Originally posted by KSO: Not if those pre-tune in fans watch American Idol. Which considering Grey's demo it's possible they do.
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Originally posted by horse_horror:
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Originally posted by horse_horror: ABC is in even more trouble next week at 8pm. If they thought Ugly Betty's performance was bad wait until they see Samantha Who? OUCH!
Marc is correct that debuting the sitcoms against American Idol next week is going to really hurt them. On the other hand, without Survivor on, I will at least sample In the Motherhood.
Samantha Who? is going to fail there anyways but In the Motherhood has a chance as it should samplings for the first two weeks.
Same thing is going to happen to Surviving Suburbia's debut when it goes against the NCAA Basketball Championship Game and Rules of Engagement in that time period.
For In the Motherhood and Surviving Suburbia, I think were going to have to wait until after the second episode to really judge how both shows are doing in the ratings.
I might watch In the Motherhood, not sure though.
Samantha Who will have better results than In the Motherhood simply because it leads into Grey's Anatomy and it will receive pre-tune in from GA fans. In the Motherhood, unfortunately, will be doa.
Let's forget about AI next week for a sec and look at their regular ratings.
I think SW is very lead-in dependent so if In the Motherhood gets ratings similar to what Ugly Betty got last night it will probably do the same or a little worse. I think it will get some of that Grey's audience but not too much where it will get over 8 million viewers.
SW is very pathetic because its been out over a year now and its supposed to be one leading the hour with a new show trying to build out of its ratings. For SW to still be trying to steal the previous half-hour's ratings that just means this show is never going to work and without DWtS on a regular basis for the first time its going to get exposed big time for the real ratings player its not.
I'm not just seeing any real positives about SW's ratings except that it is very lead-in and lead-out dependent.
ABC's ratings at 8pm on Thursdays will be dependent on how much sampling they'll get those first two weeks from In the Motherhood.
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Well nice to see that Supernatural continues in season long streak of year to year improvement.Versus same week last year (Reaper, SN was pulled from tehe schedule) 2.95 million 1.2 in adults, they also got a .8 in the 18-34 that week.Versus 3rd week of February Sweeps last year 2.94 1.2Versus episode #16 (same episode count) 2.93 1.2.No other Thursday show is up week versus week every original episode.
Ignoring the AI problem for a minute, I don't think the bar of success for either of the ABC sitcoms taking Betty's place is that high, especially in the all-important demo. If they can't beat Betty's plummetting demo, then they are surely goners. But if they can at least match it, which isn't really that tough, they might stick around.
All of which goes to show you how far and how fast netowrk television is falling. To even think that a demo slightly above a two might be enough to survive would have been inconceivable even two years ago. But that seems to be enough these days.
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Originally posted by Zedman2: Samantha Who will have better results than In the Motherhood simply because it leads into Grey's Anatomy and it will receive pre-tune in from GA fans. In the Motherhood, unfortunately, will be doa.
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Originally posted by horse_horror: Why do people keep bringing up Kings. That show is dead and is never going to work.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Kings will never work, but I have some hope for Southland. It reminds me of Hill Street Blues.
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Originally posted by KSO: NBC should not cancel My Name is Earl yet. They are not full of hits to replace it with.
I don't expect Southland to do any better than ER.NBC should test out Kings in that slot.
Was there a Greys Anatomy over run to make Practice's #'s hit double digits? I expect that to go down with the finals if that happened. Ugly Betty needs to be done. ABC should cancel it after next season. Give them closure time to wrap it all up.
I loved Hill Street Blues back in the day and those were good times on NBC Thursdays early Must See TV days with Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, and a random comedy trying to make it but gets canceled quick leading into Hill Street Blues then L.A. Law.
I hope Southland succeeds and it should since it won't have any procedural to go against. CBS will be airing Harper's Island and I don't think its going to do any better than Swingtown.
If Southland succeeds then I want NBC to redo their whole Thursday Night lineup and get it to reminiscence the early days of Must See TV back in the early to mid 80s. Get some multi-camers going before Southland but with Jay coming next year that's going to mess everything up.
You really think Harper's Island will only get 5-6 million on Thursdays like Swingtown? I think Harper's Island will do very well for them. I also think it'll seriously put Eleventh Hour near cancellation. But since it's only a miniseries, and isn't looking at anything past these 13 episodes, it'll be a fun little experiment, but that's all. I like the previews for it, and I'm always up for a good mystery show, so I'll definitely be tuning into it.
Southland looks really good, though, too. In fact, it looked so good, I couldn't believe it was actually going to be airing on NBC. I'll have to DVR it most likely, but if it can get the 7-8 million ER has been getting for the majority of the season, it'll probably get a guaranteed second season. NBC seems keen on this show so far, and I think it has a great chance to do well, especially since the ER finale will warm up the slot for it.
