He does positive spin for ABC and negative for the rest. Someone pointed out that Chuck increased nicely from last week. Vlis was trying to negate this by saying it was just back to week 2 levels.
If the same numbers were an ABC show, he would have just pointed out the week to week increase.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: The Spin Master is back at work.
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Originally posted by vlis: it's back to its week 2 #'s:
Originally posted by RussTC3: Yeah, fairly significant increase for Chuck:
Households - 4.5/7 to 5.0/7 (+11.1%) Viewers - 7.21M to 8.23M (+1.02M/+14.1%) Adults 18-49 - 2.7/7 to 3.2/9 (+18.5%)
I'd say that Chuck's viewer and demo increaees are a positive note. Everyone seems to want to write it off to FOX having baseball this week, but that didn't help the 8pm hour CBS comedies at all.
Originally posted by tvfan300: Chuck did bounce up a bit from last week. If it can stay at a 3 demo rating it will be serviceable.
Two and a Half Men is the only CBS comedy doing anything above average ratings wise. The rest of the lineup is just mediocre.
You didn't think Rules... perfomance last night, with the added competition, wasn't good? It looks to have risen in viewers and Demo, from the week before.
Perhaps I overlooked it a bit...but its retention is just mediocre considering 2.5 Men is still facing Dancing.
Originally posted by AL: He does positive spin for ABC and negative for the rest. Someone pointed out that Chuck increased nicely from last week. Vlis was trying to negate this by saying it was just back to week 2 levels.
If the same numbers were an ABC show, he would have just pointed out the week to week increase.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: The Spin Master is back at work.
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Originally posted by vlis: it's back to its week 2 #'s:
Originally posted by RussTC3: Yeah, fairly significant increase for Chuck:
Households - 4.5/7 to 5.0/7 (+11.1%) Viewers - 7.21M to 8.23M (+1.02M/+14.1%) Adults 18-49 - 2.7/7 to 3.2/9 (+18.5%)
I'd say that Chuck's viewer and demo increaees are a positive note. Everyone seems to want to write it off to FOX having baseball this week, but that didn't help the 8pm hour CBS comedies at all.
Nielsen C3 Rankings Not Much Different than Program Rankings
CSI Still Most-Watched Show During Premiere Week By Marisa Guthrie -- Broadcasting & Cable, 10/16/2007 2:21:00 PM
Nielsen released C3 rankings for premiere week (Sept. 24-30) Tuesday, and the numbers were in line with what most industry watchers have been expecting: There was not a precipitous difference between program rankings and the rankings for commercials that run within the program.
CSI was the most-watched show of the week with a 23.76 million viewers. And the show’s commercial pods were also the most watched of the week, with 23.82 million viewers tuning in to the show’s commercials based on live viewing plus three days of digital-video-recorder playback.
The premiere of ABC’s Dancing with the Stars was the second-most-watched program of the week in live viewing for the program (20.26 million) as well as C3 (19.86 million).
ABC’s Grey’s Anatomy came in at No. 3 in program rankings and a special Tuesday edition of Dancing with the Stars and Desperate Housewives tied to round out the top five.
But Desperate Housewives came in at No. 3 on the C3 rankings followed by Tuesday’s Dancing with the Stars.
CBS had the most shows in the C3 top 25 with 13 compared with ABC’s seven, NBC’s four and one for Fox.
Nielsen did not release C3 ratings in the 18-49 demographic in the name of simplicity, the company said. The C3 data streams were nearly one year in the making and this year became the industry standard for writing business.
What do you mean track record? Vanished and Justice did the same, or better than KVille is doing. Yes, the lead in is weaker, but still, 5.5 million is ugly. Downright ugly. No network will be happy with that type of viewership level (except CW).
There is no possible way that KVille will remain on the air beyond December. FOX will keep it around until then b/c they have nothing else to air. But come January, say goodbye my friend.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: I think the problem is that in your opinion, it's not a winner. However, if FOX looks at previous track record and viewer retention, it's not hard to see why they it could be viewed as a winner. It's a difference of opinion.
