Originally posted by Twins12: A building of .1 in the demo is virtually nothing. It basically gets a .3 handicap for the time slot. If you look at almost any good drama they always get at least .3 higher demo in the 8:30 half hour, because there are simply more younger viewers watching at 8:30 than at 8:00. I do not think Gary is building on Christine much, at all. It did earlier in the season, but it now has stopped building.
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Gary still builds in the demo, and still has over 90% retention which, by the way, is better than what Christine ever did with any of its lead-ins....including when it also aired at 8:30 on Mondays...
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Originally posted by Twins12:
I agree on Gary, however. That show seems to be sinking lately. It does not even hold the Christine audience anymore. I have no idea what CBS does next year, but they cannot be that thrilled with the Wednesday night comedy block. The demos are just too low.
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Originally posted by Julie: Idol was up last night, but still down from its premiere week. Can't be that good of a sign. Can't tell too much about Lie to Me. I think FOX would happy if this show could do the 8-10 million Bones previously did Wednesdays at 8pm.
Lost was also down - I really thought this show would get at least up to 14 million. But, I was wrong - 11 million really is not that good for a show that was once getting 20 million. But, the show's pretty safe - it's guaranteed 2 more seasons (and no more), isn't it?
CBS had a pretty good night. I'll talk about the comedies later. Criminal Minds held up, but CSI: NY really should be doing better. Is Law and Order taking the numbers down, or was it Lost that did it? Speaking of L&O, it's doing pretty good I think - NBC would be crazy to cancel it next season.
Now about the CBS comedies. It had the 25 million Idol for competition, plus the Lost recap, which did decent ratings. Old Christine is the far stronger sitcom of the 2 - Gary Unmarried was building out of Old Christine, but it doesn't seem to be holding up to the competition that well. Probably should be better than 7 million, but I don't know what to say at this point.
If next season, CBS puts a drama in the slot, they'll have to open up another night for comedy. No way can they only have Mondays.
That's been my exact point. It is building in the demo, but what does that mean? When it's only going up .1 in a higher-rated slot, that means virtually nothing, especially to a network like CBS. Personal feelings have to stay aside here - I realize SleptOn is not a fan of Old Christine, but it's the stronger show of the 2.
And I don't want to be rude, but you're getting to the point where you'd bashing the show. Don't do that. Like I said, personal feelings don't matter here.
Originally posted by Julie: CBS needs another hour of comedy somewhere on the schedule. It's pretty much assumed BBT, HIMYM, and 2.5 Men will be renewed. And assuming Worst Week is cancelled, they'll still have Rules of Engagement, Old Christine, and Gary Unmarried to play around with, plus whatever new comedies they have next season. Do you really think they can continue with just 2 hours for sitcoms? I don't.
Gary Unmarried barely builds in the demos. But, it hasn't been building in total viewers, and that's still not a good sign. At this point, Old Christine is looking better than Gary Unmarried is. And Old Christine always did good on Mondays. In fact, it was its strongest when airing at 8:30. It's fallen over the years, but it's still capable of doing well. I agree, though, that the test will come when Idol's once again out of the slot.
Why do they need another night of comedy? No one else has more than one night...
And didn't Christine get its worst numbers (until this year) when it was on Mondays at 8:30?
And it doesn't need to be put to any more "tests". It's failed enough. CBS gave it the best lead-in possible, cancelled a slew of promising shows in favor of this, gave it the least competitive time period imaginable this fall, has been promoting the show nonstop for three years, yada yada yada....the fact that it is in its 4th season in spite of its many shortcomings should be considered a blessing....and a mystery.
I agree. A .1 demo building is nothing. The difference in the time slots is worth about .3. I agree that Christine is stronger, but not by much. They both are very weak in the demos. That is why I don't know if CBS supports a Wednesday comedy hour next season.
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Originally posted by Julie:
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Originally posted by Twins12: A building of .1 in the demo is virtually nothing. It basically gets a .3 handicap for the time slot. If you look at almost any good drama they always get at least .3 higher demo in the 8:30 half hour, because there are simply more younger viewers watching at 8:30 than at 8:00. I do not think Gary is building on Christine much, at all. It did earlier in the season, but it now has stopped building.
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Gary still builds in the demo, and still has over 90% retention which, by the way, is better than what Christine ever did with any of its lead-ins....including when it also aired at 8:30 on Mondays...
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Originally posted by Twins12:
I agree on Gary, however. That show seems to be sinking lately. It does not even hold the Christine audience anymore. I have no idea what CBS does next year, but they cannot be that thrilled with the Wednesday night comedy block. The demos are just too low.
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Originally posted by Julie: Idol was up last night, but still down from its premiere week. Can't be that good of a sign. Can't tell too much about Lie to Me. I think FOX would happy if this show could do the 8-10 million Bones previously did Wednesdays at 8pm.
Lost was also down - I really thought this show would get at least up to 14 million. But, I was wrong - 11 million really is not that good for a show that was once getting 20 million. But, the show's pretty safe - it's guaranteed 2 more seasons (and no more), isn't it?
