Let's face it - they barely got the same number of viewers who tuned into a "declining" non-stunt/non-series premiere/non series finale Grey's Anatomy episode last week...
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GA's crossover stunt could not muster past 15 million. ABC would love to have GA reach 17 again as opposed to the low teens it gets presently.
ER finale - I had figured about 15mm. The historical ranking stuff doesn't concern me much or surprise me. I wonder how many of those shows turned over their cast close to 100% from their peak and/or last top 10 type of seasons.
For one nite, anyway, NBC was alive again.
ELEVENTH HOUR - Yes, I don't see where they go with this. I think they were expecting a higher demo type of show with this. And even if some of the other 10pm leadouts aren't setting the world on fire, they are working with less demo to begin with and have proven their ratings over time.
There have been those who have called for this to move to friday nite at 9pm next year. I'm not starting that debate, but noting that CBS could have very easily tried it there, for example, in some special airings but elected not to. It would have cost them very little, maybe delaying FLASHPOINT or pre-empting it for a week or two. The fact that this was not done to me is not a good sign for the move-to-friday idea.
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But as good as that is, its average 10.3 household rating places it at the bottom of the chart of other long-running series-finales.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
I agree. Unfortunately ER should have ended two seasons ago for it to have gone out while people still cared somewhat. It reminded me of one of those people who is the last to leave the party. They just dont know when to go.
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Originally posted by pisher: As big as its ratings used to be, and as durable as it proved to be, ER just doesn't go down as one of the all-time classics--as can be told from that rundown of finale ratings. The great majority of the people who watched it at one time or another failed to come back to see it end. Including me, because I did not honestly see the point.
Did Eriq LaSalle do that 'boo-yah!' fist-pumping move we used to see in the opening credits every week?
ER did well. That must be NBC's best ratings for a scripted show all season. I had thought it could break 20 million but giving NBC's current state I knew that wasn't likely.
That news was big disappointmdent to me. I waited close to a year for Perry's new show and it's not even being picked up . I really hope another network snatches it up quickly.
For those interested here's last nights results for US shows in the UK
ER (More4 - Cable Channel): 527K Bones (Repeat) (Sky1 - Cable Channel): 391K The Mentalist (Channel 5 - Terrestrial): 3.25M
I hate to break the news to you, but if you are not on cbs you are probably on Marc's short list.
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Originally posted by AL:
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But as good as that is, its average 10.3 household rating places it at the bottom of the chart of other long-running series-finales.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
Series finales are supposed to bring back a much bigger percentage of departed viewers than this one did. Marc called it a winner, and you're still whining. This is not an impressive performance for the finale for one of the highest-rated dramas of the past two decades, which had virtually all its major stars (some of whom are also movie stars) coming back for the end.
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You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Yes, you can't compare ER to them, because NBC let those shows go before they became complete embarrassments.
Will and Grace sure wasn't at its peak when it ended--and its finale isn't even the highest-rated episode--but it still outdrew ER.
Originally posted by Fifty: ER did well. That must be NBC's best ratings for a scripted show all season.
With the noteable exception of the episode of The Office that aired after the Superbowl, I believe that you are correct. Going forward, NBC may not reach the number again.
Originally posted by tv avenger: I hate to break the news to you, but if you are not on cbs you are probably on Marc's short list.
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Originally posted by AL:
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But as good as that is, its average 10.3 household rating places it at the bottom of the chart of other long-running series-finales.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Oh, I already know plenty about Marc's CBS bias. It is really pathetic. I appreciate the information Marc provides (the best days are when he just lists the numbers), but his analysis is truly awful. I think my 10 year old son could do a better job analyzing these numbers.
Originally posted by tv avenger: I hate to break the news to you, but if you are not on cbs you are probably on Marc's short list.
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Originally posted by AL:
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But as good as that is, its average 10.3 household rating places it at the bottom of the chart of other long-running series-finales.
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Oh, I already know plenty about Marc's CBS bias. It is really pathetic. I appreciate the information Marc provides (the best days are when he just lists the numbers), but his analysis is truly awful. I think my 10 year old son could do a better job analyzing these numbers.
