I know there is a lot of talk about AI losing it's appeal, but I was just reading that 40+ number one songs have come from finalist and winners accross all charts. That's pretty impressive. And with Chris Daughtry, Kelly, Carrie, (and fantasia and kimberly locke to a certain extent) still big music industry players I think that AI alum will continue to suceed. There is no sure fire way to make a pop star, but AI is about as close as you can get. I have high hopes for this season.
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Originally posted by whatsonpop: And also Kelly Clarkson did not blow up on the music scene until her second album Breakaway.
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Originally posted by Hawk-eye: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Chimera: And if people on here are right that no one stood out from the masses of mediocrity, this could be a long season.
A long season is what? Maybe a 21 million average with a 8.0 demo? All the other Nets will surely be laughing at Fox if that were to occur.
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Plus the word is spreading that Taylor Hicks and Ruben were dropped from their label, that Jordin Sparks record is not doing well, etc. Only Kelly Clarkson and the country girl have done well as winners. Daughtry is doing extremely well after 4th, Clay Aiken did good in 2nd, and Jennifer Hudson only shows how the 5th season went so horribly wrong (she finished 7th). Could you imagine if Justin Guirini had won the 1st season instead of Kelly? He would have bombed, and AI may have quickly disappeared after a couple of seasons... The reason it became so huge is that Kelly Clarkson's success validated it, and people took it seriously.
While I agree with your analysis of the successful and unsuccessful Idols, I can't agree with your conclusion. Justin was dropped from the Idol record label before the beginning of the second season and it didn't chase people away from the show.
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But Justin failing as a runner up is not nearly as damaging as if Justin was the winner and it failed. Especially since it was the first season with no precedent.
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This (1/14-20) will be ABC's lowest rated 18-49 week since the dog days of the early 70's
Samcat, just wondering if you have a source to substantiate this claim?
I am not aware that A18-49 demographic data was collected and reported on a weekly basis in the 70's...I only remember seeing demographic specifics referred to during Sweep periods based on diary sampling.
In my memory, widespread A18-49 measurement during non-Sweep periods only came in with the advent of PeopleMeters, which were first tested in the eighties, and then implemented wider in the nineties.
My memory of ABC during the seventies was that they were always had a younger, large-market-skewed viewership (much stronger in youth and A18-49 demos than in other demographics). The early seventies were strong in youth demo shows such as the numerous shows from Mr. Spelling (The Mod Squad, The Rookies), successful anthology skeins (Movies of the Week across several nights) and youth-focused shows (Brady Bunch, Kung Fu, Six Million Dollar Man). Then, in the era of Mr. Fred Silverman, the A18-49 measures during the Sweep periods went through the roof, reaching a zenith that will perhaps never again be replicated.
Nielsen issued audience demographic reports going back to the 60's...as supplements to its bi-weekly National pocketpiece which measured homes.
FYF ..I'm referring to the 73-5 period when the network scheduled program bombs like The Texas Wheelers, Kodiak, the Sonny Bono Comedy Hour, Temperature's Rising, New Land, Paper Moon, Nakia and the Howard Cosell Variety Show. The few good shows (Narcus Welby, Movie of the Week, the Rookies, Brady Bunch) couldn't compensate for the rest of this junk.
This is a great parallel to what's happening today.
I was predicting about 35 million plus viewers but it got only 33.2 but still it DECIMATED all the shows of other networks especially for ABC!
CBS and NBC stood strong though. But The CW's One Tree Hill has a potential for next week if AI does only 1 hour showing. 13.8 in the demo for FOX, impressive.
Still, the shows got run over by FOX and American Idol's STEAMROLLER!
