Personally, I think Gilmore Girls has just lost it creatively.
And that's why it's a bad idea to renew--the show is on its last legs, and unlikely to rebound next year. Sure, they're going to correct the most glaring single mistake they made, marrying Lorelei to Christopher. But there's no undoing an error like that. The character has no credibility now. She's not the smart sassy flawed person she was in the beginning. She's ALL flaws now. I don't LIKE Lorelei Gilmore anymore. And I liked her a hell of a lot a year ago.
But ASP was going in this direction as well. So that storyline is not necessarily the new writers' fault. You're right, though. She IS different. She needs to get away from Christopher. That will be the true test: if she is still acting strange when she divorces Christopher, then we'll know something's definitely wrong.
Posts: 302 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 29 January 2007
Originally posted by Vic De Salvo: I like Veronica Mars and can see that it's ratings are pretty bad. That said, unless the CW picks up a lot of pilots this season, what are they going to keep? Reba's already gone. 7th Heaven looks finished. GG is probably done b/c Bledel and Graham probably don't want to come back. OTH had even worse #s than VM last week. Something has to stay, right?
Well...looking at what is on the CW at the moment, there are several shows which I think will stay..
Smallville, Supernatural, Everybody Hates Chris, America's Next Top Model, Beauty and the Geek, and possibly Friday Night Smackdown.
Please feel free to correct me on this anyone. I am sure that there are more shows that they will keep.
Peace!!
Yeah, those shows will be back. I hate to say it, but OTH will probably make it too. Dawn has already acknowledged how she feels about the show and how well it does in the 18-34 demo, despite AI slaughtering it these past few weeks. If OTH continues to be beaten to a bloody pulp, then she might consider. I doubt it. 7th Heaven could possibly return as well. The 7-8 hour with Reba will be gone, possibly the 9-10 hour on Sunday, an hour(or possibly hour and a half)on Monday, and the 9-10 slot on Tuesday if VM goes. That's at least 4 and a half hours freed up right there.
Posts: 87 | Location: Spokane, WA | Registered: 15 January 2007
pisher, I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with you here. This actually hurts, spiritually, mentally, physically, whatever. However, I do have to agree. The CW putting all its eggs in the 18-34 demo basket is a big mistake and I think one that is costing them viewership. One, like you said, it is the younger growd that goes out later at night, and 2 with the population growing older, not much sense in trying to snag the diminishing young.
Yeah, that IS rather small-minded. I wish they would have one or two, or even three, nights where they focus on that core demographic, and the rest of the time should be filled in with more viewer-friendly programming, programming that can be watched by MANY demos. I guess it's a slippery slope.
Posts: 302 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 29 January 2007
I agree...the best House episodes are when they break out of the typical "medical show mode" that it usually follows.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: Am I wrong, or was last night's House the top scripted episode of the season in viewers and A18-49? CSI "only" hit 26 million viewers once, and the Grey's season premiere was "only" 11.0 in the demo.
Amazing episode, too. When House breaks away from its formula, which it seems to do once or twice a season, it goes from a great show to an amazing show.
Posts: 133 | Location: Ann Arbor, MI | Registered: 10 October 2006
Originally posted by tknowzbest: Ratingswise, I'd keep GG around if I could based on few other choices to anchor Tuesdays. Ditto goes for 7th Heaven on Sundays. Both shows have low ratings now, but renewing them - as some cannot seem to understand - is NOT about ratings.
It's still about ratings, though, because when you are looking to anchor a night, you are looking for shows that can get higher ratings. You want to get the best ratings possible, so you want a good anchor show that can help you do that.
Posts: 302 | Location: Indiana | Registered: 29 January 2007
Originally posted by tknowzbest: But GG can't have that. The series has already been ruined and no "big returns" could help. Milo is done -- he said he'll never be back. And they can't get Jared back. That's pretty much it for any big characters that came on later, and that were well-liked.
Jared has said he'd love to come back to the show for a guest appearance. It would be really hard for him though because he works crazy hours on Supernatural. If he could work it out, I'd love see him back on Gilmore Girls at least in some small way, especially if this is the last season. His character was a big part of the show for the first 5 seasons and I really hated the way they wrote him off.
Posts: 258 | Location: New York | Registered: 28 November 2006
Wednesday- 8-America's Next Top Model/Beauty And The Geek 9-One Tree Hill/Possibly share this slot with a mid season show?
Thursday- 8-Smallville 9-Supernatural
Friday- 8-Smackdown
Sunday- 7-NEW SHOW(1 hour show or 2 new half hours?) 8-7th Heaven 9-NEW SHOW
That's 6 or 7 new shows. If the CW can find 6 or 7 worthy new shows, kudos to them. Somehow, though, I doubt that they will do this, especially based upon their lack of success this year.
