Originally posted by tv avenger: I hate to break the news to you, but if you are not on cbs you are probably on Marc's short list.
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Originally posted by AL:
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But as good as that is, its average 10.3 household rating places it at the bottom of the chart of other long-running series-finales.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Oh, I already know plenty about Marc's CBS bias. It is really pathetic. I appreciate the information Marc provides (the best days are when he just lists the numbers), but his analysis is truly awful. I think my 10 year old son could do a better job analyzing these numbers.
+1 I dislike CBS soooo much! There is nothing on that channel that I watch (except football). The canceled Jericho and Threshold and that was my last straw!
I throughly enjoy Chuck and Heroes and he constantly belittles them. If only he could report the info and keep his snarky snide remarks to himself.
The OC was up probably around 100% percent on its season average for its series finale. It did well considering its season average. ER did very well too.
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Originally posted by Riff Rafferty: I agree. Yes, it's agreed. The "ER" finale did terrible. How dare this show only improve on its penultimate episode ratings by 160%. "The O.C." proved that a much higher percentage of departed viewers than that will always come back for the series finale.
Yes, perhaps they should have canceled it several seasons ago--as Marc said many times--out of his deep Anti-NBC bias.
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but in these days, for all the networks, new hits are very hard to come by, so even with ER getting just a fraction of the ratings it used to get, it was still doing better than a new show would do for them.
There's no way to know what any new show will do--they KNEW ER would do badly--if this play-it-safe attitude had been in place back in 1992, ER would never have gotten a chance to air in the first place. Some other aging former hit would have had that timeslot.
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Plus, it must have still been a money maker for them.
Which is why they canceled it. They hate money.
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True, in general you might expect a series finale for a show ER to do better.
More Anti-NBC bias there. The finale ratings were astounding, and NBC is delighted, and victorious over all! HERETIC!!!
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But this show over the years turned into a shell of what it once was.
LIAR!!!!
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It has not been one of the highest rated dramas for many years.
HATER!!!!!
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So lets compare the finale rating to what it has been doing over the last couple of years instead of what it did 10-15 years ago.
We can do both, you know.
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And to compare the ER finale to the finale of shows like Seinfeld or Friends is idiotic. Seinfeld and Friends had their original casts intact throughout their runs and were at their peaks when they ended.
Agreed--back when NBC was the #1 network, it knew better than to leave shows on the air until nobody cared about them. And then it got desperate, and clingy, and hung onto old franchises, instead of building up new ones. And that's why it's the #4 network now. And they should be grateful they only have to fight CW for that position now--WB might have given them a run for their money.
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Of course those finales will get huge ratings compared to ER. And most of the shows on that list were on in a different generation for broadcast television. Most were on when there was little or no cable around.
Fair enough, but that's hardly the case for Will & Grace and some of the other shows that got bigger finale audiences than ER, even though they were well past their prime, and airing in the age of cable.
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When you think about it rationally 15-20 million is really more than anyone could have expected for this show last night.
Where did you get the '15-20mil' thingy from? It never even reached 18mil. It started out BELOW 15mil.
This is NBC. The first network. At many points in its history (and not so long ago), the biggest network.
You are seeing bias in Marc's analysis because you want him to apply YOUR bias--to lower the standard of how a major network should perform in the ratings to make NBC look better. Like lowering the expected test scores for high school students, so as to 'improve' the performance of our educational system.
NBC can't continue indefinitely as it is now, so no, you can't expect anyone to seriously compare NBC's performance to just its past few seasons. It has to be compared to how it once was, because if it can't regain some of its past success, it's not going to survive longterm. The only relevant standard is how it's performing compared to the other networks. And it's performing very badly compared to them.
NBC has to rebuild. To rebuild, it has to gut renovate, which includes axing once-mighty franchises that are no longer viable. That's what Marc has been saying, and Marc is 100% right.
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I think everyone pretty much understands your position here on the board. The same message post after post. Marc is bias to CBS and hates NBC.
