Originally posted by adamthfc: it seems about 1 million (ish) adults 18-49 tune out of Lost when it airs against Idol, this is probably because they know they can get it elsewhere, or maybe just because (as someone pointed out to me when i commented before) they get 'over ruled' by the rest of the household and are forced to record it and watch it later. But all in all the ratings actually seem pretty solid for Lost nowadays compared to the wild fluctuations it has suffered from in previous years. I know some of you will say 'solid but low' and whilst this is the case compared to ratings for the show from 2 or 3 years ago, a 'bottom line' core audience of 10 million really is not that bad when you consider Losts constant shifts around the schedual's, the long hiatus's and the heavily serialised nature of the show
Has anybody calculated how many A18-49s 'American Idol' loses when it goes up against 'Lost'. My sense is that AI loses more, which means that FOX suffers a greater revenue loss than ABC by going head-to-head with 'Lost'.
Throughout AI's history on Wednesdays, 'Lost' is the only program that is capable of taking AI down a notch or two in numbers.
I believe Dancing With The Stars has taken it down a few more notches in the past.
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Originally posted by adamthfc: it seems about 1 million (ish) adults 18-49 tune out of Lost when it airs against Idol, this is probably because they know they can get it elsewhere, or maybe just because (as someone pointed out to me when i commented before) they get 'over ruled' by the rest of the household and are forced to record it and watch it later. But all in all the ratings actually seem pretty solid for Lost nowadays compared to the wild fluctuations it has suffered from in previous years. I know some of you will say 'solid but low' and whilst this is the case compared to ratings for the show from 2 or 3 years ago, a 'bottom line' core audience of 10 million really is not that bad when you consider Losts constant shifts around the schedual's, the long hiatus's and the heavily serialised nature of the show
Has anybody calculated how many A18-49s 'American Idol' loses when it goes up against 'Lost'. My sense is that AI loses more, which means that FOX suffers a greater revenue loss than ABC by going head-to-head with 'Lost'.
Throughout AI's history on Wednesdays, 'Lost' is the only program that is capable of taking AI down a notch or two in numbers.
Lost (66 minutes) - 10.050 million viewers - 5.9/9 HH - 4.4/11 A18-49
Lost may have good, solid demo but with little over 10Millions viewers with 5.9/9hh abc must be dissapointed.
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Old Christine (R) - 5.602 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.5/4 A18-49
Gary Unmarried (R) - 5.706 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.6/4 A18-49
Those numbers are simply not good. I know that Christine and Gary are going against AI but but they should have better numbers. I really hope CBS will put a new drama there next season, only those type of shows do well for CBS against AI.
I like the idea of actually moving The Unusuals to the 8pm hour. There's no procedurals there and it shouldn't be affected that much by Idol. If ABC wants this show to succeed they would not leave it there in that 10pm hour. I think Lost should move back to 10pm also b/c there's too much going on in that 9pm hour. That 10pm hour holds two other procedurals L&O and NY and there's not enough room for a third crime drama to hold a place there to get decent ratings. That's honestly why Life on Mars has failed there.
ABC procedurals are more like Bones on FOX. They can play in that early 8pm hour unlike CBS which gets a boost in the 10pm hour. This is where ABC has made the mistake in recent years with their crime dramas and have not had a successful one since NYPD Blue.
Women's Murder Club actually worked for the network on Fridays b/c it didn't go against another CBS procedural instead it was Moonlight. Castle is guaranteed to have the same problems against Miami even with the bump. Same thing happened to WMC when they tried to get a boost out of Grey's and DWtS but the problem was they always went against another CBS procedural.
In my opinion ABC better wake up and move Castle and The Unusuals to earlier slots b/c I guarantee they will fail in their current slots. Its a shame b/c both shows look very watchable.
Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
Lost (66 minutes) - 10.050 million viewers - 5.9/9 HH - 4.4/11 A18-49
Lost may have good, solid demo but with little over 10Millions viewers with 5.9/9hh abc must be dissapointed.
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Old Christine (R) - 5.602 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.5/4 A18-49
Gary Unmarried (R) - 5.706 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.6/4 A18-49
Those numbers are simply not good. I know that Christine and Gary are going against AI but but they should have better numbers. I really hope CBS will put a new drama there next season, only those type of shows do well for CBS against AI.
Again, a good, solid performance for CM both in the demo and viewers. CM is very steady this year.
