A few weeks ago when K-Ville premiered, that premiere was the 2nd most watched network show among African American viewers. meanwhile, the K-Ville encore that week also placed in the Top10 most watched.

Now, in the most recent data release, K-Ville is not even in the Top25.

Interestingly enough, all three of the CSI series are in the Top10 for the week showing that the CSI brand remains very popular with African Americans.

Also placing in the Top10 are The Game (#5) and Girlfriends (#8), keeping CW competitive with the other networks for at least this one demo (an even more significant accomplishment when you consider that the top 2 cable shows among African Americans also air on Monday night in that timeslot: ESPN Monday Night Football and VH1's 'I Love New York'.

Unfortunately, the networks (broadcast anyway) don't appear to really care about the African American demo anymore. It was good news recently to hear that Damon Waynes was returing to ABC in a new comedy. K-Ville wasn't bad, but perhaps that timeslot is simply too difficult for it in general. Remember when UPN used to have 7 comedies featuring minority leads? The WB had at least 3 at one time too.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Remember when UPN used to have 7 comedies featuring minority leads? The WB had at least 3 at one time too.

Yes, and now the Monday CW comedy block is all that is left on network TV. Thus, its importance to advertisers proportionately outweighs its ratings.

I did notice that Aliens in America is the only one of the comedies not to make the Top25 list for African Americans. That is another good reason to flip its timeslot with Everybody Hates Chris.

I agree with you. Chris' numbers haven't been too horrible this fall and I agree that the CW needs the African American comedies. In fact, they should've brought over 6 of them to fill Sundays last fall.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Remember when UPN used to have 7 comedies featuring minority leads? The WB had at least 3 at one time too.

Yes, and now the Monday CW comedy block is all that is left on network TV. Thus, its importance to advertisers proportionately outweighs its ratings.

I did notice that Aliens in America is the only one of the comedies not to make the Top25 list for African Americans. That is another good reason to flip its timeslot with Everybody Hates Chris.

Wasn't K-ville pre-empted for baseball that Monday?

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Originally posted by SW:
Wasn't K-ville pre-empted for baseball that Monday?

K-Ville has aired originals every Monday except October 15th.

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...and the data cited is for the week of October 15-21.

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Originally posted by SW:
...and the data cited is for the week of October 15-21.

Good point, but I think the issue of K-Ville's drop among African Americans is still valid. Look at the previous week's data and you will see that K-Ville had dropped to #22. Going from 2nd to 22nd is still a big drop over just a few weeks.

Regardless of the drop among African Americans, the show has stabilized and deserves a chance in an easier timeslot.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by SW:
...and the data cited is for the week of October 15-21.

Good point, but I think the issue of K-Ville's drop among African Americans is still valid. Look at the previous week's data and you will see that K-Ville had dropped to #22. Going from 2nd to 22nd is still a big drop over just a few weeks.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Regardless of the drop among African Americans, the show has stabilized and deserves a chance in an easier timeslot.

The show 'stabalized' at a 2.0 demo. The show would need a 20% increase just to match what Journeyman did last week in the demo. If you think it 'deserves' a shot somewhere easy, put it on Friday. 6 million viewers and a 2.0 demo would put it on par with Friday Night Lights and NBC seems to think that is acceptable.

NBC is in really sad shape.

You can't compare Journeyman to K-Ville. It's a seperate situation. The fact that K-Ville could almost tie Journeyman with 30% less lead in makes your point invalid alone. Plus, as you've stated countless times, the Monday 9pm slot is one of TV's hardest if not the hardest. The fact that its holding most of the lead in that timeslot alone should buy it some time. Its not like the shows Fox has waiting in the wings is getting tons of buzz sans Sarah Connor, which they're waiting to launch with the Idol/24 momentum.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Regardless of the drop among African Americans, the show has stabilized and deserves a chance in an easier timeslot.

The show 'stabalized' at a 2.0 demo. The show would need a 20% increase just to match what Journeyman did last week in the demo. If you think it 'deserves' a shot somewhere easy, put it on Friday. 6 million viewers and a 2.0 demo would put it on par with Friday Night Lights and NBC seems to think that is acceptable.

NBC is in really sad shape.

Wow, I'm surprised that EHC isn't in the top 25....mildly surprised that ER isnt there either. They really need to move Girlfriends away from I Love New York....its really killing the show.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by SW:
...and the data cited is for the week of October 15-21.

Good point, but I think the issue of K-Ville's drop among African Americans is still valid. Look at the previous week's data and you will see that K-Ville had dropped to #22. Going from 2nd to 22nd is still a big drop over just a few weeks.

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Originally posted by SleptOn:
Wow, I'm surprised that EHC isn't in the top 25....mildly surprised that ER isnt there either. They really need to move Girlfriends away from I Love New York....its really killing the show.

EHC makes the Top25 sometimes, as does ANTM. In fact, this week (10/24 - 11/04) EHC squeeked in at #24. The Game was #8 and Girlfriends #12. K-Ville didn't make the list.

I am really surprised that VH1 puts I Love New York right in CW's prime African American timeslot. You would think that the networks being 'sort of cousins' and with CW giving VH1 so much ANTM product, that VH1 could return the favor a little and not try to split up the African American audience on Monday night.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by SleptOn:
Wow, I'm surprised that EHC isn't in the top 25....mildly surprised that ER isnt there either. They really need to move Girlfriends away from I Love New York....its really killing the show.

EHC makes the Top25 sometimes, as does ANTM. In fact, this week (10/24 - 11/04) EHC squeeked in at #24. The Game was #8 and Girlfriends #12. K-Ville didn't make the list.

I am really surprised that VH1 puts I Love New York right in CW's prime African American timeslot. You would think that the networks being 'sort of cousins' and with CW giving VH1 so much ANTM product, that VH1 could return the favor a little and not try to split up the African American audience on Monday night.

This sort of reminds me of when FOX foolishly put Bernie Mac against My Wife & Kids....don't understand why they can't air The Game (a show that is growing and has taken a very different direction in its 2nd season) after Top Model...

In the most recent Nielsen data week, I Love New York 2 was the highest rated cable program among African Americans, even better than ESPN's Monday Night Football. AA cable chart