Originally posted by TV-aholic: With exception of Numb3rs (a Friday Show) most of the remaining 10pm shows that draw LESS thw 10 million are, at best, considered borderline renewal for next season. (DSM, Journeyman, Cane, Life, Big Shots, Casmier Mafia, Las Vegas)
Of those, Las Vegas is probably the most likely to get renewed, but it would not surprise me to see them all cancelled.
Aside form your viewers comparison, DEMO is also important. ER performs even better when looking at demo. It is by no means the best show out there, but once again NBC is faced with lots of empty slots to fill and only so many shows in development. Then again, maybe NBC will just give up on scripted programming and go with an almost all DoND lineup mixed with a few hours of The Biggest Loser, American Gladiators, Apprentice, and such.
Perhaps if they just renamed the show to Law & Order: ER, it might be able to attract another 4-5 million viewers.
Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen: So, as it should be, that celebrity rehab crap drew quite low (1.82 mil). Not good, right?
It didn't perform as well as the dating crap that permeates VH1, but I think for VH1 standards, it probably did well. Still, that is the kind of show that takes some word of mouth to catch on. Success will all depend on whether or not the cool couch potatoes are watching or not.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Perhaps if they just renamed the show to Law & Order: ER, it might be able to attract another 4-5 million viewers.
I'm actually surprised that they haven't added a regular lawyer character. That slant was one of the best things Chicago Hope ever had going for it. Even Scrubs knows that medicine and lawsuits go hand in hand.
Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen: So, as it should be, that celebrity rehab crap drew quite low (1.82 mil). Not good, right?
For cable/VH1, not too bad. Perhaps "Above Average".
Even though I think the show is trash and a terrible way to just make money off of people's misery, I wanted to see how it would do on such a weird night for VH1. It is not like their usual Sunday/Monday, and it airs later than usual and on a Thursday. I actually expected less than a million.
On the serious side, IF ER is to see another season, NBC will need it to become a lot cheaper to justify its lower numbers in recent seasons, and sudden lack of repeatability.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: On the serious side, IF ER is to see another season, NBC will need it to become a lot cheaper to justify its lower numbers in recent seasons, and sudden lack of repeatability.
ER has cut costs several times already. No reason to believe that it would not do so again. The show turns over actors regularly and the two big stars that started this year are already set to leave so it isn't like the show will need to have a high licencing fee.
I keep seeing people claim that ER is still extremely expensive, but the claims seem to be based upon 'old data' and hunches.
I think ER should get another season on NBC, or at least move to USA, like Law and Order: CI did, and show show second run episodes on NBC. Or if it did get another season on NBC, it should move timeslots. It just doesnt fit well with NBC's comedy line-up.
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Originally posted by yankeesrj12: I think ER should get another season on NBC, or at least move to USA, like Law and Order: CI did, and show show second run episodes on NBC. Or if it did get another season on NBC, it should move timeslots. It just doesnt fit well with NBC's comedy line-up.
Since its on NBC, it will, more than likely, get another season. But it should ONLY be on NBC. placing it on USA is not the way to go for a legendary series.
Perhaps it should follow Law & Order's lead, and be held back for Midsaeson. Give the viewers a little WANTING of the series and build anticipation
Originally posted by nyctvdramaqueen: Even though I think the show is trash and a terrible way to just make money off of people's misery, I wanted to see how it would do on such a weird night for VH1.
According to the data exmalibu just posted in the pif rating data forum, it was the #1 cable show last night in 18-49. So, yes, it is a success.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Since its on NBC, it will, more than likely, get another season. But it should ONLY be on NBC. placing it on USA is not the way to go for a legendary series.
I think it was a mistake for them to do that with L&O:CI. the writer's strike has helped it look like less of a mistake. However, the L&O stuff repeats better than ER anyway, so I don't see how running reruns of ER as the only form of ER on NBC would work.
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Perhaps it should follow Law & Order's lead, and be held back for Midsaeson. Give the viewers a little WANTING of the series and build anticipation
Running ER uninterrupted (like 24 or Lost planned) is a good idea and one that NBC has sort of already figured out. They just can't find anything to pair with it and instead they toss out failed attempts and comedy reruns that just drive viewers away from NBC in that timeslot permanently.
I could see a split timeslot of ER and original L&O working there, but NBC has too many schedule holes to fill for them to double up the two shows. More than likely, L&O will get a full season order next year.
ABC is terminating developmental deals because of the on-going strike, according to the Hollywood Reporter.
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ABC Studios on Friday afternoon became the first TV studio to terminate overall deals under the force majeure provision in its producers' deals.
In a major house-cleaning sweep, close to 30 writing and nonwriting producers -- most of them well-known -- who don't have active projects have been axed. The list includes the writing duos of Joshua Sternin and Jeffrey Ventimilia, as well as Gabe Sachs and Jeff Judah, director Larry Charles, producer Sean Bailey, the producing team of Nina Wass and Gene Stein, writers Jack Kenney and Bill Callahan and actor-producer Taye Diggs, who landed a producing deal a year ago when he signed on to star on the ABC/ABC Studios drama "Private Practice."
"The ongoing strike has had a significant detrimental impact on development and production so we are forced to make the difficult decision to release a number of talented, respected individuals from their development deals," an ABC Studios spokeswoman said late Friday.
While force majeure action by TV studios had been inevitable as the writers strike entered its third month, few expected that many deals to be axed at a single studio.
Rumors are that Warner Bros. TV will terminate about 5-6 overall pacts next week, with other TV studios expected to follow.
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Originally posted by Time Shifter: AD is an apt comparison: decent shows that gets awards and have very devoted followers but with limited audiences. They might have been more successful on Showtime or HBO. But, the networks stick with some of these well-reviewed cult shows in the hope that they will be the next Cheers or Seinfeld and become hits after floundering.
The theory is shows like Arrested Development and 30 Rock only have small niche audiences because the characters are unlikable. I think that's only part of it. After all, Seinfeld's characters were unlikable (as made blatantly clear in its finale for everyone who didn't want to acknowledge it over the years).
What Seinfeld did was make its unlikable characters recognizable and relatable. Everyone knew people with some characteristics shown by George, Elaine, etc and believed/feared they shared many of the characteristics and found themselves in similar situations. It was largely a show about embarrassment, a very old comedy staple.
Yes, there is very funny writing on Arrested Development and 30 Rock. But the characters are so over the top, the situations they find themselves in are so out there and the whiff of hatred for people permeates the shows so much, funniness is not enough of a positive for the majority of the potential audience to come back to the shows once they've sampled them. (Hmm, I've just described quite a few sketch comedy shows.)
Arrested Development is finished of course, but 30 Rock still has time to fix things. Depends on if it's temperamentally possible for Tina Fey to do so.
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