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SHOW HH A18-49 Viewers A18-34
JUST FOR LAUGHS (8pm) 3.1/5 1.2/3 4,524,000
ACCORDING TO JIM 2.7/4 1.2/3 4,014,000
BOSTON LEGAL 4.8/8 2.0/5 7,426,000
NCIS 9.9/15 3.0/7 15,822,000
COMANCHE MOON (9pm, 2 hours) 8.0/12 2.4/6 12,564,000
BIGGEST LOSER 4.6/7 3.0/7 7,176,000
LAW AND ORDER: SVU 8.1/13 4.6/12 12,205,000
AMERICAN IDOL 17.7/26 13.8/32 33,415,000
ONE TREE HILL 1.8/3 1.3/3 2,723,000 1.8/4
NIP TUCK 1.6/3 1.3/3 2,192,000
samcat, I, too, am curious what the exact number you're referring to is... so at the end of the week we can see for ourselves if this week was ABC's worst demographic week since the mid-70s or whatever.
As one of BL's biggest fans on this board, I must admit that I'm not thrilled with this season. Amidst dropping four cast members, we've also hardly Candice Bergen has already missed 3 of 11 episodes and in 4 others she's only had 1 or 2 quick filler scenes. And why is Gary Anthony Williams still a cast member when he's only played even a remotely major role in 2 of the 11 eps so far?
Dump Gary Williams and Saffron Burrows, in my opinion.
This (1/14-20) will be ABC's lowest rated 18-49 week since the dog days of the early 70's
Samcat, just wondering if you have a source to substantiate this claim?
I am not aware that A18-49 demographic data was collected and reported on a weekly basis in the 70's...I only remember seeing demographic specifics referred to during Sweep periods based on diary sampling.
In my memory, widespread A18-49 measurement during non-Sweep periods only came in with the advent of PeopleMeters, which were first tested in the eighties, and then implemented wider in the nineties.
My memory of ABC during the seventies was that they were always had a younger, large-market-skewed viewership (much stronger in youth and A18-49 demos than in other demographics). The early seventies were strong in youth demo shows such as the numerous shows from Mr. Spelling (The Mod Squad, The Rookies), successful anthology skeins (Movies of the Week across several nights) and youth-focused shows (Brady Bunch, Kung Fu, Six Million Dollar Man). Then, in the era of Mr. Fred Silverman, the A18-49 measures during the Sweep periods went through the roof, reaching a zenith that will perhaps never again be replicated.
Nielsen issued audience demographic reports going back to the 60's...as supplements to its bi-weekly National pocketpiece which measured homes.
FYF ..I'm referring to the 73-5 period when the network scheduled program bombs like The Texas Wheelers, Kodiak, the Sonny Bono Comedy Hour, Temperature's Rising, New Land, Paper Moon, Nakia and the Howard Cosell Variety Show. The few good shows (Narcus Welby, Movie of the Week, the Rookies, Brady Bunch) couldn't compensate for the rest of this junk.
This is a great parallel to what's happening today.
"Saturday Night Live with Howard Cosell" was one of ABC's lowest-rated series of the '75-76 season, and yet it still averaged a 11.5HH/22% for its 13-episode run on Saturdays at 8 pm. And a number of those episodes even featured a large number of youth-aimed guests like The Bay City Rollers.
Are you claiming that ABC in the 70s, a youth-targeted network who's lowest rated show (Howard Cosell) had an 11.5HH/22% household reach, still averaged a lower weekly demo score than the 1.9 A18-49 ABC is averaging so far this week?
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Are you claiming that ABC in the 70s, a youth-targeted network who's lowest rated show (Howard Cosell) had an 11.5HH/22% household reach, still averaged a lower weekly demo score than the 1.9 A18-49 ABC is averaging so far this week?
This is precisely why I want to see some hard, factual numbers from samcat. I cannot imagine that one of the networks in the Big Three (and nothin' else) era could have ratings as low, on a weekly average, as one of the major networks in a post-cable, post-media-fragmentation, post-internet-advent world.
AI is still gargantuan! All I can say as a huge Lost fan is that I'm so glad it is not going up against it. I'm worried enough about Lost's ratings as it is will a sea of repeats and reality shows around it, I think it'll be lucky to pull in the same numbers it did last year.
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This (1/14-20) will be ABC's lowest rated 18-49 week since the dog days of the early 70's
Samcat, just wondering if you have a source to substantiate this claim?