Ugly Betty is still doing decent numbers, but definitely should be better. I agree that ABC needs to push back the comedies until 2 weeks, because airing against Idol, they'll likely get the same ratings Scrubs/Ted got on Tuesday, and if ABC is trying to build a nice comedy block, Idol won't be helping it out any. Meanwhile, Grey's/Private Practice has turned out to be a nice little duo on Thursdays.
Bones was up a bit last night, above 10 million finally on Thursdays. Hell's Kitchen is holding pretty strong this season, and still does a great demo for FOX. I'm just sick of seeing Bones constantly preempted.
Well nice to see that Supernatural continues in season long streak of year to year improvement.Versus same week last year (Reaper, SN was pulled from tehe schedule) 2.95 million 1.2 in adults, they also got a .8 in the 18-34 that week.Versus 3rd week of February Sweeps last year 2.94 1.2Versus episode #16 (same episode count) 2.93 1.2.No other Thursday show is up week versus week every original episode.
And versus when it was good?
Well thats quite subjective, and I thought last nights episode was quite good. But I good easily pullup the ratings for the various episodes in the last 4 seasons for episodes I found to be of good quality. And it still fairs well in comparison, except for the few episodes I found to be good that aired 4 years ago after Gilmore Girls.
I hope if Southland performs well for NBC which it should initially at least or better than Kings that NBC can transform their whole Thursday Night lineup back to the look of Early Must See TV days back in the early to mid 80s.
Here's a suggestion for NBC to try to get their network out of 4th place in the next five years with or without Jay in prime time and take back Thursday Nights.
NBC THU 1984-85 8-Cosby 8:30-Family Ties 9-Cheers 9:30-Night Court 10-Hill Street Blues
NBC THU 1996-97 8-Friends 8:30-The Single Guy 9-Seinfeld 9:30-Suddenly Susan 10-ER
NBC TUE 2009-10 (w Jay) 8-The Biggest Loser 9:30-The Office/30 Rock (good demo lead-in for Jay) 10-Jay Leno
NBC THU 2009-10 (w Jay) 8-SouthLAnd (or move to Mondays where no CBS procedurals are) 9-New multi-cam comedies (good lead-in for Jay) 10-Jay Leno
Originally posted by mik: [QUOTE]Well nice to see that Supernatural continues in season long streak of year to year improvement.Versus same week last year (Reaper, SN was pulled from tehe schedule) 2.95 million 1.2 in adults, they also got a .8 in the 18-34 that week.Versus 3rd week of February Sweeps last year 2.94 1.2Versus episode #16 (same episode count) 2.93 1.2.No other Thursday show is up week versus week every original episode.
And versus when it was good?
Supernatural is so much better now than it was during its first season that it's almost sad. This current storyline is aces. It's not that I don't like monsters of the week, but a constant diet of that gets so very dull. It's gonna be an emotional payoff times ten when Dean finally picks himself up. Christopher Heyerdahl singing, "Dancing cheek to cheek" when Dean was coming in to torture him was classic. Ben Edlund's such a weirdo.
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I'm really excited about Southland because it stars The OC's Ben McKenzie, but I wish they had used the ER finale to boost the show or something. How does everyone feel about a Thursday Chuck, Heroes, Southland lineup?
Anyways, is there any place to see Idol airings online?
I agree with Marc that Kings will never fly here (or anywhere on broadcast TV). Kings should have been sold to Showtime or HBO. Imagine if Chase has sold Fox on The Sopranos? Watered down to network standards, it probably would have been 13 and gone.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Kings will never work, but I have some hope for Southland. It reminds me of Hill Street Blues.
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Originally posted by KSO: NBC should not cancel My Name is Earl yet. They are not full of hits to replace it with.
I don't expect Southland to do any better than ER.NBC should test out Kings in that slot.
Was there a Greys Anatomy over run to make Practice's #'s hit double digits? I expect that to go down with the finals if that happened. Ugly Betty needs to be done. ABC should cancel it after next season. Give them closure time to wrap it all up.
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Originally posted by BlueLick: I hope if Southland performs well for NBC which it should initially at least or better than Kings that NBC can transform their whole Thursday Night lineup back to the look of Early Must See TV days back in the early to mid 80s.
Here's a suggestion for NBC to try to get their network out of 4th place in the next five years with or without Jay in prime time and take back Thursday Nights.
NBC THU 1984-85 8-Cosby 8:30-Family Ties 9-Cheers 9:30-Night Court 10-Hill Street Blues
NBC THU 1996-97 8-Friends 8:30-The Single Guy 9-Seinfeld 9:30-Suddenly Susan 10-ER
NBC TUE 2009-10 (w Jay) 8-The Biggest Loser 9:30-The Office/30 Rock (good demo lead-in for Jay) 10-Jay Leno
NBC THU 2009-10 (w Jay) 8-SouthLAnd (or move to Mondays where no CBS procedurals are) 9-New multi-cam comedies (good lead-in for Jay) 10-Jay Leno
Can't really add Parks & Recreation just yet since it hasn't debut yet.
