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I'm shocked this hasn't surfaced here yet... but what are your thoughts on today's Fox executive shuffle? If Liguori-Reilly can make the same impact on Fox that they made on FX... it's welcome!

Can Reilly bring the class to Fox?
 
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In my opinion, Fox already has the same amount of class as the other networks today. They have all sorts of critically acclaimed programs. The trash in all honesty has been kept to a minimum lately. I do think though that he will help Fox continue on this trend and that some of the lower rated Fox fare will be given a better chance than before.





 
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I agree that Fox has a solid roster of hits (certainly more than NBC currently has) that will provide Kevin Reilly a better foundation on which to build.

Fox's current problem is two-pronged. First, the network has a sizable stable of aging hits. "The Simpsons", "King of the Hill", "24", "Family Guy", and even "American Idol" have all been on the air at least five seasons. The network doesn't seem to have any replacements waiting in the wings. The network will anxiously await the return of both "Idol" and "24" to see if the critical backlash and ratings dips continue.

The second issue is the reluctance of the network to move established hits to bolster struggling nights. How many times has the idea of moving "House" to Thursdays been floated on this very board? After three seasons, "House" is certainly capable of standing on its own. Is there any reason why the network seems determined to squander the plum post-"Idol" spot on an established series?

I believe that Reilly's problems at NBC will not resurface at Fox. For starters, he and new (old) boss Peter Liguori have a working relationship dating back to their days at FX. Here's hoping that Reilly works his talents at Fox after they were stiffled by Jeff Zucker at NBC.
 
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-Fox Unveils Fall 2007 Premiere Dates:
Fox has announced the following premiere dates for its fall 2007 prime time line-up (new shows are in caps). Note: No official start date has been unveiled for Friday 8 p.m. non-scripted competition The Search for the Next Great American Band.

Thursday, Aug. 30:
8:00 p.m. Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?

Saturday, Sept. 8
8:00 p.m. Cops
9:00 p.m. America’s Most Wanted

Thursday, Sept. 13
9:00 p.m. KITCHEN NIGHTMARES

Friday, Sept. 14
9:00 p.m. NASHVILLE

Monday, Sept. 17
8:00 p.m. Prison Break
9:00 p.m. K-VILLE

Wednesday, Sept. 19
8:00 p.m. BACK To YOU
8:30 p.m. ‘Til Death
9:00 p.m. Bones

Sunday, Sept. 23
8:00 p.m. The Simpsons
8:30 p.m. King of the Hill
9:00 p.m. Family Guy (one hour)

Tuesday, Sept. 25
8:00 p.m. NEW AMSTERDAM
9:00 p.m. House

Sunday, Sept. 30
9:30 p.m. American Dad


 
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You can't get around the fact that
CBS and ABC obtained depth in their
lineups by developing a genre. While
some viewers may chafe at the duplication,
it works from a biz standpoint.

The good news about FOX's best shows like
HOUSE, IDOL, and 24 is that they are very
unique, almost groundbreaking. The bad
news is that they are very difficult to
duplicate. CBS and ABC were able to
duplicate because they were tapping into
long established TV genres, just doing it
in a more contemporary way.

My guess is FOX doesn't have a clear idea
of what they want to develop, or have any
real confidence in what will work. They
may not even have a clear idea of who
their audience is, and there is some ?
in my mind if the net has a true core
audience. The low premiere numbers of
many of its shows suggest it does not.

In essence, a branding problem.

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-Fox Unveils Fall 2007 Premiere Dates:
Fox has announced the following premiere dates for its fall 2007 prime time line-up


All the reality shows premiere ahead of the scripted shows.

Note to Douglas: remind me, is 'cancellation' marked by number of episodes aired or by date cancelled. It looks like Nashville wants a headstart. Wink
 
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kinda makes you wonder- will he really move house to the 8pm slot to kill his must see tv combo at nbc? it must be terribly difficult to do so- he developed those shows!

oh and on the issue of branding- wasn't fox known as the 'edgy' network with shows like titus, married by america and temtation island?
 
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kinda makes you wonder- will he really move house to the 8pm slot to kill his must see tv combo at nbc? it must be terribly difficult to do so- he developed those shows!

oh and on the issue of branding- wasn't fox known as the 'edgy' network with shows like titus, married by america and temtation island?