The CW can't afford both GG and 7th Heaven. My guess is one of them will return. Don't forget Hidden Palms as well. If that show has decent ratings, it could knock OTH off of next year's lineup. I also don't think they'll cancel 3 Monday comedies. I'd say that All of Us has a good shot at a renewal as it holds virtually all of its Chris lead in. I'd also doubt we'd get an original program on Sunday at 7 next year. We're more likely to see Top Model repeats or maybe a beginnings franchise in that hour. For those of you who don't know about beginnings, it was a repeat franchise that aired on the WB in that hour which aired early episodes (season 1 and sometimes 2) of shows in their 3rd or 4th season. Beginnings used to do well with programs like GG, 7th Heaven, and Smallville.
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Originally posted by Barrybgb: Marc, what about this proposed schedule for 2007-2008 on the CW:
Monday- 8-Everybody Hates Chris 8:30-NEW SHOW 9:00-NEW SHOW 9:30-NEW SHOW
Yeah, that may be too many new shows. CW wants new shows, so I figure I would give it to them. Lol. Possibly put All Of Us back on Monday night, and maybe one of the hours on Sunday. So, maybe 4 or 5 new shows?. I'm sure the CW would want more than just 2 like this past season. But we know the CW has no success in launching new shows, and their taste in material is questionable. I don't see any of their mid season shows(Pussycat Dolls, Crowned, or even Hidden Palms)making it.
Posts: 87 | Location: Spokane, WA | Registered: 15 January 2007
Originally posted by tknowzbest: Unlike 7th Heaven, Gilmore Girls cannot have an easy "comeback" year because they've never lost any of the original cast members. In season 8 of 7th Heaven, there was only Lucy/Ruthie and a HUGE amount of Camden-wannabes (Cecilia, Chandler, Roxanne, Peter, Paris, Vic...). Then, in season 9 the show rebounded wonderfully when Matt and Simon came back for most of the season and the show's creativeness returned once all the Camden-wannabes (except Martin) were tossed out.
That's your opinion. My opinion was that both season 8 and season 9, and season 10 for that matter, suffered from the same problem--supporting characters became the focus of the show. The main character, Rev. Camden, was stuck out on the periphery. Plus the ratings continually dropped from season 8 onward. So your perceived wonderful rebound of season 9 was not born out by the ratings. Viewers still tuned out.
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But GG can't have that. The series has already been ruined and no "big returns" could help. Milo is done -- he said he'll never be back. And they can't get Jared back. That's pretty much it for any big characters that came on later, and that were well-liked.
So, you don't like it. Fair enough. I'm no fan of GG either. But you can't deny that it's still doing fairly well ratingswise. Ratings are down year to year, but they have been steady throughout the season, even now going up against American Idol. Compare that to 7th Heaven, which was finally showing signs of life during the first half of the season, only to throw it all way by going back to centering on the younger, supporting characters. Can 7th Heaven be fixed? Sure. Will it be fixed? I'm not holding my breath.
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Ratingswise, I'd keep GG around if I could based on few other choices to anchor Tuesdays. Ditto goes for 7th Heaven on Sundays. Both shows have low ratings now, but renewing them - as some cannot seem to understand - is NOT about ratings.
No, it's not always about ratings. It's about money. Right now, The CW is hemorraging cash big time. They need Gilmore Girls, as you've stated, as an anchor show. But, probably more importantly to The CW, Gilmore Girls still has its hip image, although it's fading fast. Dawn Ostroff feels that Veronica Mars still has that hip image. And it's that hip, young, edgy image that The CW is selling to advertisers. That's what brings them a premium. 7th Heaven doesn't fit that image, which is why the show is dead. When the network president publicly states that she'd be surprised if the show returned in the fall, that means it's toast.
I read the pilot for The Return of Jezebel Jones (Amy Sherman Palladino's new show), and it's terrific. Too bad for the CW that they burnt that bridge b/c I think the show would do very well for that network. The pilot's over at Fox now, and I'm not sure if it will find a big enough of an audience over there, but I hope it does.
Originally posted by NYotov: If Hidden Palms premieres at OTH's timeslot I doubt it would draw good numbers,because of AI.
Can't wait for ANTM to return and help OTH.
Is AI 2 hours on Wednesday?. Is it always going to be 2 hours?. If so, ANTM may suffer a bit from Idol as well. It might not. If it does, it may not give OTH as big a jump as it has in the past this season. It will undoubtedly do better than BATG, but will ANTM be immune from AI?.
Posts: 87 | Location: Spokane, WA | Registered: 15 January 2007
i don't think anyone thinks House is riding Idol's coattails -- it does very well in the fall -- which makes me wonder why Fox doesn't move it to another night. viewers will follow.