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CSI: NY - 12.563 million viewers - 8.1/14 HH - 3.1/8 A18-49
I am getting dissapointed by CSI:NY numbers and episodes quality. The numbers should be closer to CM with so little competition at 10h00pm.
Demos I agree, I feel that Lost will benefit more if they move it to 10pm b/c there's just too much going on there at 9pm.
Old Christine and Gary are doing the best that they can do in a slot where nothing is giving them a bump. I think CBS is eventually going to have to start giving Gary a boost out of Men. I don't mean just one week either when its a repeat but a whole quarter full of new episodes. I agree that CBS should simply move a procedural there next season but that depends if CBS is losing dollars in this slot. If they keep this slot next season then one of their stronger players like How I Met Your Mother or Rules is going to have to lead that block.
CM as usual is a strong player against Idol and demos to viewers ratio is a tad bit better than NCIS.
NY is actually doing very well there and it fits like a glove out of CM. The problem for NY is that its going against two other procedurals (Law and Order & Life on Mars). Remember this procedural vs procedural will trim the ratings down for those kind of shows b/c it splits the audience. When L&O is there, NY tends to struggle a bit but when L&O is not there NY gets around 14-16 million viewers. When Leno moves in there you're going to see a huge boost for NY next season.
Lost (66 minutes) - 10.050 million viewers - 5.9/9 HH - 4.4/11 A18-49
Lost may have good, solid demo but with little over 10Millions viewers with 5.9/9hh abc must be dissapointed.
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Old Christine (R) - 5.602 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.5/4 A18-49
Gary Unmarried (R) - 5.706 million viewers - 3.6/6 HH - 1.6/4 A18-49
Those numbers are simply not good. I know that Christine and Gary are going against AI but but they should have better numbers. I really hope CBS will put a new drama there next season, only those type of shows do well for CBS against AI.
Again, a good, solid performance for CM both in the demo and viewers. CM is very steady this year.
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CSI: NY - 12.563 million viewers - 8.1/14 HH - 3.1/8 A18-49
I am getting dissapointed by CSI:NY numbers and episodes quality. The numbers should be closer to CM with so little competition at 10h00pm.
Demos I agree, I feel that Lost will benefit more if they move it to 10pm b/c there's just too much going on there at 9pm.
Old Christine and Gary are doing the best that they can do in a slot where nothing is giving them a bump. I think CBS is eventually going to have to start giving Gary a boost out of Men. I don't mean just one week either when its a repeat but a whole quarter full of new episodes. I agree that CBS should simply move a procedural there next season but that depends if CBS is losing dollars in this slot. If they keep this slot next season then one of their stronger players like How I Met Your Mother or Rules is going to have to lead that block.
CM as usual is a strong player against Idol and demos to viewers ratio is a tad bit better than NCIS.
NY is actually doing very well there and it fits like a glove out of CM. The problem for NY is that its going against two other procedurals (Law and Order & Life on Mars). Remember this procedural vs procedural will trim the ratings down for those kind of shows b/c it splits the audience. When L&O is there, NY tends to struggle a bit but when L&O is not there NY gets around 14-16 million viewers. When Leno moves in there you're going to see a huge boost for NY next season.
I am getting dissapointed by CSI:NY numbers and episodes quality. The numbers should be closer to CM with so little competition at 10h00pm.[/QUOTE] Demos I agree, I feel that Lost will benefit more if they move it to 10pm b/c there's just too much going on there at 9pm.
Old Christine and Gary are doing the best that they can do in a slot where nothing is giving them a bump. I think CBS is eventually going to have to start giving Gary a boost out of Men. I don't mean just one week either when its a repeat but a whole quarter full of new episodes. I agree that CBS should simply move a procedural there next season but that depends if CBS is losing dollars in this slot. If they keep this slot next season then one of their stronger players like How I Met Your Mother or Rules is going to have to lead that block.
CM as usual is a strong player against Idol and demos to viewers ratio is a tad bit better than NCIS.
