Originally posted by TV-aholic: I would think not. It would have a very hard time finding cable providers to place it on the Standard Cable level. Mopst new nets have a hard time finding the space.
Think about what you just said. If CW became a 'cable network', then there would be space available in the same spot that CW (the broadcast network) vacated. There is no need to 'find space'.
I think you're wrong there. Remember, even if CW folds, the individual local channels would still exist. It's the local channels that are on cable, not the CW (or NBC or ABC for that matter). My cabel channel 3, which used to be the WB network and is now CW, would still be WCWG 20 if the CW folded. It would just be a local station again with no network content.
EDIT: Fixed network to channel in a couple spots
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: On my list of the 4 CBS sitcoms, it is 4th place.
I agree with you that RoE is CBS's 4th best sitcom (at least until we can see/judge the two new ones that come along next year).
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As someone else pointed out, you can't say that about any other show like, 30 Rock, Scrubs, Sam Who, or what ever.
I agree with you that RoE is better than the other network sitcoms you mention here. Seriously, though, is that really where you want the bar set? Is that really your basis for claiming RoE could survive on its own: comparing it with three other sitcoms that also could not survive on their own (or for 2 of the 3, even perform well when 'protected')?
Think about what you just said. If CW became a 'cable network', then there would be space available in the same spot that CW (the broadcast network) vacated. There is no need to 'find space'.
No, it would not be able to hold that same spot. Those spots are for the Local stations, not The CW. The CW gains access to cable viewers via its local broadcasters.
Besides, just because a spot is "Vacated" does not mean that the CW would get the prefered, lower channel spot.
Originally posted by Twins12: I agree that it does do better than Old Christine did at holding the Men audience, but let me ask you this. Let's say ROE was in the 8:00 hour last night, do you think it would have done better than BBT or HIMYM did ?
Yea, a little better (over 8 million). I'm not saying that Rules... is the next coming of 2.5 Men, but it it just as strong as any of the other comedies, if not a tick above.
Obviously, no proof here, but I kind of think it would do the same. It is simply untested. Being the only CBS sitcom to never go up agains DWTS is a huge advantage, no to mention the Men lead in, and HUT advantage over the 8:00 sitcoms.
and what proof do you have that it would tank?
There is none, but there is no proof that it would not tank either. I will say, that history tells us it would. Look, at Old Christine's numbers from 9:30 and 8:30. It tanked big time at 8:30 from 9:30, so something tells me ROE would, too.
all you are doing is ASSuming...
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Originally posted by Twins12: I can't deny that it has good numbers. My argument is it is the only one untested. Look, how much Old Christine dropped when it moved from 9:30 to 8:30. I think Rules would have the same thing happen if it moved.
True, but Old Christines numbers at 9:30 were very inconsistant. It would bounce around from 70% retension to 85% retention. Rules... is very consistant at that 80-85% level and always did better in the demo.
Fair point. We will never know the answer until it is tested.
Originally posted by ChrTh: I think you're wrong there. Remember, even if CW folds, the individual local channels would still exist.
Without a network affiliation, most of those CW affiliates will fold, just like most of the MNTV affiliates will fold without network affiliation.
Meanwhile, as of Feb. 2009 all the cable will be delivered digitally, by law, anyway. That will only accelerate the 'package' channel lineups on cable.
Originally posted by ChrTh: I think you're wrong there. Remember, even if CW folds, the individual local channels would still exist.
Without a network affiliation, most of those CW affiliates will fold, just like most of the MNTV affiliates will fold without network affiliation.
I'm not so sure about that. It may be because I grew up in the 80s with channels 11 and 9 in the New York City area and they did fine without network affiliation, but I don't see why lack of network affiliation is an immediate death-knell for a station. Just in terms of my current local area, WCWG existed before the WB, and heck, the current MyNetwork TV station has been around since 1981.
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So all these broadcast groups are just gonna walk away from their assets and fold the stations? I don't think so! They would become independents (like they were before 1996) and program their own Prime Time schedules.
If anything, the Digital conversion will allow the local stations to gather more channels on Cable. The cable providers may be required to broadcast the secondary channels from each broadcaster. That may double or even triple the current number of local channels in each market.
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Originally posted by ChrTh: I think you're wrong there. Remember, even if CW folds, the individual local channels would still exist.
Without a network affiliation, most of those CW affiliates will fold, just like most of the MNTV affiliates will fold without network affiliation.
Meanwhile, as of Feb. 2009 all the cable will be delivered digitally, by law, anyway. That will only accelerate the 'package' channel lineups on cable.
Originally posted by ChrTh: I think you're wrong there. Remember, even if CW folds, the individual local channels would still exist.
Without a network affiliation, most of those CW affiliates will fold, just like most of the MNTV affiliates will fold without network affiliation.
I'm not so sure about that. It may be because I grew up in the 80s with channels 11 and 9 in the New York City area and they did fine without network affiliation, but I don't see why lack of network affiliation is an immediate death-knell for a station. Just in terms of my current local area, WCWG existed before the WB, and heck, the current MyNetwork TV station has been around since 1981.
Exactly. My CW station is owned by the Tribune group and the MyTV affiliate is owned by Lin Broadcating. there are two of the stronger station wonerships in the nations. They are not just gonna close up shop on this station because they lost 10-12 hours of programming.
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Nice to see CSIMiami getting good numbers for the finale. Far from last season but 16 million and 4.4 is damn good. As was the episode. I surely hope one actor won't be back next season. You know who i'm talking about. And it won't happen i'm afraid
Originally posted by ChrTh: Just in terms of my current local area, WCWG existed before the WB, and heck, the current MyNetwork TV station has been around since 1981.
This isn't 1981. Far more people have cable now which means they have other options than just 3 or 4 local channels. The 'asset' for local broadcast networks now is that they are guaranteed being carried by cable and most often they are positioned in a group on the cable lineup. This is precisely why CW (and MNTV) are holding on to their broadcast network 'foothold'. The space is valuable and the current loss is almost irrelevant to that long term value.
Originally posted by Walter: I hated Bones season finale last night.
I just want to strangle the writers.
It didnt make sence to me at all.
Why Did zach do all that stuff?
Will some one care to inlighten me.
Please....
I agree with you; I had mixed feelings about the finale---I didn't hate it, but I didn't exactly love it either--the whole thing felt very rushed, and Zack's involvement wasn't well explained leading up to the big reveal, it seemed to come out of nowhere. Lots of people are pretty upset about losing Zack, hopefully it won't mean a drop in ratings come the new season.
And speaking of ratings, wow, over ten million viewers! Way to go Bones! The show has shown steady improvement since moving to Mondays.So what does Fox do? Move it to Wednesdays come the Fall! Oh well, hopefully it will work out--Bones usually does well wherever it's put, although lumping it with a couple of comedies, not the best fit IMHO. We shall see...
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