No Office chatter today? Nice uptick from last week! Not sharing the hour with 30 Rock helps. To finish within 0.6 of CSI and within two points of Grey's in the demo, and to build on last year's finale numbers (which not many shows are going to do this year, especially against increased competition) is a pretty strong third place indeed.
And a typically strong finale for one of the few shows that didn't flounder creatively after the strike... with the possible exception of last week's episode.
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Originally posted by robert: Such a sad day today for millions and millions of fans. They have to say goodbye to Moonlight. Total eclipse do you have your tissue ready?
Just curious. Do you know if the episode was written to give fans closure?
As far as i know the episode was filmed both as a season ender but also as a sereies ender
Every single episode--you just weren't very clear. Honestly, I think they rarely show people in the fleet talking about what needs to be talked about--like they still haven't grasped that the human-looking Cylons are flesh and blood like them. They still call them 'toasters', partly to dehumanize the enemy (which is human enough a thing to do), but more importantly because they can't bring themselves to deal with the implications of the fact that a human and a 'toaster' can have sex and make a baby. They never talk about that. And they need to.
That's really the best response you've got left?
You must be getting tired.
I'm just getting warmed up. But I'm away for the weekend in less than two hours. Don't you want to make just ONE valid point before this delightful exchange of views concludes?
Originally posted by robert: Such a sad day today for millions and millions of fans. They have to say goodbye to Moonlight. Total eclipse do you have your tissue ready?
I watch it, but I don't know that I would call myself a fan. The only thing I will miss is never getting a resolution of Coraline's story with her brothers and Louis XVI. I'm sure that would have been cracktastic.
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Originally posted by:metal I'm really glad Supernatural scored a bigger number for this season finale than last years! If only the CW would show more than a promo per week, Supernatural could be a good show for them! The episode was great too. No goodbye speech. If this is my last day on Earth, I don't want it to be socially awkward. Big Grin You gotta love Dean!
Who doesn't love Dean? I wish SPN could have broken 3 million, but it will have to do. Great episode. I'm very glad that Kripke & co. stuck with the deal and didn't have some goofy, last-minute exploding vampire. Take care of my wheels *chuckles*
Amy Ryan is incredibly hot, and I hope her character's arc doesn't end too soon, though her movie career makes it highly probable that it will.
I also hope the show itself ends next season. Unlikely, but I'm hoping.
I thought it was a good finale, but they really screwed up by not focusing more on Ryan's fall from power. Maybe it needed to be a two hour finale. Starting at 8pm. Not like anybody's going to miss Earl and 30 Rock.
Just curious. Do you know if the episode was written to give fans closure?
What exactly would constitute closure for a show about a vampire detective trying to atone for a bloody past?
Last I watched, the vampire guy had found a "cure to vampirism" lol and wanted to be human and then he could hook up with the blonde chick. That's closure I guess. No more vampire, no more show!
Originally posted by pisher: I'm away for the weekend in less than two hours. Don't you want to make just ONE valid point before this delightful exchange of views concludes?
I would, but you probably wouldn't understand it. How did you not understand that I was contrasting "people" in BSG who behave realistically, and freak out when something extra-ordinary happens, to the robots on 'Lost' island?
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Originally posted by robert: Rob Estes has joined 90210. Maybe he'll bring some Melrose Place fans with him to CW. Although i doubt that the age of those fans will give CW any help in thei target demos
There is also the rumor going around about Shannon D joining. Jenny Garth even said she would work with her. (granted I was MUCH younger when 90210 aired but I thought that was one of the reasons why she was let go - they couldn't get along) Saw the preview last night music just brings you right back. Geez between 90210 returning and NKOTB doing their comeback tour it's like I'm kid again!
Hi Pisher - It would be good to leave ML open ended (I liked how they did angel, buffy was eh ok) but based on the previews Beth and Mike are having issues, I would hate to have the series end with her not being with him - don't expect love being declared (too soon for that) but don't want the last thing ever said on the show is her saying she can't do this anymore (as she says in the preview).
