Greys Anatomy, Ugly Betty, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, Dancing with the Stars, Samantha Who, the Bachelor, Boston Legal: all ABC shows that have eclipsed 10 million on some or all of their telecasts this fall.
lets look at this...greys/desperate housewives/brothers & sisters/extreme makeover: home edition/dancing with the stars all regularly hit over 10 million
ugly betty, the bachelor & boston legal both have dipped below the 10 mil mark with the latter usually not attaining the 10 mil mark
samantha who is well below the 10 mil mark now that its lead-in is gone
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Well, Lost hasn't aired in the fall. EM:HE, DWTS, and The Bachelor aren't scripted. Samantha Who? and BL won't hit 10 million without the DWTS lead-in.
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Originally posted by gdfriends:
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Greys Anatomy, Ugly Betty, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, Dancing with the Stars, Samantha Who, the Bachelor, Boston Legal: all ABC shows that have eclipsed 10 million on some or all of their telecasts this fall.
lets look at this...greys/desperate housewives/brothers & sisters/extreme makeover: home edition/dancing with the stars all regularly hit over 10 million
ugly betty, the bachelor & boston legal both have dipped below the 10 mil mark with the latter usually not attaining the 10 mil mark
samantha who is well below the 10 mil mark now that its lead-in is gone
Originally posted by Jamie: And NBC should not cancel it, they already have Scrubs ending this season and I can't see them taking the risk of two freshmen sitcoms next year.
The RISK would be keeping for a 3rd season. Just about any show can pull 6 million for an original. Heck, if Cane, VL and Cavemen can do it....
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I would think you could expect 10 million plus, similar to what CBS is pulling.
Or even the 6.5 million FOX pulled with an older movie.
Be fair now, most of ABC and NBC's scripted shows have trouble getting 10 million viewers with original episodes.
Greys Anatomy, Ugly Betty, Lost, Desperate Housewives, Brothers and Sisters, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, Dancing with the Stars, Samantha Who, the Bachelor, Boston Legal: all ABC shows that have eclipsed 10 million on some or all of their telecasts this fall.
Read that again "ABC's scripted shows". I don't think Lost has aired yet this fall, and Ugly Betty only occasionally tops 10 million (usually coming in just under), but I'll give you Private Practice, which only dipped below 10 million once. So that means ABC has a total of 6 scripted shows that can consistently hit 10 million (so long as Samantha Who? has the DWTS lead-in).
Well, the CW has poor ratings (shocker), and some people think the solution is to air repeats of the first season of their veteran shows.
Okay, well I have no problem saying how ridiculous that is. Why give more exposure to the first season of shows that most people have already decided of they want to watch? Makes no sense, and while they might not perform worse there is no evidence that it will perform better. Not to mention that the CW would be better off showing episodes of shows that they actually paid the production for.
Also it's the CW! It's ratings will be crap no matter what, If you want to see the episodes so badly just buy the DVDs or something.
And if the CW does decide to go down the path of being the repeat of old shows network, I really don't care, I don't even know why I continue to waste my time talking about a network that hardly matters, at this point in time anyway.
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Originally posted by NYHunter: Well, the CW has poor ratings (shocker), and some people think the solution is to air repeats of the first season of their veteran shows.
Okay, well I have no problem saying how ridiculous that is. Why give more exposure to the first season of shows that most people have already decided of they want to watch? Makes no sense, and while they might not perform worse there is no evidence that it will perform better.
Crowned airing three times a week is earning under a million viewers in its two encore airings. The reruns of SV and SPN would do better, and have done better. Case closed. Reair last season's episodes. The CW paid for those. They have to air something during the writers' strike.
Originally posted by NYHunter: Well, the CW has poor ratings (shocker), and some people think the solution is to air repeats of the first season of their veteran shows.
Okay, well I have no problem saying how ridiculous that is. Why give more exposure to the first season of shows that most people have already decided of they want to watch?
A lot of people pick up "new" shows during syndication, summer reruns, etc. I know a lot of Smallville fans that didn't start watching that show until they caught it when the WB started rerunning the first season as Smallville Beginnings on Sunday nights. Reba Beginnings also did pretty well and picked up new fans.
I think there's a big difference between re-airing the same episode of a show two or three times a week to fill empty space (which the CW is doing now) and airing earlier seasons of a show. During the strike, for a lot of people looking for something "new" to watch, the first few seasons of Smallville, Supernatural or One Tree Hillwould be something new.
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Makes no sense, and while they might not perform worse there is no evidence that it will perform better.