I don't really understand why you are on the forum boards if you hate the creator so much. Wouldn't it make more sense to contribute somewhere where you are happier? Or are just a masochist? Either way, the act is beyond old. I have to compare it to the final season of Drew Carey in TV Terms.
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Originally posted by AL: Oh, I already know plenty about Marc's CBS bias. It is really pathetic. I appreciate the information Marc provides (the best days are when he just lists the numbers), but his analysis is truly awful. I think my 10 year old son could do a better job analyzing these numbers.
I enjoy the information Marc provides, plus I like the opinions and comments made by many of the posters here.
+1 I dislike CBS soooo much! There is nothing on that channel that I watch (except football). The canceled Jericho and Threshold and that was my last straw!
Oh yeah, no bias there.
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I throughly enjoy Chuck and Heroes and he constantly belittles them.
No, the NIELSEN VIEWERS belittle them, and Marc reports that. You hate reality, not Marc.
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If only he could report the info and keep his snarky snide remarks to himself.
If only he would ban whiney little pipsqueaks like you from this forum, who are only here to be cheerleaders for low-rated shows on the verge of well-deserved cancellation.
Looking at the dramatic gain for ER in the second hour, once the 200th episode of CSI ended, it makes you wonder how much CSI hurt the show.
I remember in the past, networks always seemed to "step aside" for other nets' series finales (whether out of "respect" or just because they couldn't compete). Both ABC and CBS could compete with ER -- but ABC chose not to. CBS not only aired a new episode of CSI, but a landmark-type episode of CSI, plus the season/series finale of their other new show.
You wonder how much of that was personal, especially from Les Moonves...I know there is no love lost between him and NBC (though I believe, ironically, he helped develop ER!)
Originally posted by Zedman2: Bids for the repurposing and off-net rights for Anatomy closed Friday; BVT is said to have been seeking $2 million per episode under an all-cash, four-year licensing deal—with no cap on the number of seasons.
What does this mean? How can you have a four-year deal with no cap on the number of seasons?
You are seeing bias in Marc's analysis because you want him to apply YOUR bias--to lower the standard of how a major network should perform in the ratings to make NBC look better. Like lowering the expected test scores for high school students, so as to 'improve' the performance of our educational system.
No, I am seeing bias in Marc's analysis because (for example) every week I see him neglect to call shows such as Old Christine and Gary losers, while they get ratings similar to that of several NBC shows which he calls losers every week. I don't really care if he lists shows as a winners or losers. But lets be fair and put all shows on a level playing field. He'll always give the benefit of the doubt to shows on CBS and find ways to shed a positive light on them, while always shedding a negative light on NBC (and most of the time on ABC as well), even when it is not deserved.
Originally posted by Zedman2: Bids for the repurposing and off-net rights for Anatomy closed Friday; BVT is said to have been seeking $2 million per episode under an all-cash, four-year licensing deal—with no cap on the number of seasons.
What does this mean? How can you have a four-year deal with no cap on the number of seasons?
I believe future seasons get rolled into the deal which is why According to Jim continues.
You are seeing bias in Marc's analysis because you want him to apply YOUR bias--to lower the standard of how a major network should perform in the ratings to make NBC look better. Like lowering the expected test scores for high school students, so as to 'improve' the performance of our educational system.
No, I am seeing bias in Marc's analysis because (for example) every week I see him neglect to call shows such as Old Christine and Gary losers, while they get ratings similar to that of several NBC shows which he calls losers every week. I don't really care if he lists shows as a winners or losers. But lets be fair and put all shows on a level playing field. He'll always give the benefit of the doubt to shows on CBS and find ways to shed a positive light on them, while always shedding a negative light on NBC (and most of the time on ABC as well), even when it is not deserved.
He's right, you know. I don't agree with everything AL says, but he's right here. Sometimes the winners/losers rankings are simply unfair. And most times it happens concerning CBS. Gary and Christine are excellent examples.