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Originally posted by AL: Once again, no show on FOX that is getting 5.5 million viewers is a winner. End of story. It might be retaining 75% of Prison Break's numbers, but that is with PB being at much lower levels than it was last year. A show is not judged 100% on how it performs relative to the show airing before it.
For example, if Cavemen is getting 5 million, and Carpoolers is getting 5.5 that does not mean Carpoolers is doing great b/c it is gaining viewers. It just means it is not doing as bad as Cavemen.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: FOX always has been known as a starter in the Spring. Their whole model is to build up their demos and viewership starting in January. That is why FOX holds back most of their new shows to lauch them in January/spring. FOX only aired two new shows for a reason this fall. As I said before, compared to it's lead in, K-Ville is not "ugly" numbers. It's getting over 75% of viewer retention. Compared to the shows that has been recorded previously in that time slot, it's doing much better. Bones, their #2 show only getting 9 mil a night. I think people who are expecting FOX blockbuster numbers in the fall are not looking at past performances.
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Originally posted by AL: You have to be joking. No show on any any network (except for CW of course) is a winner with 5.5 million viewers. I don't really understand why FOX is judged on a lower scale in the fall, while in the spring they are not. FOX obviously has the reach to deliver big viewership numbers, as proven by Idol and House. So FOX should be given a pass when it comes to a show like KVille, which has downright ugly numbers.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: It's different network scales. NBC/CBS has a much stronger Fall Monday lineup than FOX. No one would expect a CW show to outperform a FOX show. If CW got 3 million for a Monday show, they would be overjoyed. Same thing for FOX. No one expects it to beat ABC/NBC/CBS Monday fall lineup. FOX has seen their Monday shows dip into the 4 and even 3's out of a 9 million Prison Break performer. 5.5 for K-Ville with a 7.25 Prison Break looks like a winner.
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K-Ville has stabilized in it's ratings with a declining Prison Break performance.
After predicting doom for a couple of 8m viewers shows (Chuck, HIMYM, BBT) you once again praise the performance of the 5m viewers crap.
Now that could be kind of funny... if you didn't actually believe in it :/
Rules... held 80% of the viewers and 83% of the demo. Not bad for a show that has only aired 11 original episodes over 8 months.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
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Originally posted by tvfan300: Chuck did bounce up a bit from last week. If it can stay at a 3 demo rating it will be serviceable.
Two and a Half Men is the only CBS comedy doing anything above average ratings wise. The rest of the lineup is just mediocre.
You didn't think Rules... perfomance last night, with the added competition, wasn't good? It looks to have risen in viewers and Demo, from the week before.
Perhaps I overlooked it a bit...but its retention is just mediocre considering 2.5 Men is still facing Dancing.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: Did Journeymen stabilize? I thought it was 7.5 million last week and 7 this week?
It was 6.94 m, 3.0 demo last week in the fast nats. That number became 6.94, 2.9 in the finals. So even with some decline in the finals, it'll be virtually flat to last week.
My only real point is that I think a lot of shows are getting reprieves because of concerns about the writer's strike, not because of their actual merit or their "stabilization." I don't think "stabilization" is enough to warrant sticking around in a normal environment if you stabilize at a terrible number. A baseball manager who goes 90-72, 70-92, 50-112, 50-112, and 50-112 probably won't stick around because he was able to stabilize at 50 wins.
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BTW, I think the top 5 biggest flops of the season (in no particular order) so far have been Kid Nation, Gossip Girl, Chuck, Big Shots, and Dirty Sexy Money. All are grossly underperforming expectations.
I'd go with Kid Nation, Gossip Girl, Big Shots, K-Ville, and Back to You. I think you can make a case for a lot of other shows, including Chuck (especially if it returns to week 3 numbers when PB re-enters the mix). DSM isn't even in the top 10.
I haven't been able to figure this out yet. Would anyone else actually watch a show called Gossip Girl? I mean really? The show was doomed from the beginning because of its title, IMO.
Originally posted by AL: He does positive spin for ABC and negative for the rest. Someone pointed out that Chuck increased nicely from last week. Vlis was trying to negate this by saying it was just back to week 2 levels.
If the same numbers were an ABC show, he would have just pointed out the week to week increase.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: The Spin Master is back at work.