Originally posted by galveston: Glad to see Supernatural ticked back up. Seeing Dean suspended and impaled on the meat hooks in the last shot was....eeeewwwww.....did that episode push all the right emotional buttons or what? Dean making Sam sing Bon Jovi's "Dead or Alive" with him in the car on his last day on Earth? Only SPN would go there and make it work.
Supernatural continues to outshine Smallville at every opportunity. It's just gotten sad. Yes, I want the 8 p.m. slot for Supernatural. I admit it.
I know. I teared a bit when Sam started singing along! The boys break my heart.
I couldn't agree with the two of you more. Kripke managed to again skillfully walk that tightrope of humor, angst, gore, sadness, horror and, most of all, engrossing family dynamics (and not just the brother moments, which were plentiful and funny and heartbreaking and true, but also Bobby "do I look like a ditchable prom date to you" and "family don't end with blood, boy" Singer). Jensen, Jared and Jim Beaver were all at the top of their games last night, and that is saying something for these three actors.
Hey, if I applied that standard to you, you'd have never gotten a response--which you clearly wanted.
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I don't know about that. You're the one making large posts.
Yeah, large for someone at a pre-school reading level.
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I actually agree with that. But in Lost's case latelly, it's been more of a plot as a substitute for character than anything else. I enjoy BSG's balance more even though it gets boring sometimes.
There have been times I preferred BSG, and other times I preferred Lost, but one mistake Lost never made was to do a lot of standalones, a form neither show does terribly well, but BSG does it the worst of any show on the air.
In fact, the closest thing to a Lost standalone I can think of is that piece of crap ep about Nikki and Paolo. I think the Lost people had a better grasp of the form they were working with--BSG kept trying to mix things up, to cover up the fact that they really only had a few miniseries' worth of story.
Lost also did a much better job bringing in new characters in mid-show--Ben, Juliette--they really added something. Name a single BSG character worth talking about who wasn't already there by the end of S2.
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As a college student i'm used to having a LOT of material to read,
And it's ALL interesting? Or do you simply blow it off after a few paragraphs if they don't punctuate it with a few explosions and maybe a sex scene or two?
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so if I were to read everything I come across to, like some of your posts, there'd be no spare time for me.
Well, seeing as you have absolutely nothing interesting to say, that's no great tragedy for either of us, now is it?
Rob Estes is the name CW needed. He was the only thing watchable on WMC and they hope that the Melrose Place and the ABC WMC fans will flock to 90210. There are rumors that Ian Ziering and Luke Perry will also be reoccuring guest stars on the show. 90210 is going after names which is exactly what I said they had to do in order for it to work.
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Originally posted by robert: Rob Estes has joined 90210. Maybe he'll bring some Melrose Place fans with him to CW. Although i doubt that the age of those fans will give CW any help in thei target demos
How did you not understand that I was contrasting "people" in BSG who behave realistically, and freak out when something extra-ordinary happens, to the robots on 'Lost' island?
Because it was such an incredibly obtuse point to make, I just assumed that couldn't be what you meant? The way I interpreted it, at least it kinda halfway made sense. But I guess that should have let me know I was misconstruing your point. Simply by virtue of assuming you had one.
Last I watched, the vampire guy had found a "cure to vampirism" lol and wanted to be human and then he could hook up with the blonde chick. That's closure I guess. No more vampire, no more show!
Yeah, and may I just say, what an original idea for the end of a show about an immortal protagonist, that bears no resemblance whatsoever to Forever Knight, Highlander, Angel, or New Amsterdam (which was ripping off the same shows ML was, to similarly unimpressive results).
Moral: If you want your show to live forever, don't make it about a man who lives forever.
Originally posted by Zitrone: About the ratings, it is interesting to see Lost fans happy with numbers falling to levels similar to Heroes.
