Marc, any chance that come January 3rd you'll be posting some late-night ratings? I'll be especially interested in the Letterman-Leno battle now that Letterman is going back with writers and Leno will be forced to (if Carson Daly is any indication) showcase crew member talents to fill time. Potentially a very interesting ratings battle (will Leno viewers flee?) even though it falls outside primetime.
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Originally posted by vlis: interesting since after 4 days it is:
abc 1.6
cbs 1.6
nbc 1.9
fox 1.8
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Originally posted by samcat913: My estimates(18-49) for the current week, M -Sun
NBC 2.6 CBS 2.3 FOX 2.2 ABC 1.8
Another 4th place finish for ABC.
Saturday is going to be huge for both NBC and CBS. I wouldn't be surprised if samcat's projections for those two are UNDER what they come in at.
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If MNTV was smart, they would go skew toward shows that had decent enough ratings for a smaller network - but not for the big 4. I know that most people (including myself) - tend to go by 18-49. But with Fox a younger network, News Corp. could take a bite out of CBS and ABC by programing some procedurals and dramas that the other networks were cancelling because they didn't hit big enough numbers ... I think you could put a lineup together like this... Take cult type shows that deliver small loyal audiences (a 1.5-2.0 18-49) and run with those. For example, this could be the lineup (of originals) - doing M-F only:
Monday ====== 8:00 The 4400 9:00 The Dead Zone
Tuesday ======== 8:00 Close To Home 9:00 Justice
Wednesday ======== 8:00 Everwood 9:00 Journeyman
Thursday ========= 8:00 FX Repeat Wheel 9:00 Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip
Friday ======== 8:00 King Of The Hill (after Fox cancels) 8:30 Futurama (instead of sending to cable) 9:00 Reba 9:30 George Lopez
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Greys Anatomy, Ugly Betty, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, Dancing with the Stars, Samantha Who, the Bachelor, Boston Legal: all ABC shows that have eclipsed 10 million on some or all of their telecasts this fall.
lets look at this...greys/desperate housewives/brothers & sisters/extreme makeover: home edition/dancing with the stars all regularly hit over 10 million
ugly betty, the bachelor & boston legal both have dipped below the 10 mil mark with the latter usually not attaining the 10 mil mark
samantha who is well below the 10 mil mark now that its lead-in is gone
Clearly you had trouble reading my original post. I said have attained the 10 million viewer mark at times during the regular season so far. ABC is not the disaster zone everyone is thinking it is right now. Every summer they dip low too only to rebound in the fall.
Originally posted by dumont: I disagree that MyNetworkTV and The CW are not comparable as networks. Both networks have roughly the same number of affiliates and distribution model. As of mid-season, The CW is broadcasting roughly 7.5 original programming of 13 hours (58%) across the week, whereas MyNetworkTV is airing 6.5 original hours of 12 hours (54%) across the week.
Please explain to me what you are attempting to call 'original programming'. What 'original programming' did MNTV air this week? Airing movies (even broadcast premieres) is not original programming. Even claiming that the concert broadcasts (Conrtol Room Presents) are 'original' is stretching the limits of the definition. MNTV is not programming much 'original' material. Since they gave up on the telenovas, the closest they have to original programming is *some* of their reality stuff and even some of that is simply rebroadcasts of other network's programming.
In the last week, MNT broadcast 2 hours of broadcast 'originals' with the concert doubleheader on Christmas day of "Control Room Presents", plus 4 hours of broadcast premieres of theatrical films. I don't understand why you would not define "Control Room Presents..." as an original series...it has been broadcast no where else in the universe other than on MyNetworkTV.
In comparison, The CW programmed only 1.5 hours of 'originals' (WWE Smackdown was a clip-show this week).
As to mid-season, MyNetworkTV has quite a bit of 'original' programming being offered:
MONDAY: 8-9 pm Celebrity Expose (exclusive to MNT) 9-10 PM PARADISE HOTEL 2 (NEW, Feb.04, preems on MNT, late-night re-broadcast on FOX REALITY)
TUESDAY: 8-9 pm STREET PATROL (NEW Jan.08, exclusive to MNT) 9-9:30 pm Jail (broadcast premiere of COURT-TV source material)
WEDNESDAY: 8-9 pm - WHACKED OUT VIDEOS (NEW Jan.02, exclusive to MNT) 9-10 pm - MyNetworkSpecials (original specials including "Psychic Secrets Revealed", "The Harlem Globetrotters 80th Anniversary Special", "TV Guide Video On-Line Awards")
SATURDAY: 8-9 pm - NFL Total Access (exclusive to MNT) 9-10 pm - Control Room Presents...