Which leads us to what many people do associate Fox with--tacky reality shows. Right now, Mike Darnell's in the catbird seat with "Hell's Kitchen" and "Dance" powering the net during the summer--are he and Reilly going to get along or are the rumors true that he's moving on to Ben and Doogie at NBC?
 
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Which leads us to what many people do associate Fox with--tacky reality shows.

I think they have shaken that title. Its been a few seasons since they had a "When Animal Attack" or "Celebrity Boxing" type of show.

Right now, they may be the more successful net in programming Reality/Competition shows.


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Only good can come from this. Liguori's development has been shameful. Last fall's crop of CBS wanna-bes was truly puzzling. You know things are bad when you're on the verge of longing for the triumphant return of Queen Berman... if only because it means some great shows will be on FOX for four entire seconds before she cancels them.

The only good thing Liguori did was dial down the reality trash a notch.


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Reilly's move fans a feud
NBC-Fox rivalry ranges from exec hires to series
By MICHAEL SCHNEIDER, JOSEF ADALIAN

Kevin Reilly wants to kick NBC's ass.

The incoming Fox Entertainment prexy would never say it so bluntly -- at least in public. But given his rocky tenure at the Peacock, capped by the way he was kicked out the door over Memorial Day weekend, nobody would be surprised if Reilly wanted to inflict some pain on NBC.

Reilly's revenge would be sweet, even if it meant spanking the new shows he developed just a few months ago. "I work for Fox now, and I look forward to giving NBC a hard time," a diplomatic Reilly told Variety last week.

Oh, it's on.

Reilly's ascension to Fox adds fuel to what has already been a long-simmering rivalry between the two nets.

Even before Reilly's leap back into the ring, both NBC and Fox had already amped up the competition in recent years. And it's not just in the executive ranks. The two sides are butting heads in every area, from scripted to unscripted, sports to cable news and even on the corporate level.

Still, the NBC/Fox faceoff is mostly competitive, and not the kind of bitter feud that marked the NBC/CBS battle at its peak nearly a decade ago.

NBC and Fox's corporate parents are even partnered, in one instance, to create an online video service (currently dubbed NewCo) to rival YouTube. And both corporations have a vested interest in making sure NBC's "House" is a hit on Fox, and 20th's "My Name Is Earl" thrives on NBC.

But things are getting nastier. Just a few weeks ago, NBC made a strong play for Fox reality guru Mike Darnell, whose contract has expired. And last week, the two nets attempted to one-up the other with a pair of rival singing shows.

The karaoke craziness over "The Singing Bee" and "Don't Forget the Lyrics" is just the latest unscripted skirmish to break out between Fox and NBC. Most famously, the two nets actually went to court after NBC accused Fox of ripping off the concept behind its DreamWorks/Mark Burnett-produced boxing skein "The Contender." There were even reports of top-level execs from the two nets nearly getting into screaming matches over the matter.

This time, the competition has been much more low-key, with NBC opting to fight rather than sue.

Peacock's project was announced first last spring, but Fox surprised NBC in June by announcing a July premiere date for its singing skein. Peacock hadn't planned to put "Singing Bee" on air until fall at the earliest, but Fox's actions triggered a strong response from NBC.

"We said, 'No, we're not going to let them poison the well this time,' says an NBC insider. "We decided we needed to be a little more aggressive instead of just saying, 'Let the best man win.' "

Of course, Fox doesn't just pick on NBC when it comes to cloning. Net has infuriated ABC just as often by putting together its own takes on skeins such as "Wife Swap" and "Supernanny."

But don't be surprised if Fox and NBC clash over reality shows even more in the next year, as the Peacock figures to try even more bold new reality concepts under Ben Silverman's watch.

The competish has been just as fierce on the scripted side.

A few years ago, NBC's studio arm developed two doctor dramas. One, dubbed "Medical Investigation," ended up on the Peacock net, and got off to a decent start in the ratings. The other show ended up on Fox, and started off very slowly in the ratings.

Jeff Zucker, who was running NBC Entertainment, was asked at the time if he'd rather have the Fox medical drama. "No," he told a reporter. "We've got the right show."

As it turned out, he didn't. "Medical Investigation" quickly flatlined. Fox's show turned into a monster hit called "House."

The tale illustrates a key part of the NBC-Fox rivalry: The two nets are clearly chasing after many of the same eyeballs when it comes to scripted development.

