In this economy and in this industry, no network could get sold. But, CBS does need to be brought into a larger corporation that is more diverse. The split from Viacom was not a smart idea by Redstone.
Nielsen May Have Overstated Ratings for Jets-Patriots Game
Might Have Understated Viewership for Three Local Stations, Too By Linda Moss -- Multichannel News, 11/25/2008
Nielsen may have overstated viewership for NFL Network—and understated numbers for three local TV stations—for a simulcast earlier this month of a New York Jets-New England Patriots game, the ratings company told its clients Tuesday.
“We have identified a crediting anomaly for the simulcast of the Nov. 13 New York Jets vs. New England Patriots NFL football game in which the reported local market ratings for the NFL Network may have been somewhat overstated and the reported ratings for the three local stations—WCVB and WMUR in Boston and WPIX in New York—may have been somewhat understated,” Nielsen said in a memo to clients.
The measurement company said that it appeared that individual minute ratings for the three stations may have been understated by less than 7% for the Nov. 13 game. Nielsen estimated Jets-Pats averaged 4.4 million viewers on NFL Network that night.
“We are currently determining whether there is any impact to the local market reported numbers which are quarter-hour based,” Nielsen said, adding that it will have an analysis done by no later than Dec. 3.
“The crediting situation pertains to some feeds of these stations when they aired the simulcast of the NFL Network telecast,” Nielsen said. “In some minutes during the game, two ‘final distributor’ A/P meter codes (one for NFL Network, one for the respective station) were coming through at the same time instead of the station code overriding the cable network code. We are researching the root cause of the issue and are currently investigating whether or not it has occurred in any of the other simulcast football games this season.”
The ratings company said it is looking at a number of solutions to the anomaly.
“This includes investigating business solutions involving the feeds that the cable networks distribute, as well as internal solutions involving software editing rules and engineering changes,” Nielsen said.
Agreed. Splitting from Viacom hurt CBS but it could be argued that the CBS portion would've really hurt Viacom as well. CBS's radio properties, like all radio, are in the toilet, and the affiliates are struggling right now too.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: In this economy and in this industry, no network could get sold. But, CBS does need to be brought into a larger corporation that is more diverse. The split from Viacom was not a smart idea by Redstone.
First, 24 airs after football is over on Sundays. This past week's demo wasn't all that impressive. You're right. All programs are down year to year. In fact, House is one of the biggest droppers and has suffered from all of these constant moves. A move to Thursday would make Fox competitive, but the network is already doing that with Bones. Why in the world do they need to change that, so you have something to watch on Sundays? Finally, Bones and House are needed to help out two other nights of the week, especially in the fall for Fox. Fringe may need House once again next fall. I'm sure Fox is hoping not, but there's a good chance for it. Kitchen Nightmares was a good counter programming option this fall, but no lead in on a new night was a very very poor decision. Fox should've just gave up on Thursdays this fall.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: By the time 24 hits the ground Running, Football is mostly done and Sundays become a non factor. And don't most 24 Season Premieres start on Sundays and do well in the ratings?
The reason the Animation block needs to move is that their ratings have really taken a hit over the past year. They still do decent numbers, but nothing like they use too.
This year, Simpsons and Family Guy get in the rang of 8 million viewers and about a 4.0 in the demo, on average.
Last fall, both were getting well over 10 million viewers and a mid 5 rating in the demo.
I know, I know.... most shows have been dropping year-to-year, but that is a pretty big drop (bigger than usual for hit shows), plus it started last Winter, not just this fall.
A move to Thursdays would instanly make FOX not pnly competitive, but a major player on the Highest HUT level night of the week. It's core audience, teens and young adults, would be perfect for the Weekend ad blitz that Thursday shows attract.
Yes, this would make Sundays a little more vulnerable, but a lot of us have been saying to put Bones and House on those nights (8pm and 9pm, respectively). Plus, development is key, each and every season, to fill the holes.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: I know. To me, something like House and even 24 on Sundays won't work because they probably share more football audience than the animated comedies do. We know the animated comedies don't share much of that audience because their audiences go down as the season goes along. Hopefully if anything is done this year, it will be Fox not doing the stupid new then repeat scheduling for the last 3 months of the year. God that drove me nuts last year.
