I'm not sure why you want to specifically compare Chuck with Terminator only.
Um--because they're the only two action-oriented genre-based dramas that have asskicking hotties as supporting characters that air in that timeslot?
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Anyway your statement about Terminator is not right anyway. Besides the season opener and one really bad week, Terminator has averaged between the mid to low 5 millions all season.
It's gone down quite a bit in the demo, and that's all that's relevant to a show like Chuck--it can't stay on the air very long on the basis of such low overall audience #'s. SCC collapsed, and that helped Chuck over time, to a certain extent--there just isn't a big enough audience for this type of show--certainly not to support two of them in the same timeslot, even of one of them is a dorky spyshow parody, and the other is a dorky attempt to leverage an old Schwarzennegger franchise.
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No one is claiming Chuck is a hit or NBC's best show.
Gee, thanks.
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But everyone knows NBC's shows have struggled this year.
And how many of them get lower ratings than Chuck?
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I don't know if you're upset because your prediction that Chuck would not get ratings better than its season opener was wrong, or this is some Flyer Fly thing.
Oooh, I'm so going to steal that.
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Anyway this is all probably doesn't matter in the long run because I agree with everyone else here that Chuck will get hurt in the ratings when House starts (and apparently DWTS is coming back as well).
> 1975 - 1976 (Households with TV: 69,600,000) RANK SHOW NETWORK ESTIMATED AUDIENCE
1. All in the Family CBS 20,949,600
2. Rich Man, Poor Man ABC 19,488,000 3. Laverne & Shirley ABC 19,140,000 4. Maude CBS 17,400,000 5. The Bionic Woman ABC 17,330,400 6. Phyllis CBS 17,052,000 7. Sanford and Son NBC 16,982,400 8. Rhoda CBS 16,982,400 9. The Six Million Dollar Man ABC 16,912,800 10. ABC Monday Night Movie ABC 16,843,200 11. Happy Days ABC 16,634,400 12. One Day at a Time CBS 16,077,600 13. ABC Sunday Night Movie ABC 16,008,000 14. The Waltons CBS 15,938,400 15. M*A*S*H CBS 15,938,400 16. Starsky and Hutch ABC 15,660,000 17. Good Heavens ABC 15,660,000 18. Welcome Back, Kotter ABC 15,381,600 19. The Mary Tyler Moore Show CBS 15,242,400 20. Kojak CBS 15,172,800 21. The Jeffersons CBS 14,964,000 22. Baretta ABC 14,824,800 23. The Sonny & Cher Show CBS 14,755,200 24. Good Times CBS 14,616,000 25. Chico and The Man NBC 14,476,800 26. The Bob Newhart Show CBS 14,407,200 27. Donny and Marie ABC 14,407,200 28. The Streets of San Francisco ABC 14,407,200 29. The Carol Burnett Show CBS 14,268,000 30. Police Woman NBC 14,059,200
How exactly are they killing Chuck? They leave it in the same timeslot all season, give it a run that is pretty much repeat/interruption free and have allowed it to grow over the season. That sounds exactly the opposite of killing it.
Chuck is doing well. Up almost 2 million from the beginning of the season. Yes the new Mondays will be killer. I do think it would warrant moving both Chuck and Heroes, but I would keep them together. I think Wednesday is a much better placement than Thursday.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: NBC is just killing Chuck, its one show worth watching on Mondays. It really sunk when Heroes did (although by not as much of a percentage). I really think it would be an excellent Thursday 8pm option. Bones isn't all that strong. Ugly Betty is very female and Survivor is no Dancing with the Stars.
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Originally posted by Twins12: How about that? I think we agree on this.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Why is it not a surprise you think this way? House and the comedies didn't hurt each other last time all that much on Mondays. I don't expect that this time either. What is going to do get killed though is Chuck, which in my opinion should be moved to Thursdays in place of dying Earl and the atrocious Kath and Kim. Heroes should get moved as well.
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Originally posted by Twins12: How about this ? I think House takes a hit, and does not get 14 million. I think FOX is making a mistake putting House in such a competitive time slot. Even though I think House will be strong, it will not be as strong as it has been on Tuesday. You would be amazed how loyal a fan base the CBS sitcoms have built. They are about as big a buzz in the TV forums as they have been in the ratings.
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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD: When House moves in, Chuck and the CBS comedies are more likely to experience ratings drops. DWTS skews older and likely doesn't fall in the audience that would watch House.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: When House hits the Monday, 8pm time period, who will get hit the hardest when HOUSE grabs 14 million viewers?
DWtS BBT/HIMYM Chuck
My Hope is that DWtS takes the hit so Chuck and the comedies can continue to grow.
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What? Bones have shown growth over this season and is one of the most reliable players for FOX. It's move to Thursday will kill off the dying UB for good.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Bones isn't all that strong.
NBC isn't killing Chuck. In fact, it's doing the opposite by letting it grow under weak competition. Moving it to Thursdays is a terrible idea. You get rid of MNIE which has been a steady player in that slot and you throw it against Bones and whatever is left of UB when Bones comes in. Not to mention Survivor. Chuck will surely lose ratings.
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Originally posted by Texas Bound: How exactly are they killing Chuck? They leave it in the same timeslot all season, give it a run that is pretty much repeat/interruption free and have allowed it to grow over the season. That sounds exactly the opposite of killing it.
Chuck is doing well. Up almost 2 million from the beginning of the season. Yes the new Mondays will be killer. I do think it would warrant moving both Chuck and Heroes, but I would keep them together. I think Wednesday is a much better placement than Thursday.
NBC isn't killing Chuck. In fact, it's doing the opposite by letting it grow under weak competition.
But no matter how they try to shelter it, the competition won't stay weak indefinitely, and the show won't stay at its current levels once viewers have better options.
I agree. But Chuck isn't nearly strong enough to deal with the increased Thursday competition. No matter how many times the schedule gets rearranged, MNIE is still the strongest show NBC has for that spot.
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But no matter how they try to shelter it, the competition won't stay weak indefinitely, and the show won't stay at its current levels once viewers have better options.
They did. It was called Wednesdays at 8 PM. CBS has to work on that slot before expanding another hour.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Hopefully we can keep the CBS comedies doing well and the network will consider expanding into another hour of comedies.
NBC is just killing Chuck, its one show worth watching on Mondays. It really sunk when Heroes did (although by not as much of a percentage). I really think it would be an excellent Thursday 8pm option. Bones isn't all that strong. Ugly Betty is very female and Survivor is no Dancing with the Stars.
I really like chuck its pretty good, and im pretty sure Thursdays at 8:00 would kill it. during this time last year the show was getting 8mil watching then it aired thursday at 8:00 and got 6.9mil then at 10:00 it got 7.1Mil.
and i think that worst week is really bad i mean 12.2mil is good but behind two and a half men it should do better. i agree, i think Gary unmarried should take its place. maby it will grow like Everybody loves raymond did, when it left fridays.
CBS has to work on that slot before expanding another hour. 