I am not aware that A18-49 demographic data was collected and reported on a weekly basis in the 70's...I only remember seeing demographic specifics referred to during Sweep periods based on diary sampling.
In my memory, widespread A18-49 measurement during non-Sweep periods only came in with the advent of PeopleMeters, which were first tested in the eighties, and then implemented wider in the nineties.
My memory of ABC during the seventies was that they were always had a younger, large-market-skewed viewership (much stronger in youth and A18-49 demos than in other demographics). The early seventies were strong in youth demo shows such as the numerous shows from Mr. Spelling (The Mod Squad, The Rookies), successful anthology skeins (Movies of the Week across several nights) and youth-focused shows (Brady Bunch, Kung Fu, Six Million Dollar Man). Then, in the era of Mr. Fred Silverman, the A18-49 measures during the Sweep periods went through the roof, reaching a zenith that will perhaps never again be replicated.
Nielsen issued audience demographic reports going back to the 60's...as supplements to its bi-weekly National pocketpiece which measured homes.
FYF ..I'm referring to the 73-5 period when the network scheduled program bombs like The Texas Wheelers, Kodiak, the Sonny Bono Comedy Hour, Temperature's Rising, New Land, Paper Moon, Nakia and the Howard Cosell Variety Show. The few good shows (Narcus Welby, Movie of the Week, the Rookies, Brady Bunch) couldn't compensate for the rest of this junk.
This is a great parallel to what's happening today.
"Saturday Night Live with Howard Cosell" was one of ABC's lowest-rated series of the '75-76 season, and yet it still averaged a 11.5HH/22% for its 13-episode run on Saturdays at 8 pm. And a number of those episodes even featured a large number of youth-aimed guests like The Bay City Rollers.
Are you claiming that ABC in the 70s, a youth-targeted network who's lowest rated show (Howard Cosell) had an 11.5HH/22% household reach, still averaged a lower weekly demo score than the 1.9 A18-49 ABC is averaging so far this week?
Cosell was not ABC's lowest rated show. Many of the programs I mentioned fared much worse -- and were completely off target for ABC's young urban audience(ie Nakia, New Land, Kodiak, Texas Wheelers). We're talking about single- digit demo shares here.
I stand by my statement that ABC hasn't seen such low 18-49 numbers since the early to mid 70's.
Because we all know an hour isn't enough to do a results show.
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Originally posted by Douglas: I bet you that FOX will find some way to extend its Thursday night results shows from February 21-March 6 into the 9:00pm hour by several minutes.
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Originally posted by asiancolossus: All I can say as a huge Lost fan is that I'm so glad it is not going up against it.
Where did you find this information? I would like to take a look too.
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Originally posted by dumont:
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Originally posted by samcat913:
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Originally posted by dumont:
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Originally posted by samcat913:
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Originally posted by KSO: ABC needs serious help.
This (1/14-20) will be ABC's lowest rated 18-49 week since the dog days of the early 70's
Samcat, just wondering if you have a source to substantiate this claim?
I am not aware that A18-49 demographic data was collected and reported on a weekly basis in the 70's...I only remember seeing demographic specifics referred to during Sweep periods based on diary sampling.
In my memory, widespread A18-49 measurement during non-Sweep periods only came in with the advent of PeopleMeters, which were first tested in the eighties, and then implemented wider in the nineties.
My memory of ABC during the seventies was that they were always had a younger, large-market-skewed viewership (much stronger in youth and A18-49 demos than in other demographics). The early seventies were strong in youth demo shows such as the numerous shows from Mr. Spelling (The Mod Squad, The Rookies), successful anthology skeins (Movies of the Week across several nights) and youth-focused shows (Brady Bunch, Kung Fu, Six Million Dollar Man). Then, in the era of Mr. Fred Silverman, the A18-49 measures during the Sweep periods went through the roof, reaching a zenith that will perhaps never again be replicated.
Nielsen issued audience demographic reports going back to the 60's...as supplements to its bi-weekly National pocketpiece which measured homes.