Actually. No, Sundays are pretty open for me. Usually DVR catchup day, after football season.
I agree FOX should have left is Thursday lineup as it was last Spring (5th grader & DFTL) It was doing well there.
This is one of the great, fun things about this forum. All the different ideas and schedules we come up with. We would all be fired if WE were in charge.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: First, 24 airs after football is over on Sundays. This past week's demo wasn't all that impressive. You're right. All programs are down year to year. In fact, House is one of the biggest droppers and has suffered from all of these constant moves. A move to Thursday would make Fox competitive, but the network is already doing that with Bones. Why in the world do they need to change that, so you have something to watch on Sundays? Finally, Bones and House are needed to help out two other nights of the week, especially in the fall for Fox. Fringe may need House once again next fall. I'm sure Fox is hoping not, but there's a good chance for it. Kitchen Nightmares was a good counter programming option this fall, but no lead in on a new night was a very very poor decision. Fox should've just gave up on Thursdays this fall.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: By the time 24 hits the ground Running, Football is mostly done and Sundays become a non factor. And don't most 24 Season Premieres start on Sundays and do well in the ratings?
The reason the Animation block needs to move is that their ratings have really taken a hit over the past year. They still do decent numbers, but nothing like they use too.
This year, Simpsons and Family Guy get in the rang of 8 million viewers and about a 4.0 in the demo, on average.
Last fall, both were getting well over 10 million viewers and a mid 5 rating in the demo.
I know, I know.... most shows have been dropping year-to-year, but that is a pretty big drop (bigger than usual for hit shows), plus it started last Winter, not just this fall.
A move to Thursdays would instanly make FOX not pnly competitive, but a major player on the Highest HUT level night of the week. It's core audience, teens and young adults, would be perfect for the Weekend ad blitz that Thursday shows attract.
Yes, this would make Sundays a little more vulnerable, but a lot of us have been saying to put Bones and House on those nights (8pm and 9pm, respectively). Plus, development is key, each and every season, to fill the holes.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: I know. To me, something like House and even 24 on Sundays won't work because they probably share more football audience than the animated comedies do. We know the animated comedies don't share much of that audience because their audiences go down as the season goes along. Hopefully if anything is done this year, it will be Fox not doing the stupid new then repeat scheduling for the last 3 months of the year. God that drove me nuts last year.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: In this economy and in this industry, no network could get sold. But, CBS does need to be brought into a larger corporation that is more diverse.
That is what makes CBS the stock to follow with respect to being able to see the true health of broadcast television. All of the other networks are wrapped into giant conglomerates that somewhat blunt the rise and fall in the health of the TV marketplace. CBS, on the other hand, is the most viewed network with some of the strongest affiliates as the core of its business. So, CBS stock is the best reflection of the state of the TV business.
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The split from Viacom was not a smart idea by Redstone.
Yep. I think they knew it was a mistake shortly afterwards, too, which is why there started being rumors that they would merge back together. It is probably too late for that now, but CBS still needs to find a merge partner of some sort. Perhaps Microsoft or Google, since the future of 'broadcast' TV is going to be through internet delivery.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I agree FOX should have left is Thursday lineup as it was last Spring (5th grader & DFTL) It was doing well there.
I agree as well. FOX really messed up with that move and it should have been clear to them that it would be a mistake before they made it.
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This is one of the great, fun things about this forum. All the different ideas and schedules we come up with. We would all be fired if WE were in charge.
Along those lines, I think it would absolutely kill the FOX animated lineup to move it to Thursday. Anyone that made that move would definitely be fired afterwards.
I don't think putting the animated comedies on Thursday is a good idea at all. It's doing well on Sundays. They have a steady viewership and decent numbers. The animation audience is also trained to watch animation on Sundays. There is no evidence that viewership would increase when moved over to Thursday. In fact, the opposite is likely to happen when up against Survivor, Grey's Anatomy, and the NBC comedies.
Bones/House on Sundays is also not a good idea, in my opinion. The audience that would watch that is wathcing football at that time. Both would strugle to get the viewership the animated comedies are getting and demos would be lower.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
A move to Thursdays would instanly make FOX not pnly competitive, but a major player on the Highest HUT level night of the week. It's core audience, teens and young adults, would be perfect for the Weekend ad blitz that Thursday shows attract.
