Originally posted by metal: I don't however worry about the CW beyond SN's run. They did nothing as a network to earn my respect.
1. Supernatural is not a big enough hit to cripple the CW. 2. Supernatural fans have nothing to complain about. They air after one of the highest rated shows on the network and have been in the same timeslot from the spring of its first season on the WB.
1. I did not say SN was a big enough hit to cripple the CW. No show alone on the CW is at this point. What I said is that I don't care about the CW. I care about SN. 2. I can complain all I want. Just because you don't understand my complaints, it doesn't mean I can't do it. The CW was never about fairness. As a fan of Reaper, you should understand that. But you have the right to worship the CW. And I have the right to think it's a joke.
Well -- we want Supernatural to get to season 5, don't we?
No lie. As long as Kripke can complete the five year plan he has for Supernatural, the CW can crash and burn. Not that I don't feel sorry for the people who would lose their jobs, but insisting on such a narrow demographic in 18-34 is dooming the network to ruin. All Warner cares about is getting the DVD/syndication revenue out of SPN, SV, and OTH at this point.
I think it will get the five. Next year is four and by the time season five gets through I'd say the storyline will probably have run dry and already po'd a few fans here or there. I totally agree also on the CW's 18-34 branding. While its ok to say we would like to do well in that demo, the better answer would be we'd like 12-49 year olds. I honestly think an expanded age bracket would help them. Its almost like they've tried to become MTV on broadcast or something. Never ever were the WB or UPN shows (regardless of how younger skewing they really were) targeted in such a cheap, unrealistic, and unprofessional way.
I think you should look at all the programming UPN and the WB put out and rethink that assessment. Sure they had good material, but they also produced a tremendous amount of cheap utter crap programming.
Well -- we want Supernatural to get to season 5, don't we?
No lie. As long as Kripke can complete the five year plan he has for Supernatural, the CW can crash and burn. Not that I don't feel sorry for the people who would lose their jobs, but insisting on such a narrow demographic in 18-34 is dooming the network to ruin. All Warner cares about is getting the DVD/syndication revenue out of SPN, SV, and OTH at this point.
I think it will get the five. Next year is four and by the time season five gets through I'd say the storyline will probably have run dry and already po'd a few fans here or there. I totally agree also on the CW's 18-34 branding. While its ok to say we would like to do well in that demo, the better answer would be we'd like 12-49 year olds. I honestly think an expanded age bracket would help them. Its almost like they've tried to become MTV on broadcast or something. Never ever were the WB or UPN shows (regardless of how younger skewing they really were) targeted in such a cheap, unrealistic, and unprofessional way.
I think you should look at all the programming UPN and the WB put out and rethink that assessment. Sure they had good material, but they also produced a tremendous amount of cheap utter crap programming.
I'm not talking about cheap programming. I'm talking about the marketing of the CW compared to its predecessors. Granted UPN's marketing was never great but it at least was respectable. Here we get ugly green, no promotion on other networks, and no theme.
Oh, on promotion I think UPN (especially its last 7 years) is quite similar to the CW (green color scheme not with standing. As far as where the advertise, how the advertise, promos cut for a nights programming, promos cut for each episodes preview, ect.
I believe its the same people doing it (though I could be in error). The difference is that UPN typically didn't go much for the female market (except for the female urban market). Its biggest problem was the each night of TV fit a completely different demo group. And as such it was never able to take cross promote to their own advantage. Its one of the primary reasons that they are trying to make the shows have crossover appeal on all the nights.
The juggling act (of which I lack confidence in them) is to do it in a way that keeps the shows true to themselves (and it isn't easy).
Advertising is the one thing, that the WB excelled at. And was able to build a small but solid base of shows, that generally appealed to the same age group (and typically gender) that the CW is shooting for. But with a lot worse results.
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Yes. Veronica Mars ending without a finale was not CW's fault. The fault lies 100% with a producer/creator refusing to write in an ending because he was too busy trying to force feed the network on a Veronica Mars FBI flash forward.
I have to agree there. It was completely the fault of VM's producer. He knew VM was most likely ending, and he didn't cover his bases. Much as I love to blame the CW, I can't in this circumstance.
Supernatural rose to 3 million in the finals?? EXCELLENT! Against CSI's finale, new Grey's and The Office, too. does a happy dance From 2.27 million to 3 million in 4 weeks. I love it.
Yes. Veronica Mars ending without a finale was not CW's fault. The fault lies 100% with a producer/creator refusing to write in an ending because he was too busy trying to force feed the network on a Veronica Mars FBI flash forward.
I have to agree there. It was completely the fault of VM's producer. He knew VM was most likely ending, and he didn't cover his bases. Much as I love to blame the CW, I can't in this circumstance.
Except that CW (or rather, Dawn Ostroff) hired this showrunner, and picked up his show, after it was already a two-time loser at UPN. They entertained his idiotic proposals for an FBI spinoff that could never possibly have worked, letting him think that there was a chance, which motivated him to screw over the show's viewers--and not for the first time.
Ever hear that parable about the scorpion and the frog?
Pisher, I'm not invested in VM one way or the other. The scorpion and the frog? This is TV, not a life lesson. God, you're getting to be a real snooze. Get a new routine, would you?