CBS had a pretty good night. I'll talk about the comedies later. Criminal Minds held up, but CSI: NY really should be doing better. Is Law and Order taking the numbers down, or was it Lost that did it? Speaking of L&O, it's doing pretty good I think - NBC would be crazy to cancel it next season.
Now about the CBS comedies. It had the 25 million Idol for competition, plus the Lost recap, which did decent ratings. Old Christine is the far stronger sitcom of the 2 - Gary Unmarried was building out of Old Christine, but it doesn't seem to be holding up to the competition that well. Probably should be better than 7 million, but I don't know what to say at this point.
If next season, CBS puts a drama in the slot, they'll have to open up another night for comedy. No way can they only have Mondays.
That's been my exact point. It is building in the demo, but what does that mean? When it's only going up .1 in a higher-rated slot, that means virtually nothing, especially to a network like CBS. Personal feelings have to stay aside here - I realize SleptOn is not a fan of Old Christine, but it's the stronger show of the 2.
And I don't want to be rude, but you're getting to the point where you'd bashing the show. Don't do that. Like I said, personal feelings don't matter here.
My criticisms have stayed focused on the show's Nielsen performance...it's low rated and has never lived up to any reasonable expectation. It's the lowest rated show on the network for no reason. CBS has a lot of shows that have had to hold their own against Idol. 7.5 million viewers with a 2.1 demo is hardly an accomplishment....
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Originally posted by Julie:
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Originally posted by Twins12: A building of .1 in the demo is virtually nothing. It basically gets a .3 handicap for the time slot. If you look at almost any good drama they always get at least .3 higher demo in the 8:30 half hour, because there are simply more younger viewers watching at 8:30 than at 8:00. I do not think Gary is building on Christine much, at all. It did earlier in the season, but it now has stopped building.
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Gary still builds in the demo, and still has over 90% retention which, by the way, is better than what Christine ever did with any of its lead-ins....including when it also aired at 8:30 on Mondays...
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Originally posted by Twins12:
I agree on Gary, however. That show seems to be sinking lately. It does not even hold the Christine audience anymore. I have no idea what CBS does next year, but they cannot be that thrilled with the Wednesday night comedy block. The demos are just too low.
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Originally posted by Julie: Idol was up last night, but still down from its premiere week. Can't be that good of a sign. Can't tell too much about Lie to Me. I think FOX would happy if this show could do the 8-10 million Bones previously did Wednesdays at 8pm.
Lost was also down - I really thought this show would get at least up to 14 million. But, I was wrong - 11 million really is not that good for a show that was once getting 20 million. But, the show's pretty safe - it's guaranteed 2 more seasons (and no more), isn't it?
CBS had a pretty good night. I'll talk about the comedies later. Criminal Minds held up, but CSI: NY really should be doing better. Is Law and Order taking the numbers down, or was it Lost that did it? Speaking of L&O, it's doing pretty good I think - NBC would be crazy to cancel it next season.
Now about the CBS comedies. It had the 25 million Idol for competition, plus the Lost recap, which did decent ratings. Old Christine is the far stronger sitcom of the 2 - Gary Unmarried was building out of Old Christine, but it doesn't seem to be holding up to the competition that well. Probably should be better than 7 million, but I don't know what to say at this point.
If next season, CBS puts a drama in the slot, they'll have to open up another night for comedy. No way can they only have Mondays.
That's been my exact point. It is building in the demo, but what does that mean? When it's only going up .1 in a higher-rated slot, that means virtually nothing, especially to a network like CBS. Personal feelings have to stay aside here - I realize SleptOn is not a fan of Old Christine, but it's the stronger show of the 2.
And I don't want to be rude, but you're getting to the point where you'd bashing the show. Don't do that. Like I said, personal feelings don't matter here.
Originally posted by SleptOn: Christine has already had way more chances than it ever deserved.
The show was only saved this year because the writer's strike stopped development and ABC stated they would pick up TNAoOC if CBS cancelled it. Without ABC's 'threat' and CBS's decision to start a second night of comedy again, TNAoOC was going to be gone.
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Is there a certain number of episodes required for a decent syndication package?
I have heard 100 episodes is a good cutoff number, though many shows are getting cable runs with fewer than that.
I agree on the ABC-Christine saving thing. I wonder if ABC saves Christine again this year.
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Christine has already had way more chances than it ever deserved.
The show was only saved this year because the writer's strike stopped development and ABC stated they would pick up TNAoOC if CBS cancelled it. Without ABC's 'threat' and CBS's decision to start a second night of comedy again, TNAoOC was going to be gone.
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Is there a certain number of episodes required for a decent syndication package?
I have heard 100 episodes is a good cutoff number, though many shows are getting cable runs with fewer than that.
Originally posted by Julie: That's been my exact point. It is building in the demo, but what does that mean? When it's only going up .1 in a higher-rated slot, that means virtually nothing, especially to a network like CBS.
CBS has part ownership of Gary Unmarried and CBS can reap financial benefit from airing Gary Unmarried online right now. TNAoOC is worth less to CBS for thoswe two reasons alone.
