Originally posted by Zitrone: ABC doesn't need to do that much changes; they are just badly affected by the strike.
They might think to move DH into GA's slot to anchor Thursday. Move DSM after DH with a Thursday line up of UG-DH-DSM.
What would they gain by moving DH into Grey's slot? They have practically identical ratings, I don't see how DH could make Thursdays stronger unless it was in addition to (instead of in place of) Grey's. And they're not about to do that.
Originally posted by Zitrone: ABC doesn't need to do that much changes; they are just badly affected by the strike.
They might think to move DH into GA's slot to anchor Thursday. Move DSM after DH with a Thursday line up of UG-DH-DSM.
Do you think ABC is going to base what they renew next season only on ratings alone? Everything has been down on ABC since Dec. I think ABC will consider on the fence shows for renewal based on other things such as !tune sales and cost per episode. Especially since alot of the on the fence shows are doing so poorly right now, it is hard to get an accurate gage on how some on the fence shows would do during a typical season without the strike. Plus, from what it sounds like here there is not a lot in development and this will be the case if the strike doesn't end soon. Just a thought.
Good point. ABC also pays attention to their online viewings as they are the only network that gets a substantial amount of viewers to tune into their online telecasts. Not to mention, theirs is probably the best of all the networks with CBS's God awful innertube the worst of the bunch. I always make sure to tape CBS shows because I never know if that piece will work or not for me the next day. Fox has a pretty reliable player as does CW and NBC.
Originally posted by RussTC3: I think ABC should move Grey's to 10PM.
No show works out of Grey's, NO show.
And use what to anchor the night? The problem with ABC's Thursday 10pm has been shows that are either incompatible with the fickle Greys audience and/or crappy shows.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Omarosa 'more popular' than Gene??? 'More popular' than anyone else on the Celebrity Apprentice???
For people watching The Apprentice, I believe more of them know who Omarosa is than know who Gene Simmons is. It might be a sad thought for you or sad commentary on society in general, but that is the nature of Reality TV show stardom.
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She may have been popular in the regular edition, but it is the celebrities that are king of this edition, and they got rid of the "God of Thunder"
Originally posted by Holly: Your "snake and mirrors" comment seemed to imply that you thought Supernatural would compare badly to OTH, but it doesn't.
Smoke and mirrors because the Supernatural fans were trying to focus all the attention on a meaningless comparison instead of anything real. Crowned, like Pussycat Dolls, is cheap filler programming during repeat season. It isn't in competition with Supernatural ion any level.
Originally posted by Holly: I haven't been watching Supernatural this season, and I'm not a huge fan, but ratings-wise, OTH isn't exactly crushing it.
I didn't say anything abour 'crushing' or even 'beating'. I just wondered why the Supernatural fans would actually feel the need to brag about their show beating Crowned.
For a couple reasons.
1. Many here want to see Reality shows do very poorly, even more so then usual thanks to the strike. Thats why you often see people point out how bad crowned has done, against pretty much anything.
and with it already being a failure in the eyes of almost everyone who post of this board, you don't bring up that Smallville beat it. After al Smallville is consistently CW strongest repeater.
But Supernatural isn't. WHile it reruns better then most on the CW it isn't always 2nd. So you point out for that night their weakest show beat Crowned.
2. Then if you are a specific fan of the show you typically want to point out any time it does well (and thats true for pretty much any show). And based on these numbers SN did really well, better then most of its repeats. So you want to mention they did well, then you want to mention how it fared against original episodes because beating original runs sounds so much better then do better then any other rerun besides Smallville.
Originally posted by mswood: 1. Many here want to see Reality shows do very poorly, even more so then usual thanks to the strike. Thats why you often see people point out how bad crowned has done, against pretty much anything.
If you have something against reality you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.
Originally posted by mswood: 1. Many here want to see Reality shows do very poorly, even more so then usual thanks to the strike. Thats why you often see people point out how bad crowned has done, against pretty much anything.
If you have something against reality you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.
I personally am very excited to see some great reality shows coming up here in the next few months. I'm tired of the scripted stuff the writers have been giving us out of their trash bins the past 2 seasons and a good reality show is much more entertaining than the majority of the new scripted shows this year. Big Brother, Paradise Hotel, the Mole, Puddy Catt Dolls (with the sound on mute), and gameshows like 5th Grader and DFTL are all good options and certainly better options than the likes of Big Shots, Cane, Bionic Woman, K-Ville, and others.
Obveeus, you and I both know Supernatural fans love nothing more than to prop up their show by looking down on other programs. The fact that Reaper's premiere encore did just 500,000 viewers less than the Supernatural premiere from this fall has had them bashing that show from the beginning. Then when Reaper started to fall because of poor lead ins and tough competition, they laid it on the show as a goner. If my predictions are correct and Reaper does indeed pull as good of numbers as Supernatural after Smallville in late February, then I'm guessing the attacks will only increase on other marginal players like Crowned that have nothing to do with Supernatural returning or not.
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Originally posted by Holly: Your "snake and mirrors" comment seemed to imply that you thought Supernatural would compare badly to OTH, but it doesn't.
Smoke and mirrors because the Supernatural fans were trying to focus all the attention on a meaningless comparison instead of anything real. Crowned, like Pussycat Dolls, is cheap filler programming during repeat season. It isn't in competition with Supernatural ion any level.