And furthermore, last season when MyNetworkTV broadcast four full cycles and two half-cycles of the 'no-rerun' telenovellas, it led all networks during the regular season in the number of hours devoted to original scripted entertainment as a proportion of its schedule.
I believe that MNTV will remain close with the CW until Top Model returns in mid-February. Paradise Hotel could be a real hit for them and the new series that will pair with Jail sounds good. Whacked out Videos and the specials will also do better than this past fall's Wed. lineup imo. They've done a good thing just getting people to realize they're alive and around. By next fall, I suspect we'll see scripted stuff again.
Originally posted by dumont: In the last week, MNT broadcast 2 hours of broadcast 'originals' with the concert doubleheader on Christmas day of "Control Room Presents", plus 4 hours of broadcast premieres of theatrical films. I don't understand why you would not define "Control Room Presents..." as an original series...it has been broadcast no where else in the universe other than on MyNetworkTV.
Broadcasting films on TV is not 'original programming'.
Even 'Control Room presents' is only 'original' on the same level as the IFL is 'original programming'. All it is is a special event being broadcast onto TV.
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In comparison, The CW programmed only 1.5 hours of 'originals' (WWE Smackdown was a clip-show this week).
But the reruns on CW are still CW originated programming, not just stuff bought off the shelf like the cheap cable nets program. MNTV is not programming orginal material much at all these days.
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As to mid-season, MyNetworkTV has quite a bit of 'original' programming being offered:
Yes, and it is very likely that their ratings will drop again when they return to original programming. Meanwhile, you are hyping their 'ratings gains' at a time when they are NOT broadcasting original content.
Isn't CBS planning to place the Edited version pf Showtime's Dexter in at 9pm on Fridays, in place of Moonlight?
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Friday's numbers have been reported via zap2it. Something to note: WMC's encore beat Moonlight 4.3 to 3.3 in households. I think Moonlight's chances of airing repeats through the strike are getting slimmer. http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings-122807,0,6...l=zap-news-headlines
Has that been confirmed and is Friday really the night for that, especially behind Ghost Whisperer? I would've thought post-CSI would've been better with WAT simply moving to Friday during the sweeps.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Isn't CBS planning to place the Edited version pf Showtime's Dexter in at 9pm on Fridays, in place of Moonlight?
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Friday's numbers have been reported via zap2it. Something to note: WMC's encore beat Moonlight 4.3 to 3.3 in households. I think Moonlight's chances of airing repeats through the strike are getting slimmer. http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings-122807,0,6...l=zap-news-headlines
Originally posted by galveston: Crowned airing three times a week is earning under a million viewers in its two encore airings. The reruns of SV and SPN would do better, and have done better. Case closed. Reair last season's episodes. The CW paid for those. They have to air something during the writers' strike.
Or they could, you know, air new stuff during the writers' strike. Just a thought. They are on better footing in terms of originals than many of the other networks (certainly CBS).
On Monday, they are led off by "Everybody Hates Chris," which was unaffected by the strike due to its off-season schedule. Additionally, the 3 shows that follow it completed more episodes than most other sitcoms. "Girlfriends" and "The Game" completed 13 a piece, I believe, as both were among the few multi-cam comedies that worked to shoot completed scripts after the strike got underway. (Shove it, Philo.)
Tuesday and Wednesday are led off by reality shows. They also have a brand-new reality show waiting in the wings, plus new cycles of 2 others, one of which is a big hit for them. Tuesday is capped by "One Tree Hill," which completed enough episodes (12) to take it through most of the second half of the season.
Friday has Smackdown, which has non-union writers and so gets to continue being original year-round. Not to mention it's one of their top 2 shows.
Sunday is led off by a show which, while nobody watches it, is not affected by the strike. That being "CW Now." Which is supposed to run the entire year. As for the rest of the night, well, they certainly didn't mind filling it up with repeats in the past, so I don't see why now would be any different.
Thursday is the only night they are going to completely run out of original programming before the season is done -- except a) this must not be much of a problem, since reruns of "Smallville" and "Supernatural" do so well, and b) "Smallville" completed a sizeable amount of episodes (15), of which the remaining 6 can be stretched.
Granted, none of this changes the fact that there is no rhyme or reason for why "Crowned" is on 3x a week.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
The CW's ratings will suck no matter if it was Crowned or a repeat of a veteran show airing. Niether choice is clear to be such a big improvement over the other in terms of ad dollars. At least by airing Crowned 3 times a week they can say they are giving their new shows a chance by offering exposure especially since OTH, SV and SN repeats wouldn't even do that much better. I mean unless they can get 2 million viewers outside of their own timeslot I don't see any major benefits.