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Personal feelings have to stay aside here - I realize SleptOn is not a fan of Old Christine, but it's the stronger show of the 2.
If you set personal feelings aside, you would realize that Gary Unmarried is the better performer of the two shows and the one that is more valuable to the network.
Originally posted by Twins12: I agree on the ABC-Christine saving thing. I wonder if ABC saves Christine again this year.
With no writer's strike, ABC is working on a bunch of new sitcoms. Their interest in TNAoOC has probably waned.
I do think that CBS will keep the Wednesday comedy block next season, but it may not bring back either of the surrent shows. Instead, they may move RoE there and add a new sitcom to keep it company. CBS wants younger viewers (even if their PR spin says otherwise) and that was the purpose behind the additional night of sitcoms. Even their new 'hit' shows like The Mentalist and Eleventh Hour don't pull in that 18-49 crowd the way a sitcom could/should, so I think CBS will keep trying for a second successful comedy block next year.
Does the network that aired the show also get syndication $$?
I was confused during that whole battle over Christine. I was guessing that CBS just didn't want ABC to reap the benefits of a syndication deal for a show that CBS toiled with and invested so much in...
If ABC saves this show, it'll be the next According To Jim/Drew Carey. Any other network would have treated (or will treat) this show FAR WORSE than what is has received from CBS.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Christine has already had way more chances than it ever deserved.
The show was only saved this year because the writer's strike stopped development and ABC stated they would pick up TNAoOC if CBS cancelled it. Without ABC's 'threat' and CBS's decision to start a second night of comedy again, TNAoOC was going to be gone.
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Is there a certain number of episodes required for a decent syndication package?
I have heard 100 episodes is a good cutoff number, though many shows are getting cable runs with fewer than that.
I'm not sure if I'd go as far to say they are headed for a dark era. However, ABC has to figure out the future of the network and use the lead ins that it has to build new shows.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Over the last 30-40 years, ABC is the "Rollercoaster" Network. It has short periods of success and failure, going back and forth. I think we may be on the verge of another dark era with ABC.
Interesting move. Putting originals over repeats of 13: The Fear Is Real might help out their Friday schedule, but Privileged repeats is going to kill CW's Wednesday schedule until ANTM comes in.
Originally posted by SleptOn: Does the network that aired the show also get syndication $$?
Nope. On the other hand, when studios get close to syndication (or already have reached it) with a show, they often cut the price to the network for additional episodes. Consider a show like ER where the studio was getting $1,000,000 per episode that goes to syndication; that kind of back-end income gives them incentive to cut the per episode pricetag they were charging NBC for new episodes.
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I was confused during that whole battle over Christine. I was guessing that CBS just didn't want ABC to reap the benefits of a syndication deal for a show that CBS toiled with and invested so much in...
If ABC saves this show, it'll be the next According To Jim/Drew Carey.
TNAoOC was a weird deal since the studio is Warner. neither CBS nor ABC get any money from the show reaching syndication. Basically, ABC was just trying to find (during a time when the WGA strike prevented new development) a sitcom that would pull in viewers this season. On the other hand, a show like According to Jim is made by ABC Studios, so the parent company (Disney) basically forced the network arm to take a loss by ordering another season so that the studio arm could take a bigger gain (more syndication episodes for According to Jim).
Actually, ABC would see no syndication money because its a Warner Brothers produced comedy. In my opinion, Christine is 10x funnier than 2.5 Men and Rules of Engagement and has edged Gary Unmarried since about Thanksgiving in quality as well. The tone of it really doesn't fit the other CBS comedies. I do feel it would be a great fit for ABC though with their estrogen-infused lineup.
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Does the network that aired the show also get syndication $$?
I was confused during that whole battle over Christine. I was guessing that CBS just didn't want ABC to reap the benefits of a syndication deal for a show that CBS toiled with and invested so much in...
If ABC saves this show, it'll be the next According To Jim/Drew Carey. Any other network would have treated (or will treat) this show FAR WORSE than what is has received from CBS.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by SleptOn: Christine has already had way more chances than it ever deserved.
The show was only saved this year because the writer's strike stopped development and ABC stated they would pick up TNAoOC if CBS cancelled it. Without ABC's 'threat' and CBS's decision to start a second night of comedy again, TNAoOC was going to be gone.
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Is there a certain number of episodes required for a decent syndication package?
I have heard 100 episodes is a good cutoff number, though many shows are getting cable runs with fewer than that.
Originally posted by Twins12: I agree on the ABC-Christine saving thing. I wonder if ABC saves Christine again this year.
With no writer's strike, ABC is working on a bunch of new sitcoms. Their interest in TNAoOC has probably waned.
I do think that CBS will keep the Wednesday comedy block next season, but it may not bring back either of the surrent shows. Instead, they may move RoE there and add a new sitcom to keep it company. CBS wants younger viewers (even if their PR spin says otherwise) and that was the purpose behind the additional night of sitcoms. Even their new 'hit' shows like The Mentalist and Eleventh Hour don't pull in that 18-49 crowd the way a sitcom could/should, so I think CBS will keep trying for a second successful comedy block next year.