Heroes is a top 10 demo show and so is Lost. Most shows would kill to get such ratings. What is there not to be proud of?
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They have a story, it just doesn't make any sense since the group was artificially divided at the start of the season.
I've no end of problems with Lost, but that complaint makes no sense to me. What would have constituted an organic division of the group?
Not so much "What" but "How long". At least three-four episodes should have been devoted to tensions in that group, who stayed together since the crash.
Instead we got "Hey, you go that way, I go that way, by the way we are enemies now!", with everyone behaving like robots in order to put people where writers want them.
I agree. That bugged me. Also, Claire not grieving Charlie at all. Like I said before, there's no character drama anymore. Only "plot drama". And they're pulling things and telling the audience they were always there. I don't buy that. It's obvious they decided them later on. It was so obvious in the ep "The other woman". Also, Ben was to be in 3, 4 episodes when he first appeared. Are we supposed to belive he was always intended to be such a key in the mistery? Come on.
Anyone who watched Season 3 knows that fissures were starting to develop in lostie camp around the second half of season 3 when Jack comes back from Othertown. They devoted an entire episode to grieve about Charlie. It is ridiculous to expect Claire crying every episode especially when the actors get very little screentime and to waste Claire's screentime on Charlie for the whole season would have gotten on people's nerves... remember Michael's "WAAALLLTTTTTT!!!!!" screems in Season 2
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And they're pulling things and telling the audience they were always there. I don't buy that. It's obvious they decided them later on. It was so obvious in the ep "The other woman".
The only thing is that we have known about existence of some of these things or they have atleast alluded to them for quite some time. The station in The Other woman was always there because last season they showed that Ben killed the Dharma Initiative by gassing the island. With that in mind it is a natural conclusion that he used a Dharma station to do it. The Orchid station which was shown yesterday was first referenced last summer with the Orientation video of that station. I'm sure that there is some stuff they just put in their for the sake of convenience (like Ben finding that mirror under the rock in yesterday's episode) but the bigger stuff including all the station is planned.
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Also, Ben was to be in 3, 4 episodes when he first appeared. Are we supposed to belive he was always intended to be such a key in the mistery? Come on.
The actor who plays Ben was supposed to be there for only 3-4 episodes not the character the producers have said that if they had not been impressed by Michael Emerson they would have had another actor who would serve the role of Ben.
Originally posted by robert: Rob Estes has joined 90210. Maybe he'll bring some Melrose Place fans with him to CW. Although i doubt that the age of those fans will give CW any help in thei target demos
There is also the rumor going around about Shannon D joining. Jenny Garth even said she would work with her. (granted I was MUCH younger when 90210 aired but I thought that was one of the reasons why she was let go - they couldn't get along) Saw the preview last night music just brings you right back. Geez between 90210 returning and NKOTB doing their comeback tour it's like I'm kid again!
Hi Pisher - It would be good to leave ML open ended (I liked how they did angel, buffy was eh ok) but based on the previews Beth and Mike are having issues, I would hate to have the series end with her not being with him - don't expect love being declared (too soon for that) but don't want the last thing ever said on the show is her saying she can't do this anymore (as she says in the preview).
Ditto on the deja vu with NKOTB and 90210 - except in my case, it's back to highschool. With Nirvana and Pearl Jam playing in the background, and I'm 16 again! As for Moonlight - I am very much against the soapy romance, which is the very thing that attracted all those desperate housewives (who usually limit themselves to daytime dramas) that are now jumping off the deep end over the cancellation. I really wanted them to back off the romance, tone it down and focus on the vampire world and mythology, plus improving the procedural elements of the show. I'm hoping the other promo we've seen doesn't mean Mick and Beth seal the deal, because I'll puke!
Nice uptick from last week! Not sharing the hour with 30 Rock helps. To finish within 0.6 of CSI and within two points of Grey's in the demo, and to build on last year's finale numbers (which not many shows are going to do this year, especially against increased competition) is a pretty strong third place indeed.