NBC will probably never see this number again except in sports like Sunday Night Football going forward.
You can't really compare ER to the other finales because they had their finales when the live TV audience was much larger. Its been on the decline ever since Will & Grace big time.
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I think everyone pretty much understands your position here on the board. The same message post after post. Marc is bias to CBS and hates NBC.
I don't really understand why you are on the forum boards if you hate the creator so much. Wouldn't it make more sense to contribute somewhere where you are happier? Or are just a masochist? Either way, the act is beyond old. I have to compare it to the final season of Drew Carey in TV Terms.
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Originally posted by AL: Oh, I already know plenty about Marc's CBS bias. It is really pathetic. I appreciate the information Marc provides (the best days are when he just lists the numbers), but his analysis is truly awful. I think my 10 year old son could do a better job analyzing these numbers.
I agree. Yes, it's agreed. The "ER" finale did terrible. How dare this show only improve on its penultimate episode ratings by 160%. "The O.C." proved that a much higher percentage of departed viewers than that will always come back for the series finale.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
Even on a day when NBC's ER registers a rating more than double what it has been getting this season, you still need to shed the negative light on it because it is on NBC. Shame on your Marc, shame on you. Will you ever get over your hatred of NBC and be fair? I know they are having a horrible season, but come on, for one night can't you just give them some love instead of bringing out the negative as you always do when it comes to NBC?
Series finales are supposed to bring back a much bigger percentage of departed viewers than this one did. Marc called it a winner, and you're still whining. This is not an impressive performance for the finale for one of the highest-rated dramas of the past two decades, which had virtually all its major stars (some of whom are also movie stars) coming back for the end.
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You can't compare ER to a lot of the shows on your list anyway, because a lot them, including Friends and Seinfeld were still at their peaks (or close to it) when they ended.
Yes, you can't compare ER to them, because NBC let those shows go before they became complete embarrassments.
Will and Grace sure wasn't at its peak when it ended--and its finale isn't even the highest-rated episode--but it still outdrew ER.
Perhaps NBC kept this show around too long, but in these days, for all the networks, new hits are very hard to come by, so even with ER getting just a fraction of the ratings it used to get, it was still doing better than a new show would do for them. Plus, it must have still been a money maker for them.
True, in general you might expect a series finale for a show ER to do better. But this show over the years turned into a shell of what it once was. It has not been one of the highest rated dramas for many years. So lets compare the finale rating to what it has been doing over the last couple of years instead of what it did 10-15 years ago.
And to compare the ER finale to the finale of shows like Seinfeld or Friends is idiotic. Seinfeld and Friends had their original casts intact throughout their runs and were at their peaks when they ended. Of course those finales will get huge ratings compared to ER. And most of the shows on that list were on in a different generation for broadcast television. Most were on when there was little or no cable around.
When you think about it rationally 15-20 million is really more than anyone could have expected for this show last night.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: The inability of these serialized dramas to attract an audience the second time around will be costly when it heads to off-network.
I don't think ABC Studios is too worried at this point since deals are already in place:
Quick Turn for Anatomy By Jim Benson -- Broadcasting & Cable, 6/12/2006 2:57:00 AM MT Buena Vista Television (BVT) was silent last week, but cable execs say it has added a repurposing window to Grey’s Anatomy that, starting in January, will allow the Touchstone hit drama to run on cable a few days after its ABC run. Bids for the repurposing and off-net rights for Anatomy closed Friday; BVT is said to have been seeking $2 million per episode under an all-cash, four-year licensing deal—with no cap on the number of seasons. The syndication deal would start in 2009, with the repurposed episodes obviously airing sooner than that. Some in cable think the final episodic price will be closer to $700,000 while others estimate that it could end up at more than $1 million. BVT’s Desperate Housewives recently went to Lifetime for a 2008 start at $500,000 per episode. BVT initially sought $1.2 million for the Marc Cherry hit without a cable repurposing window, which was added later. The Disney syndicator is looking to target Anatomy at Turner networks or USA, ABC Family and, perhaps, Oxygen; it has also approached cable buyers about acquiring off-network episodes of cancelled ABC sitcom Hope & Faith.
. I really hope another network snatches it up quickly.