Originally posted by Obveeus: If you have something against reality you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.
First of all, I don't know if it was even an SPN fan who made the comment about repeats of bothSupernaturalandSmallville beating a first run of Crowned. And I didn't see the comment being about those two shows as much as it was about the wackiness of the CW renewing Crowned for another season when reruns of other shows on the network can beat it.
Secondly, I got nothing against reality shows. There are some good ones and, if they are what people want to watch, so be it. So I have nothing against reality shows in general (I really like Carson Kressley's other reality show) or Crowned in particular.
But Crowned is really doing badly. Filler, shmiller, its ratings suck. I don't care how cheap it is, the CW could probably do better with a show just as cheap. In fact, I don't think they've ever had a reality show do that badly. So renewing that show made no sense.
Originally posted by Obveeus: If you have something against reality you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.
First of all, I don't know if it was even an SPN fan who made the comment about repeats of bothSupernaturalandSmallville beating a first run of Crowned. And I didn't see the comment being about those two shows as much as it was about the wackiness of the CW renewing Crowned for another season when reruns of other shows on the network can beat it.
Secondly, I got nothing against reality shows. There are some good ones and, if they are what people want to watch, so be it. So I have nothing against reality shows in general (I really like Carson Kressley's other reality show) or Crowned in particular.
But Crowned is really doing badly. Filler, shmiller, its ratings suck. I don't care how cheap it is, the CW could probably do better with a show just as cheap. In fact, I don't think they've ever had a reality show do that badly. So renewing that show made no sense.
I think this is a good statement here. Crowned is a poor show and the fact that is was supposedly renewed does not mean good things for the CW. However, it doesn't matter how the repeats of shows do compared to others. It matters whether or not the network is making sufficient amounts of money off a show. A repeat of Reba yet today on Sundays at 7:30 would probably beat all 3, but the show was no longer profitable and the CW didn't care about making it that way so they let it go. That's just how it works.
I think the reason that Gene got sent home was because he had reached an agreed upon number of episodes. I'm sure he only agreed to do the show with a limited time commitment based upon what he thought was best to promote family jewels.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Omarosa 'more popular' than Gene??? 'More popular' than anyone else on the Celebrity Apprentice???
For people watching The Apprentice, I believe more of them know who Omarosa is than know who Gene Simmons is. It might be a sad thought for you or sad commentary on society in general, but that is the nature of Reality TV show stardom.
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She may have been popular in the regular edition, but it is the celebrities that are king of this edition, and they got rid of the "God of Thunder"
I didn't know Thor was on the show.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: I personally am very excited to see some great reality shows coming up here in the next few months. I'm tired of the scripted stuff the writers have been giving us out of their trash bins the past 2 seasons and a good reality show is much more entertaining than the majority of the new scripted shows this year. Big Brother, Paradise Hotel, the Mole, Puddy Catt Dolls (with the sound on mute), and gameshows like 5th Grader and DFTL are all good options and certainly better options than the likes of Big Shots, Cane, Bionic Woman, K-Ville, and others.
Some Reality TV is good: Survivor, America's Next Top Model, and The Amazing Race, for example. I can't say I feel the same way about any of the ones you mentioned above, though.
As for Crowned: it has not been renewed for another season. Casting calls do not equal renewal. CW probably needs to see how bad Pussycat Dolls does before they decide which one of the two will be back as junk/filler next season. If I had my way, B&tG would get relegated back to that role and Crowned/Dolls would both be gone. CW needds to understand that reality TV isn't going to develop into a mega audience so they might as well keep randomly rolling the dice until they hit on something good. Bring on Farmer Wants a Wife as the next dating attempt show. Bring on a gameshow. Bring on a reality knockoff of singing, cooking, dancing, or home remodelling. The point with something like Crowned is that it is doing so poorly that anything new will do as well. There is no reason to hesitate trying something else new.
Originally posted by mswood: 1. Many here want to see Reality shows do very poorly, even more so then usual thanks to the strike. Thats why you often see people point out how bad crowned has done, against pretty much anything.
If you have something against reality you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.
And ideally what is wrong with repeats airing?
Obviously people want the shows they like to do so well that it is financial wise to run them during reruns because they generate enough revenue to better what "filler programing" would generate.
And yes every show is in competition with any "filler programming". After all every slot is a try out in the market to see what the public likes (for what ever reasons) and what it doesn't. Every single one of them has the potential of doing well enough to take over one of the "regular timeslot".
Nor, by the way am I anti reality programming. As my 2nd favorite show is the Amazing Race. And I will certainly crow about any and all success it has enjoyed.
Just like everyone else, I have my likes and dislikes and I want things I like to do better and things I dislike to go away.
I love some scripted shows, I love some reality shows and its true of almost all mediums of television (though I really have never cared for game shows) and I have a serious dislike of all comedies on tv for the last couple years. But thats just the last few years, over the decades there have been many I loved.
you need to attack the reality shows that are taking up the space that should be devoted to first run scripted series. Pick on B&tG since it took up a regular timeslot on CW this fall. On the other hand, picking on Crowned or Pussycat Dolls is pointless as they are slotted in as filler between the normal seasonal runs for shows. If Reality didn't exist, these timeslots would just be devoted to scripted repeats.