Originally posted by StopAnimalAbuse: Marc what do you think of the survival chances for The Mentalist on CBS ? Are the initial ratings/demos a good sign or do you think it will start failing against AI ?
I'm not Marc, but...
The premiere numbers for The Mentalist are very good. It will be one of the highest premiering new show this year (in viewers) and held almost all of the demo lead-in from NCIS. That said, it is far too early to say how it will perform in November, much less in the spring against Idol.
ABC: DWtS is back again to prop up this network through the Fall. Opportunity Knocks shoukld be cancelled right now. I mean now...today...before another episode airs. Anyone that picked that show in the cancellation pool is a genius.
FOX: House Fans must not like the change in team/cast. This show better hope this is simply a flat drop rather than the start of a death spiral. Fringe down 3+million viewers and nearly a point in the demo. This show is going to follow the path of Bionic Woman.
CBS: NCIS is doing great. The Mentalist...yuck, you people...every last person that thinks Simon Baker is a good actor...yuck. Without a Trace Final season as the demo number is just not worth it.
NBC: Utility player, The Biggest Loser will run all season and get renewed, but the ratings are just treading water on the cheap for NBC. L&O: SVU Significant ratings drop from last year should have NBC's #1 show concerned. I think it will recover when Dancing goes away, though.
CW: Good demo for 90210, but Gossip Girl is the more important show going forward for this network's promotion budget. Meanwhile, CW better hope that the ad guys were correct in choosing Stylista to outperform 90210. Privileged hasn't captured the wholesome family type viewers of Gilmore Girls or 7th heaven, but CW needs to leave it on air for the full 13 episodes. The last thing they need is to start airing more encores rather than offering original programming. Hold Reaper for some sort of Thursday pairing with one of those two Thursday shows or even pair Reaper with 13: Fear is Real on Friday, but don't burn off either show as a 90210 leadout.
Originally posted by weaklink75: And besides, the presidential debates will be part of the world's most watched reality show for the next 6 weeks....
Maybe it will be the world's most watched reality show, but here in the USA we prefer to watch amateur singing competitions. Unless Biden and Palin break out in song, we aren't going to 'Idol'-ize them.
Originally posted by metal: I don't get why there is so much comparisson between X-files and Fringe. Sure, they deal with similar themes, but so did countless other shows. I think the two are completelly different in feel, look, character dynamics, dialogue, storytelling... I'm not a big fan of either show, but they're still mildly enjoyable. Acting wise though, I think Torv is much better than Anderson, while Duchovny kicks Jackson's ass.
Beacuase Fringe is a X-Files remake. I truly don't see any major difference
I picked it as #2 in the cancellation game because it looked bad even in the previews. No way it would work on Tuesday. Maybe a Friday show, but not Tuesday.
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Originally posted by Obveeus: Opportunity Knocks shoukld be cancelled right now. I mean now...today...before another episode airs.
Beacuase Fringe is a X-Files remake. I truly don't see any major difference
No skeptic/believer dynamic, where one investigator keeps insisting nothing weird is happening, even though we can all SEE something weird is happening.
No aliens.
No mutant monsters (so far, anyway).
No supernatural/demonic menaces.
They laid out all the key players in the pilot, whereas nearly all the major characters other than Mulder and Scully were introduced much later on.
There are three primary investigators (four, if you count Astrid). It's an ensemble show, not a two-lead show.
And again, there were a whole bunch of "A man and a woman investigate weird cases and one is a skeptic and the other is a believer" shows before The X-Files. Just because your TV memories don't go back very far doesn't mean those shows don't exist, robert. It means you don't know very much.
I don't get why there is so much comparisson between X-files and Fringe. Sure, they deal with similar themes, but so did countless other shows. I think the two are completelly different in feel, look, character dynamics, dialogue, storytelling...