Actually, reruns of the CW's scripted shows are already performing better than first runs of some of their new shows. Heck, reruns of this seasons SV have beaten first runs of Gossip Girl, Crowned, LIW, etc.
It's true that no one could say for sure how airing reruns of former seasons of their scripted shows would do for the CW. But, geez, they gotta do something to try to stop the bleeding.
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Not to mention that the CW would be better off showing episodes of shows that they actually paid the production for.
No one is saying they shouldn't. But, considering how Crowned is doing right now, they sure shouldn't be airing that show three times a week.
Those multiple airings of Crowned episodes three times a week on The CW have dramatically lowered its weekly average, and after four days of week 14, it is just barely ahead of MyNetworkTV:
The CW: 0.9HH/2%, 1.250 million viewers, 0.5 A18-49 MyNetworkTV: 0.7HH/1%, 1.080 million viewers, 0.3 A18-49
So far this week, MyNetworkTV has surpassed The CW in viewers on Monday night, and surpassed it again in households and viewers on Wednesday night. For the rest of the week, it will for sure fall behind The CW on Friday, but of late, MyNetworkTV has been stronger on Saturday nights than The CW is on Sunday nights, so the week could end in a close race.
The CW is now gathering up roughly the same numbers as MyNetworkTV, which is showing significant improvement from last year.
If The CW didnt cancel Gilmore Girls, Reba and Everwood it would be doing so much better right now... But you know who we have to blame for that, Dawn Ostroff...
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There really is no reason to compare MNTV and CW as networks. MNTV has 'improved their ratings' by giving up on being an original programming network. Instead, they are just another net broadcasting movie reruns and archived content. That format can never be sucessful beyond a few million viewers so MNTV has essentially given up on growing itself as a network and is instead designing itself to be a creap rebroadcast outlet. CW is still trying to build itself as a actual firstrun broadcast network like CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX.
As for CW reairing Smallville and Supernatural 3 times per week instead of Crowned: I'm not convinced that that would be beneficial in the long run. Re-airing those shows 3x per week is as likely to 'ruin' the franchise as it is to build extra viewers. The main reason that networks don't rearrange their schedules every week is that they don't want their viewers to become 'casual' about the viewing times or 'confused' about when a show is really going to air first run episodes (the strike won't last forever). When first run episodes come back, CW doesn't want the Smallville/Supernatural viewers to be under the impression that they will have multiple chances to view the show each week or multiple chances to catch up on the episodes in a few weeks.
Also, people need to stop assuming that the CW can simply rebroadcast whatever they want at will. Broadcasting last year's episodes of Smallville again would likely cost them more than broadcasting Crowned repeatedly. CW has to decide if the higher cost of re-airing the scripted shows is worth the slightly higher ratings and the risk of damaging the viewing habits of those established scripted shows.
Originally posted by Obveeus: That format can never be sucessful beyond a few million viewers so MNTV has essentially given up on growing itself as a network and is instead designing itself to be a creap rebroadcast outlet. CW is still trying to build itself as a actual firstrun broadcast network like CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX.
Oh, I didn't say the CW should be all rebroadcasts like MNTV. But, the thing is, the CW is already showing plenty of rebroadcasts, airing the same episodes of certain shows several times a week. Which, as you pointed out, is no doubt hurting the first runs of those episodes. It's also making the CW feel a little like a cable net.
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As for CW reairing Smallville and Supernatural 3 times per week instead of Crowned: I'm not convinced that that would be beneficial in the long run. Re-airing those shows 3x per week is as likely to 'ruin' the franchise as it is to build extra viewers.
I don't think the CW should air the same episode of any show more than once a week. So I'm definitely not saying, "Instead of airing Crowned three times a week, air SV three times a week instead." I was suggesting airing previous seasons of those shows. That way, viewers would still know that, if they want to watch the newest episode of a show, they still have to watch it on its regular night and time.
Also, when I'm thinking of the CW re-airing earlier seasons of certain shows, I'm thinking of putting them Sunday night and trying to build something there. Not throwing them on any old time.
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Also, people need to stop assuming that the CW can simply rebroadcast whatever they want at will. Broadcasting last year's episodes of Smallville again would likely cost them more than broadcasting Crowned repeatedly.
Oh, I know there are all sorts of issues involved with airing older seasons of their shows. But, right now, the CW is like a hamster spinning on a wheel. Filling up holes in their schedule with same-week airings of their comedies and reality shows isn't doing them any good, and they aren't going to make any progress if they just keep doing what they have been doing. They need to try something new, and the sooner the better. But, with the strike going on, their options are pretty limited. A new scripted show isn't likely. And another reality show might be cheap to make, but there's a big chance it would end up being another Crowned, which wouldn't do them much good.