Damn! Bluelick I just realized how much I missed the old NBC when you posted those two schedules.
I like your idea of having Southland away from the CBS procedurals since its working for FOX at 8pm right now. I think its time NBC bring those multi-cams back and develop their Thursday lineup around them. I think Thursdays are up for the taking when Grey's grows weaker and weaker every year with CSI as the only real competition.
The Office and 30 Rock along with P&R will benefit from the Biggest Loser audience most definitely.
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Originally posted by horse_horror: Why do people keep bringing up Kings. That show is dead and is never going to work.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Kings will never work, but I have some hope for Southland. It reminds me of Hill Street Blues.
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Originally posted by KSO: NBC should not cancel My Name is Earl yet. They are not full of hits to replace it with.
I don't expect Southland to do any better than ER.NBC should test out Kings in that slot.
Was there a Greys Anatomy over run to make Practice's #'s hit double digits? I expect that to go down with the finals if that happened. Ugly Betty needs to be done. ABC should cancel it after next season. Give them closure time to wrap it all up.
I loved Hill Street Blues back in the day and those were good times on NBC Thursdays early Must See TV days with Cosby, Family Ties, Cheers, and a random comedy trying to make it but gets canceled quick leading into Hill Street Blues then L.A. Law.
I hope Southland succeeds and it should since it won't have any procedural to go against. CBS will be airing Harper's Island and I don't think its going to do any better than Swingtown.
If Southland succeeds then I want NBC to redo their whole Thursday Night lineup and get it to reminiscence the early days of Must See TV back in the early to mid 80s. Get some multi-camers going before Southland but with Jay coming next year that's going to mess everything up.
You really think Harper's Island will only get 5-6 million on Thursdays like Swingtown? I think Harper's Island will do very well for them. I also think it'll seriously put Eleventh Hour near cancellation. But since it's only a miniseries, and isn't looking at anything past these 13 episodes, it'll be a fun little experiment, but that's all. I like the previews for it, and I'm always up for a good mystery show, so I'll definitely be tuning into it.
Southland looks really good, though, too. In fact, it looked so good, I couldn't believe it was actually going to be airing on NBC. I'll have to DVR it most likely, but if it can get the 7-8 million ER has been getting for the majority of the season, it'll probably get a guaranteed second season. NBC seems keen on this show so far, and I think it has a great chance to do well, especially since the ER finale will warm up the slot for it.
Ugly Betty is still doing decent numbers, but definitely should be better. I agree that ABC needs to push back the comedies until 2 weeks, because airing against Idol, they'll likely get the same ratings Scrubs/Ted got on Tuesday, and if ABC is trying to build a nice comedy block, Idol won't be helping it out any. Meanwhile, Grey's/Private Practice has turned out to be a nice little duo on Thursdays.
Bones was up a bit last night, above 10 million finally on Thursdays. Hell's Kitchen is holding pretty strong this season, and still does a great demo for FOX. I'm just sick of seeing Bones constantly preempted.
I think Harper's Island will do numbers like Swingtown did when it premiered around 7-9 million viewers a week but it could be a surprise and be the next Survivor or something.
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Originally posted by filmkr27: I'm really excited about Southland because it stars The OC's Ben McKenzie, but I wish they had used the ER finale to boost the show or something. How does everyone feel about a Thursday Chuck, Heroes, Southland lineup?
Anyways, is there any place to see Idol airings online?
I'm really feeling Southland and I can't believe its actually on NBC. Ben McKenzie was great on The OC so it should do fine with him as the lead.
I think the Chuck/Heroes/Southland lineup is interesting as its better than the NBC comedies they have on right now but Heroes is dead in the water for me. How about Wednesdays or Fridays with Knight Rider?
The Chuck/Heroes combo will have to move away from Monday so that Southland and SVU can takeover on Mondays away from CBS procedurals as Bluelick mentioned.
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Thank you ABC has many more holes to fill than UGLY BETTY.
Tey should not cancel UGLY BETTY.
Wait till you see next week like horse_horror said. SW and ITM are gonna be DESTROYED. I can't wait to see it and laugh out in joy. Oh PLEASE PLEASE all you American Idol fans tune in this Thursday at 8pm for American Idol on FOX.
This is is gonna be sickeninnnnnnnnnnnnng!!!!!
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Bones was a amazing episode last night. The end was so good.I really like booth. But I like Breenon better.It is the only show that i have never missed a episode.