Yes, this would make Sundays a little more vulnerable, but a lot of us have been saying to put Bones and House on those nights (8pm and 9pm, respectively). Plus, development is key, each and every season, to fill the holes.
K&K is only on the schedule because they don't have any other comedies ready. It won't be on the schedule when the Amy Poehler comedy debuts, so to me it is just holding a spot.
KR is still the schedule in the burnoff spot. NBC shouldn't put something that has potential against Idol, so it is a perfect placement. Once Idol is done or something else is ready (whichever comes first), so should KR.
Life is coming back in its spot because there isn't anything else to stick there. If the Tony Robbins projects gets fast tracked, I could see that Wednesdays at 8 PM, Life coming back at 9 PM and then Law and Order. By Fall of 2009, NBC will put one of their procedurals in development there or expand Tony Robbins to two hours.
Chuck/Heroes isn't going to do amazing, but what else does NBC have? They have the Philanthropist and Kings but those are both likely Sunday candidates. If the global dancing show hits, they could always attempt to fast track another season and stick it there. Although going against DWTS would be a huge barrier. Right now it's the best.
I agree that the schedule needs improvement, but for what they have, this is actually very good. Much better than all the rumored ABC schedules that had huge holes and they were just dumping series to ruin them.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: This NBC schedule really sucks if you ask me. I don't really know what to think of their Mondays, but I do know Chuck and Heroes will get crushed by House/24. Kath and Kim, Knight Rider, and Life do not deserve the time slots they are keeping. Fridays from at least 8 to 10 will remain bleak.
SW's ratings will also depend on how well The Bachelor does. SW is still very lead in dependent. If The Bachelor returns to low ratings, then SW is going to suffer even larger loses than expected.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Here is what Samantha Who? did last year AFTER DWTS was off.
Dec 03, 2007: 7.16 Million viewers and 2.9 Demo (new) Dec 10, 2007: 6.71 Million viewers and 2.8 Demo (new)
SW was then pulled and didn't air again until february
Jan 28, 2008: 3.80 Million viewers and 1.1 Demo (R)
Was pulled again and didnt appear until April 7, after DWTS
I would expect SW to grab about 5-6 million viewers (tops) and a low 2 rating in the demo
This schedule is not better than the ABC schedule. ABC will help their Wednesday and probably their Thursday with their lineup. They'll have a Monday that at least has the Bachelor this year. Tuesdays are the only really iffy night out of that deal. If NBC really cared about Chuck, they would move it to Thursdays at 8 and ship Earl to Tuesdays behind 90 minute Biggest Loser eps. 2 hour editions of Dateline could fill Wednesdays from 8 to 10 with Rosie Live perhaps taking over one hour later on. Fridays could be Knight Rider, Life, and Criminal Intent repeats or pull KR and Life and throw in Most Outrageous Moments and another Dateline from 8 to 10. I think Heroes should go to Sundays at 9 the week after the Superbowl with Friday Night Lights at 8, Dateline or DOND or Howie's new show at 7 and newcomer Kings at 10. Use the Superbowl as a promotional plat form. Mondays could then be DOND or that new Howie Show, the Apprentice (after Momma's Boy is done), and Medium. Saturdays could then be burn off of other programs and movies.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: I don't think putting the animated comedies on Thursday is a good idea at all. It's doing well on Sundays. They have a steady viewership and decent numbers. The animation audience is also trained to watch animation on Sundays. There is no evidence that viewership would increase when moved over to Thursday. In fact, the opposite is likely to happen when up against Survivor, Grey's Anatomy, and the NBC comedies.
Bones/House on Sundays is also not a good idea, in my opinion. The audience that would watch that is wathcing football at that time. Both would strugle to get the viewership the animated comedies are getting and demos would be lower.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
A move to Thursdays would instanly make FOX not pnly competitive, but a major player on the Highest HUT level night of the week. It's core audience, teens and young adults, would be perfect for the Weekend ad blitz that Thursday shows attract.
Yes, this would make Sundays a little more vulnerable, but a lot of us have been saying to put Bones and House on those nights (8pm and 9pm, respectively). Plus, development is key, each and every season, to fill the holes.