Re-airing Crowned over and over again might be cheaper than airing an earlier season of Smallville. But it's not gonna get them anywhere.
Originally posted by Obveeus: There really is no reason to compare MNTV and CW as networks. MNTV has 'improved their ratings' by giving up on being an original programming network. Instead, they are just another net broadcasting movie reruns and archived content. That format can never be sucessful beyond a few million viewers so MNTV has essentially given up on growing itself as a network and is instead designing itself to be a creap rebroadcast outlet. CW is still trying to build itself as a actual firstrun broadcast network like CBS, ABC, NBC, and FOX.
I disagree that MyNetworkTV and The CW are not comparable as networks. Both networks have roughly the same number of affiliates and distribution model. As of mid-season, The CW is broadcasting roughly 7.5 original programming of 13 hours (58%) across the week, whereas MyNetworkTV is airing 6.5 original hours of 12 hours (54%) across the week.
And not all MyNetworkTV movies are encores...approximately one in four MNT theatricals is a broadcast network premiere, including esteemed titles such as Something Wild, The Cider House Rules, The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou, Mulholland Drive and Hotel Rwanda. Which is about the same ratio of premieres to encores as the theatricals that ABC airs.
Originally posted by dumont: I disagree that MyNetworkTV and The CW are not comparable as networks. Both networks have roughly the same number of affiliates and distribution model. As of mid-season, The CW is broadcasting roughly 7.5 original programming of 13 hours (58%) across the week, whereas MyNetworkTV is airing 6.5 original hours of 12 hours (54%) across the week.
Please explain to me what you are attempting to call 'original programming'. What 'original programming' did MNTV air this week? Airing movies (even broadcast premieres) is not original programming. Even claiming that the concert broadcasts (Conrtol Room Presents) are 'original' is stretching the limits of the definition. MNTV is not programming much 'original' material. Since they gave up on the telenovas, the closest they have to original programming is *some* of their reality stuff and even some of that is simply rebroadcasts of other network's programming.
Originally posted by dumont: I disagree that MyNetworkTV and The CW are not comparable as networks. Both networks have roughly the same number of affiliates and distribution model. As of mid-season, The CW is broadcasting roughly 7.5 original programming of 13 hours (58%) across the week, whereas MyNetworkTV is airing 6.5 original hours of 12 hours (54%) across the week.
Please explain to me what you are attempting to call 'original programming'. What 'original programming' did MNTV air this week? Airing movies (even broadcast premieres) is not original programming. Even claiming that the concert broadcasts (Conrtol Room Presents) are 'original' is stretching the limits of the definition. MNTV is not programming much 'original' material. Since they gave up on the telenovas, the closest they have to original programming is *some* of their reality stuff and even some of that is simply rebroadcasts of other network's programming.
In the last week, MNT broadcast 2 hours of broadcast 'originals' with the concert doubleheader on Christmas day of "Control Room Presents", plus 4 hours of broadcast premieres of theatrical films. I don't understand why you would not define "Control Room Presents..." as an original series...it has been broadcast no where else in the universe other than on MyNetworkTV.
In comparison, The CW programmed only 1.5 hours of 'originals' (WWE Smackdown was a clip-show this week).
As to mid-season, MyNetworkTV has quite a bit of 'original' programming being offered:
MONDAY: 8-9 pm Celebrity Expose (exclusive to MNT) 9-10 PM PARADISE HOTEL 2 (NEW, Feb.04, preems on MNT, late-night re-broadcast on FOX REALITY)
TUESDAY: 8-9 pm STREET PATROL (NEW Jan.08, exclusive to MNT) 9-9:30 pm Jail (broadcast premiere of COURT-TV source material)
WEDNESDAY: 8-9 pm - WHACKED OUT VIDEOS (NEW Jan.02, exclusive to MNT) 9-10 pm - MyNetworkSpecials (original specials including "Psychic Secrets Revealed", "The Harlem Globetrotters 80th Anniversary Special", "TV Guide Video On-Line Awards")
SATURDAY: 8-9 pm - NFL Total Access (exclusive to MNT) 9-10 pm - Control Room Presents...
And furthermore, last season when MyNetworkTV broadcast four full cycles and two half-cycles of the 'no-rerun' telenovellas, it led all networks during the regular season in the number of hours devoted to original scripted entertainment as a proportion of its schedule.
They have to air something during the writers' strike.