NY is actually doing very well there and it fits like a glove out of CM. The problem for NY is that its going against two other procedurals (Law and Order & Life on Mars). Remember this procedural vs procedural will trim the ratings down for those kind of shows b/c it splits the audience. When L&O is there, NY tends to struggle a bit but when L&O is not there NY gets around 14-16 million viewers. When Leno moves in there you're going to see a huge boost for NY next season.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure ABC is incredibly happy with 10 million viewers and over a 4 demo against the number one show on TV. Agreed that Gary and Christine aren't doing all that well. They haven't been all year but given CBS's history in that hour, one or both are likely to survive past this year if I had to guess. CM does pretty good against Idol but it really loses a good chunk of that demo it had in the fall each year at this time. CSI:NY is incredibly lead in dependent and at times does as much as 2 million viewers less than its lead in and drops a good chunk of demo despite not facing Idol. Granted, it has a time period crutch to deal with but it would sink like a stone elsewhere on its own.
Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
Ya they're up because it was airing repeat last year.
Understanding that last nite CBS was in reruns at 8pm, one of the interesting questions for next year is whether they will start to take this hour seriously again.
Regardless of what you thought of JERICHO it was a crapshoot with very low expectations.
Then the next year, KID NATION, which they couldn't have had a high confidence level in.
And they seemingly should be looking to improve on the comedies from this year.
They already have a dead hour at 10pm Sunday. Why not a more assertive approach in this Wed hour?
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Originally posted by trebek: Goodness, Damages' ratings are anemic! It has to go up a little with DVR or other viewings, right? Can't believe FX is going to show a 3rd season of this show. I hear they have Close contracted for 6 seasons - not gonna happen.
The show, regretably, has become even more anemic. They were off to a nice start this year and now it is beyond dry, it is parched.
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Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
They should definetely be happy. Not many shows can pull such a number out of the bag facing Idol But CM was not good this wek. last weeks episode with the copycat serialkiller was WAY better then this one. Actually come to think about this weeks episode wqas one of the worst
Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
They should definetely be happy. Not many shows can pull such a number out of the bag facing Idol But CM was not good this wek. last weeks episode with the copycat serialkiller was WAY better then this one. Actually come to think about this weeks episode wqas one of the worst
This week episode was okay, not their best but not their worse, the Cold Confort episode wasn't up to CM usually high standard, all the characters were out of characters and it showed. This week was good, I liked it, I really thought that the ending would have been different. So then going for not the obvious end,the unsub killing her father but doing just the same by giving Hotchner the SD card was good.
Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
They should definetely be happy. Not many shows can pull such a number out of the bag facing Idol But CM was not good this wek. last weeks episode with the copycat serialkiller was WAY better then this one. Actually come to think about this weeks episode wqas one of the worst
This week episode was okay, not their best but not their worse, the Cold Confort episode wasn't up to CM usually high standard, all the characters were out of characters and it showed. This week was good, I liked it, I really thought that the ending would have been different. So then going for not the obvious end,the unsub killing her father but doing just the same by giving Hotchner the SD card was good.
Still didn't think this episode had the usual CM punch. Like the cool serial killer movies. wich CM episodes usually do
Next weeks episode sounds very promising
"The BAU is called to investigate a series of deaths involving exorcisms that appear to be sanctioned by the Vatican, and SSA Emily Prentiss finds herself personally involved in the case."
Originally posted by Julie: I agree about Idol - this format sucks bigtime. I hate it how only 3 go through out of 12 each week - we start to know these people, but if their first live performance isn't up to part, that's it.
Gary Unmarried finally built on Old Christine in viewers - too bad both were repeats-LOL.
CBS had a good night with their dramas, but it still seems like both have been underperforming lately.
Lost doesn't do well against Idol. That goes to show that Lost isn't the dominating power it used to be.
No, CM numbers are up against AI this season and CBS are pretty happy with CM numbers.
They should definetely be happy. Not many shows can pull such a number out of the bag facing Idol But CM was not good this wek. last weeks episode with the copycat serialkiller was WAY better then this one. Actually come to think about this weeks episode wqas one of the worst
This week episode was okay, not their best but not their worse, the Cold Confort episode wasn't up to CM usually high standard, all the characters were out of characters and it showed. This week was good, I liked it, I really thought that the ending would have been different. So then going for not the obvious end,the unsub killing her father but doing just the same by giving Hotchner the SD card was good.
Still didn't think this episode had the usual CM punch. Like the cool serial killer movies. wich CM episodes usually do
Next weeks episode sounds very promising
"The BAU is called to investigate a series of deaths involving exorcisms that appear to be sanctioned by the Vatican, and SSA Emily Prentiss finds herself personally involved in the case."