FYF ..I'm referring to the 73-5 period when the network scheduled program bombs like The Texas Wheelers, Kodiak, the Sonny Bono Comedy Hour, Temperature's Rising, New Land, Paper Moon, Nakia and the Howard Cosell Variety Show. The few good shows (Narcus Welby, Movie of the Week, the Rookies, Brady Bunch) couldn't compensate for the rest of this junk.
This is a great parallel to what's happening today.
"Saturday Night Live with Howard Cosell" was one of ABC's lowest-rated series of the '75-76 season, and yet it still averaged a 11.5HH/22% for its 13-episode run on Saturdays at 8 pm. And a number of those episodes even featured a large number of youth-aimed guests like The Bay City Rollers.
Are you claiming that ABC in the 70s, a youth-targeted network who's lowest rated show (Howard Cosell) had an 11.5HH/22% household reach, still averaged a lower weekly demo score than the 1.9 A18-49 ABC is averaging so far this week?
Cosell was not ABC's lowest rated show. Many of the programs I mentioned fared much worse -- and were completely off target for ABC's young urban audience(ie Nakia, New Land, Kodiak, Texas Wheelers). We're talking about single- digit demo shares here.
I stand by my statement that ABC hasn't seen such low 18-49 numbers since the early to mid 70's.
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Originally posted by whatsonpop: Where did you find this information? I would like to take a look too. I dont think 73-74 was there lowest of the 70's as they had 8 shows with more than 13 million viewers and those include 6 million Dollar man, happy days, and mon nite football which skew younger.
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Originally posted by samcat913:
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Originally posted by dumont:
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Originally posted by samcat913:
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Originally posted by dumont:
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Originally posted by samcat913:
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Originally posted by KSO: ABC needs serious help.
This (1/14-20) will be ABC's lowest rated 18-49 week since the dog days of the early 70's
Samcat, just wondering if you have a source to substantiate this claim?
I am not aware that A18-49 demographic data was collected and reported on a weekly basis in the 70's...I only remember seeing demographic specifics referred to during Sweep periods based on diary sampling.
In my memory, widespread A18-49 measurement during non-Sweep periods only came in with the advent of PeopleMeters, which were first tested in the eighties, and then implemented wider in the nineties.
My memory of ABC during the seventies was that they were always had a younger, large-market-skewed viewership (much stronger in youth and A18-49 demos than in other demographics). The early seventies were strong in youth demo shows such as the numerous shows from Mr. Spelling (The Mod Squad, The Rookies), successful anthology skeins (Movies of the Week across several nights) and youth-focused shows (Brady Bunch, Kung Fu, Six Million Dollar Man). Then, in the era of Mr. Fred Silverman, the A18-49 measures during the Sweep periods went through the roof, reaching a zenith that will perhaps never again be replicated.
Nielsen issued audience demographic reports going back to the 60's...as supplements to its bi-weekly National pocketpiece which measured homes.
FYF ..I'm referring to the 73-5 period when the network scheduled program bombs like The Texas Wheelers, Kodiak, the Sonny Bono Comedy Hour, Temperature's Rising, New Land, Paper Moon, Nakia and the Howard Cosell Variety Show. The few good shows (Narcus Welby, Movie of the Week, the Rookies, Brady Bunch) couldn't compensate for the rest of this junk.
This is a great parallel to what's happening today.
"Saturday Night Live with Howard Cosell" was one of ABC's lowest-rated series of the '75-76 season, and yet it still averaged a 11.5HH/22% for its 13-episode run on Saturdays at 8 pm. And a number of those episodes even featured a large number of youth-aimed guests like The Bay City Rollers.
Are you claiming that ABC in the 70s, a youth-targeted network who's lowest rated show (Howard Cosell) had an 11.5HH/22% household reach, still averaged a lower weekly demo score than the 1.9 A18-49 ABC is averaging so far this week?
Cosell was not ABC's lowest rated show. Many of the programs I mentioned fared much worse -- and were completely off target for ABC's young urban audience(ie Nakia, New Land, Kodiak, Texas Wheelers). We're talking about single- digit demo shares here.
I stand by my statement that ABC hasn't seen such low 18-49 numbers since the early to mid 70's.
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