"We do find ourselves battling for many of the same projects," says an NBC insider. "There's a definite overlap of the footprint the two networks have in demos and target audiences."

That's evidenced in both nets' fall slates. NBC has a drama about a time-traveling cop ("Journeyman"), while Fox has an hour about a cop who's timeless ("Amsterdam").

Fox's big comedy hope, "Back to You," is toplined by a longtime Peacock thesp (Kelsey Grammer), while one of new NBC chief Silverman's fave new shows is "Chuck" -- from Josh Schwartz, creator of the former Fox hit "The OC."

Meanwhile, in the sports world, Fox last fall created its own NFL postgame show, "The OT," to use opposite NBC's "Football Night in America" in an attempt to keep football fans from tuning over to NBC's primetime package of games. There's also some bad blood because of the blockbuster games the league gives NBC from Fox's NFC conference (for example, the Cowboys, Bears and Giants each appear twice on NBC in the first month of the season.)

Then there's the Reilly move. Read the press release announcing his Fox appointment closely, and it's clear the exec is sending a message to NBC and everyone about how he feels he was treated at the Peacock.

"The company has a top-down vision and the network has a collaborative environment and winning track record fostered by Peter Liguori, which I personally look forward to as a refreshing change of pace," Reilly says in the release.

Fox's hiring of the man just fired by NBC comes as the Peacock is looking to steal away Darnell, one of Fox's best and brightest. The dark prince of reality is currently being heavily courted by Silverman.

Losing Darnell would be a blow to Fox and a big get for NBC. But as of last week, Darnell was still mulling his options.

Meanwhile, several other execs have traded one home for the other in recent years. Last month, NBC U studio drama exec Laura Lancaster hopped to Fox as its new drama chief.

Preston Beckman, who headed scheduling at NBC during its glory run in the 1990s, now does the same thing at Fox. And former NBC Enterprises topper Ed Wilson jumped ship to become Fox TV Network president.

So where does this competitive frenzy come from?

In the history of television, it was NBC and CBS that traditionally duked it out for viewer supremacy. ABC finally came to play (and win) in the late 1970s, but even back then, the Alphabet was targeting a slightly different audience than the Eye and the Peacock.

That fighting spirit continued up until the late 1990s, when NBC's Warren Littlefield and CBS' Leslie Moonves would go toe-to-toe on industry panels and in the press, while other networks -- including scrappy little Fox -- looked on in amusement. (Later, Moonves and NBC's Jeff Zucker revived the rivalry.)

But then a few things happened to alter the competitive landscape: NBC lost football, something Fox had; Fox started dominating the adults 18-49 race thanks to "American Idol"; and the Peacock watched as one by one, its signature hit comedies retired.

Ten years ago, NBC was the primetime power, while Fox was the fourth-place net and still not seen as much of a threat. A decade later, their positions have flipped, as the Peacock has resided in the basement for three straight years. That reversal of fortune upset the balance between the 80-year-old NBC and the 20-year-old Fox.

Now that Fox has grown up, its audience target most closely rivals NBC's (while more femme-centric ABC and older CBS go after slightly different auds).

That has probably fueled the rising tension between both nets.

Even the corporations that own NBC and Fox have gotten into the ring, as the battle between news stars (NBC's Keith Olbermann and Fox's Bill O'Reilly) and this fall's get-the-popcorn-ready business channel cagematch prove.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117968521.html?categoryid=14&cs=1
 
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More slaps in the face towards Zucker:

“I can answer that with three letters: N-B-C. Really good cast, really good writing team, the network totally f***ed it up. You want a show to be funny? Get somebody other than Jeff Zucker and his team because they will f*** it up. There, that’s the end of my career in LA.”

-- Steven Moffat, a writer and producer on the successful BBC version—and demonized NBC version—of “Coupling.”

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/07/why_n...on_of_coupling_d.php
 
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More slaps in the face towards Zucker:


Nice. I posted this a few months ago, but since we're piling on, here it is again:

(WARNING: Beware of Zuck's ugly mug)

The Sweet Smell of Zucksess - How NBC's new honcho failed his way to the top
 
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This has all the makings of a soap opera rivalry. In fact, most of this crap is being released by press/publicity agents doing just that. They are writing a soap out for you all and pretending it is real...and you guys are eating it up by the shovel load.
 
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...and you guys are eating it up by the shovel load.


So?
 
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