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Originally posted by vlis: it's back to its week 2 #'s:
Originally posted by RussTC3: Yeah, fairly significant increase for Chuck:
Households - 4.5/7 to 5.0/7 (+11.1%) Viewers - 7.21M to 8.23M (+1.02M/+14.1%) Adults 18-49 - 2.7/7 to 3.2/9 (+18.5%)
I'd say that Chuck's viewer and demo increaees are a positive note. Everyone seems to want to write it off to FOX having baseball this week, but that didn't help the 8pm hour CBS comedies at all.
What do you mean track record? Vanished and Justice did the same, or better than KVille is doing. Yes, the lead in is weaker, but still, 5.5 million is ugly. Downright ugly. No network will be happy with that type of viewership level (except CW).
Now AL, you know that is not true. NBC must have been very happy with those numbers for 30 Rock. It even got a second season.
Originally posted by Zedman2: Nielsen did not release C3 ratings in the 18-49 demographic in the name of simplicity, the company said. The C3 data streams were nearly one year in the making and this year became the industry standard for writing business.
What? How useful are the C3's really going to be if there are no demographics, and the numbers are going to be only 3% different from the finals on average?
Again, that is an opinion. K-Ville was only supposed to last until February with it's order, so if it stays until then, it fulfilled what FOX wanted to do with it. All shows get cancelled. Every show on will leave at some point. Saying goodbye to shows is normal.
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Originally posted by AL: What do you mean track record? Vanished and Justice did the same, or better than KVille is doing. Yes, the lead in is weaker, but still, 5.5 million is ugly. Downright ugly. No network will be happy with that type of viewership level (except CW).
There is no possible way that KVille will remain on the air beyond December. FOX will keep it around until then b/c they have nothing else to air. But come January, say goodbye my friend.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: I think the problem is that in your opinion, it's not a winner. However, if FOX looks at previous track record and viewer retention, it's not hard to see why they it could be viewed as a winner. It's a difference of opinion.
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Originally posted by AL: Once again, no show on FOX that is getting 5.5 million viewers is a winner. End of story. It might be retaining 75% of Prison Break's numbers, but that is with PB being at much lower levels than it was last year. A show is not judged 100% on how it performs relative to the show airing before it.
For example, if Cavemen is getting 5 million, and Carpoolers is getting 5.5 that does not mean Carpoolers is doing great b/c it is gaining viewers. It just means it is not doing as bad as Cavemen.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: FOX always has been known as a starter in the Spring. Their whole model is to build up their demos and viewership starting in January. That is why FOX holds back most of their new shows to lauch them in January/spring. FOX only aired two new shows for a reason this fall. As I said before, compared to it's lead in, K-Ville is not "ugly" numbers. It's getting over 75% of viewer retention. Compared to the shows that has been recorded previously in that time slot, it's doing much better. Bones, their #2 show only getting 9 mil a night. I think people who are expecting FOX blockbuster numbers in the fall are not looking at past performances.
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Originally posted by AL: You have to be joking. No show on any any network (except for CW of course) is a winner with 5.5 million viewers. I don't really understand why FOX is judged on a lower scale in the fall, while in the spring they are not. FOX obviously has the reach to deliver big viewership numbers, as proven by Idol and House. So FOX should be given a pass when it comes to a show like KVille, which has downright ugly numbers.
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Originally posted by WelcomeToK-Ville: It's different network scales. NBC/CBS has a much stronger Fall Monday lineup than FOX. No one would expect a CW show to outperform a FOX show. If CW got 3 million for a Monday show, they would be overjoyed. Same thing for FOX. No one expects it to beat ABC/NBC/CBS Monday fall lineup. FOX has seen their Monday shows dip into the 4 and even 3's out of a 9 million Prison Break performer. 5.5 for K-Ville with a 7.25 Prison Break looks like a winner.
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Originally posted by Schnickel:
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K-Ville has stabilized in it's ratings with a declining Prison Break performance.
After predicting doom for a couple of 8m viewers shows (Chuck, HIMYM, BBT) you once again praise the performance of the 5m viewers crap.
Now that could be kind of funny... if you didn't actually believe in it :/
