights need shows that can target older audiences and/or families.
I think this really fits into the vision for the CW and their desired target audience:
Sunday 7:00 - Everybody Hates Chris (because he's rich) 7:30 - Clueless - the re-imaging of the UPN comedy and the movie of the same name 8:00 - The Game 8:30 - Nanny Dallas - a comedy that centers on 4 nannies and the 4 families they service. Set in a gated community in Dallas, Texas 9:00 - How to Teach Filthy Rich Girls - a drama which centers on a yale-educated young woman hired to be the live-in tutor/life coach to two rich heiresses in palm beach
Monday 8:00 - Gossip Girl 9:00 - One Tree Hill
Tuesday 8:00 - Beverly Hills 90210 Spin-Off 9:00 - SuperLuxury - Billionaire playboys and brothers Sam & Dean use their extreme wealth to seek out and combat paranormal and supernatural events in their posh BMN sports car.
Wednesday 8:00 - Top Model / Fashion Magazine Assistant Reality Show 9:00 - The Collection
Thursday 8:00 - Metropolis - It's sorta like Smallville, but focusing on Lex Luthor rather than Clark Kent 9:00 - Riche Rich - the latest incarnation of the poor little rich boy, who first appeared in comic-book form in 1953, will find Richie Rich as a teenager living in present-day new york
Friday 8:00 ENCORE: Top Model / Fashion Magazine Assistant Reality Show 9:00 - Beauty & the Geek / Rich Guy, Poor Guy - reality series features two single men - one filthy rich, the other dirt poor - trying to find love from a pool of women; the twist however is that neither the women involved in the show nor the audience will know who's the prince and who's the pauper
Here's what I'd do for the CW next year (if I were in charge)...
Sunday 7:00- Beauty & The Geek (New Timeslot; Sept-Nov)/ Reality Encores (Jan-Feb)/ Beauty & The Geek (Mar-May) 8:00- Everybody Hates Chris 8:30- Aliens In America (Sept-Nov)/ "NEW COMEDY" (Jan-May) 9:00- The Game 9:30- "UNTITLED SHERRI SHEPHERD PROJECT"
Monday 8:00- One Tree Hill (Sept-Nov)/ "UNTITLED FASHION MAGAZINE PROJECT" (Jan-Feb)/ One Tree Hill (Mar-May) 9:00- "WRECKING BALL" (Sept-Nov)/ "HOW TO TEACH FILTHY RICH GIRLS (Jan-May)
Tuesday 8:00- "UNTITLED 90210 SPINOFF" 9:00- Gossip Girl (New Timeslot)
Wednesday 8:00- America's Next Top Model (Sept-Nov)/ "STYLEDOME" (Jan-Feb)/ America's Next Top Model (Mar-May) 9:00- "AUSTIN GOLDEN HOUR" (Sept-Feb)/ "THE COLLECTION" (Mar-May)
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: I like the Super Luxury idea. Is that a CW pilot or something you created? Either way it is a good idea.
It's actually SuperNatural but retooled to fit the "new" new CW. Sam and Dean are no longer blue collar and the black 70's car is replace with bright flash red BMW. I figured if they keep giving the show notes on how to "improve" like adding 2 female characters and to be liter, then maybe they'd just completely retool the show.
Midseason: Everybody Hates Chris Untitled Sherry Shepherd Project Nanny Dallas or other new comedy One Tree Hill New Reailty Farmer Wants a Wife (depending on Spring '08 ratings) 13 (depending on Summer '08 ratings)
Sunday: To start off a night, you should never have encores of shows, especially at the beginning of a season. So, throw in Wrecking Ball. The next hour start a supernatural themed Sunday night starting with Supernatural at 8. Even though it is on an hour early does not mean it will lose its darkness. After Supernatural, use a script that I fell in love with last year: Ghost! It would fit in perfectly with Supernatural and sounds better than any of the CW’s pilots this year,
Monday: Launch a massive “Final Season” campaign for Smallville on a new, somewhat less competitive night. Follow it with previous partner, Reaper.
Tuesday – The CW’s baby, Gossip Girl, begins the night followed by the 90210 spin-off. Ms. Ostrof has recently said the two would make a good pair. Foreshadowing???
Wednesday – ANTM has suffered from a creative and ratings blow. Its past time for a format change. Therefore, take the American Idol road and have a phone in/text in/or online voting for your favorite Guy or Girl model. And it will be live! Sure Tyra can hype it up on her afternoon talk show. Follow this with Grey’s Anatomy/24 knock-off, Austin Golden Hour. Maybe this will help their target demo of Women 18-34 which should be expanded to try males or even older age groups. But first, more male programming.
Thursday – Its time for a change. Thursday nights’ ratings have been suffering. So, change the format completely from drama to reality and comedy AND drama! At 8, do a 30 minute result show for Top Model. At 7:30 have new episodes of #1 comedy ratings wise, The Game. Follow this with Hoe to Teach Filthy Rich Girls which could easily become a dramedy.
Friday – Unfortunately this night will have to be totally renovated. The CW shouldn’t put tons of focus on this night since it is a below average ratings night and the core of the demographic are out doing other things besides watching TV. But there will be enough people home for cheap reality such (and stupid) reality such as Styledome at 8 and The Collection at 9. The Collection as already been ordered to series so this could be a possibility.
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Originally posted by Ginger: Maybe back in the NBC days of Must-See-TV, people would watched 2 hours of comedies, but I don't think that is the case any more.
Um the CBS Monday comedy block anybody? The key problem is that Aliens into Girlfriends is downright stupid.
Originally posted by Allen: After Supernatural, use a script that I fell in love with last year: Ghost! It would fit in perfectly with Supernatural and sounds better than any of the CW’s pilots this year,
What is "Ghost"?...and how did you read the script?
It is a shame they all but forgot about Undercover. It was one of the few pilots that could break out and gain an audience of different demos. Although, as we read in the recent interviews, CW isn't looking to gain a diverse audience.