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Originally posted by galveston: Crowned airing three times a week is earning under a million viewers in its two encore airings. The reruns of SV and SPN would do better, and have done better. Case closed. Reair last season's episodes. The CW paid for those. They have to air something during the writers' strike.
Or they could, you know, air new stuff during the writers' strike. Just a thought. They are on better footing in terms of originals than many of the other networks (certainly CBS).
On Monday, they are led off by "Everybody Hates Chris," which was unaffected by the strike due to its off-season schedule. Additionally, the 3 shows that follow it completed more episodes than most other sitcoms. "Girlfriends" and "The Game" completed 13 a piece, I believe, as both were among the few multi-cam comedies that worked to shoot completed scripts after the strike got underway. (Shove it, Philo.)
Tuesday and Wednesday are led off by reality shows. They also have a brand-new reality show waiting in the wings, plus new cycles of 2 others, one of which is a big hit for them. Tuesday is capped by "One Tree Hill," which completed enough episodes (12) to take it through most of the second half of the season.
Friday has Smackdown, which has non-union writers and so gets to continue being original year-round. Not to mention it's one of their top 2 shows.
Sunday is led off by a show which, while nobody watches it, is not affected by the strike. That being "CW Now." Which is supposed to run the entire year. As for the rest of the night, well, they certainly didn't mind filling it up with repeats in the past, so I don't see why now would be any different.
Thursday is the only night they are going to completely run out of original programming before the season is done -- except a) this must not be much of a problem, since reruns of "Smallville" and "Supernatural" do so well, and b) "Smallville" completed a sizeable amount of episodes (15), of which the remaining 6 can be stretched.
Granted, none of this changes the fact that there is no rhyme or reason for why "Crowned" is on 3x a week.
I could see two airings for Crowned a week with the second one airing on Sunday afternoon but this 3x a week stuff is nonsense, especially when Puddy Cat Dolls could've been used to fill one of the other hours.
Originally posted by NYHunter: The CW's ratings will suck no matter if it was Crowned or a repeat of a veteran show airing. Niether choice is clear to be such a big improvement over the other in terms of ad dollars. At least by airing Crowned 3 times a week they can say they are giving their new shows a chance by offering exposure especially since OTH, SV and SN repeats wouldn't even do that much better. I mean unless they can get 2 million viewers outside of their own timeslot I don't see any major benefits.
The WB used to get good numbers from the beginnings franchise and if One Tree Hill manages to bring in some new fresh faces with the new storylines and or because of the strike, perhaps repeats of earlier seasons on Sundays at 7 wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean it can't do any worse than CW Now.
Dude: DVD's, Itunes, online episodes... no one, especially the CW demo, cares about tv syndication anymore. And this isn't the summer, if it was, and we still had a strike I might agree with you, but it's not, so that point doesn't matter.
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Originally posted by channelserf: A lot of people pick up "new" shows during syndication, summer reruns, etc. I know a lot of Smallville fans that didn't start watching that show until they caught it when the WB started rerunning the first season as Smallville Beginnings on Sunday nights. Reba Beginnings also did pretty well and picked up new fans.
Well actually it's because they knew a December premiere would not generate much interest is WHY they are airing it three times a week.
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No one is saying they shouldn't. But, considering how Crowned is doing right now, they sure shouldn't be airing that show three times a week.
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Originally posted by NYHunter: Dude: DVD's, Itunes, online episodes... no one, especially the CW demo, cares about tv syndication anymore.
As strange as it might sound, there are some folks in the CW's target demographic who still do watch shows in syndication. Like fairies, it might be hard to believe they're real. But real they are.
My argument is that the CW has to start doing something now. Right now, they aren't even treading water. That boat is slowly sinking. Maybe they could improve by doing the same thing they've been doing. But hoping things will get better without taking any action doesn't seem to make smart business sense to me.
For example, they seem to have given up on Sunday. When CW Now and Online Nation tanked, it's like they just threw up their hands for the whole night. Now, they're tossing same-week reruns into the night to fill space. Not only is that probably hurting the first runs, it's leaving new eps of LIW to get dragged down by all the repeats surrounding it.
Maybe they could actually start to build something on that night by paring LIW with early seasons of OTH. Or maybe they could do a genre night with early seasons of SV and SPN. Or maybe they could air LIW followed by a theatrical movie out of the WB vault.
How well would any of that do? Who knows? But they have to start doing something. The same old same old ain't working for them.
They have to air something during the writers' strike. 