I wouldn't agree with that either--the influence is quite obvious, but they are clearly trying to avoid the problems inherent with The X-Files' approach to the Paranormal Investigation genre, which ultimately led to its decline. Whether they have the talent to pull this off remains undetermined. But I'd much rather watch the first few eps of Fringe than the last 100 eps of The X-Files. And that's being pretty kind to The X-Files.
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I'm not a big fan of either show, but they're still mildly enjoyable. Acting wise though, I think Torv is much better than Anderson, while Duchovny kicks Jackson's ass.
Actually, in terms of acting, none of them are any great shakes. Duchovny's character was very well written for a while there, and always got to be right, and you can't entirely separate the quality of the script from the performance.
Lance Reddick is a better actor than Duchovny and Anderson and Mitch Pileggi combined. And yes, Broyles clearly is a Skinner clone--and already far more interesting than Skinner ever was.
I think Fringe was quite decieving for many. Immediately after the series was announced i was sure this is going to be the new X-Files but somehow in the media they didn't mention it at all. I red articles in which Fringe was compared with Alias, Lost and even House but few mentioned X-Files. I guess many were surpised to see this is actually the X-files of the new millenium.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: Can NCIS please stop being called "underrated"? That label makes no sense, especially when it slaughters its timeslot (at least in viewers).
90210 is already/interestingly below 3 million viewers... yet its A18-49 is higher than Gossip Girl's from this week. I'm interested to see the younger demos... will post when I get the A18-34.
Thank you Travis. I have been saying for this for as long as this forum has been up. Underrated would mean a good show that not enough people watch (such as The Office). NCIS is actually "overrated", a bad show that too many people watch. I guess Mark just does not know the meaning of underrated...
Immediately after the series was announced i was sure this is going to be the new X-Files but somehow in the media they didn't mention it at all.
Yeah, and you know why? The X-Files isn't popular anymore. Which is why that X-Files movie grossed less than 21 million dollars in North America.
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I red articles in which Fringe was compared with Alias, Lost and even House
Stylistically speaking, it actually is closer to those shows, and gee--why would they compare Fringe to two JJ Abrams series?
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but few mentioned X-Files. I guess many were surpised to see this is actually the X-files of the new millenium.
robert, isn't it a MITE presumptious to talk about a silly TV show in terms of a THOUSAND YEARS? Nobody will remember The X-Files by the end of this century.
Truer to say The X-Files was the Night Stalker of the 90's.
Fringe needs to last at least three or four seasons to even be the X-Files of the '00s--but The X-Files itself is stuck in the 90's forever.
Immediately after the series was announced i was sure this is going to be the new X-Files but somehow in the media they didn't mention it at all.
Yeah, and you know why? The X-Files isn't popular anymore. Which is why that X-Files movie grossed less than 21 million dollars in North America.
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I red articles in which Fringe was compared with Alias, Lost and even House
Stylistically speaking, it actually is closer to those shows, and gee--why would they compare Fringe to two JJ Abrams series?
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but few mentioned X-Files. I guess many were surpised to see this is actually the X-files of the new millenium.
robert, isn't it a MITE presumptious to talk about a silly TV show in terms of a THOUSAND YEARS? Nobody will remember The X-Files by the end of this century.
Truer to say The X-Files was the Night Stalker of the 90's.
Fringe needs to last at least three or four seasons to even be the X-Files of the '00s--but The X-Files itself is stuck in the 90's forever.
First of all try to understand the typos. Please. It happens Now , on to serious business do you really think the X-Files isn't still a well-known show? Do you really think more people know about Alias than about X-Files?
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Yes, but I am the only one writing about it, aren't I?
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: Can NCIS please stop being called "underrated"? That label makes no sense, especially when it slaughters its timeslot (at least in viewers).
Since when did "underrated" mean no buzz, or something that is not written about?
Underrated is something that in someones view is better than most people think it is. Well, obviously based on its ratings NCIS is not underrated, because a ton of people watch it. In my view The Office is underrated. A show that I think is great, but most don't give at a chance or agree.
