That's my guess.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by NYHunter:
Clearly, they have a reason for it or else they wouldn't be doing it.

Networks forced to take a 'loss' so that parent companies can garner DVD sales and 'good favor' relationships with other studios?

I think Flashpoint's numbers stink. Even on a Friday night it was against almost no competition, and it lost viewers and demo from last week. All three of these new CBS shows are a goner after their summer runs.

ABC must like that up-tick in viewers in the 8-9 hour. Now after next Friday it's Friday Night Movies on ABC. Hasnt ABC learned anything from FOX's numbers with the movies? I don't see what's wrong with airing repeats of AFHV, it doesnt do that bad.

Flashpoint did drop, but it did rise in the half hour, which is always good. I watched the show for the first time last night, and I liked it. I will keep watching. If it gets renewed I'll be happy with that, if it's cancelled I won't be devestated.

The numbers for Flashpoint aren't great but considering how CBS' summer has gone to this point, they're probably still pleased.



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Originally posted by tvfan300:
The numbers for Flashpoint aren't great but considering how CBS' summer has gone to this point, they're probably still pleased.



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Yes, but definitely not enough to get renewed. Unless it gets higher ratings in the coming weeks it is done at summer's end.

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Originally posted by Twins12:
I think Flashpoint's numbers stink. Even on a Friday night it was against almost no competition,

I agree with you on that. I'll add that Friday is the one night of the week least likely to suffer from people 'needing' to go to bed so they can get up the next morning.

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All three of these new CBS shows are a goner after their summer runs.

I still think the doggy show has a shot at living beyond this summer if it doesn't keep dropping in the ratings. Those reality shows normally pick up at the end as viewers get more interested and that show has to cost about 1/10th of what Flashpoint or Swingtown cost.

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Originally posted by Zedman2:
The rise at 10:30 is basically due to the fact that it's summer and during the summer HUT levels rise in the 10pm hour. Even 20/20 increased at the half hour. Only Dateline droped.

I don't buy that as an across the board explanation. Flashpoint didn't have a 3/4million rise last week at the half hour.

Below are last week's overnights. The increase last night may have been larger but the pattern is the same, an increase of viewers at the half hour.

10:00 p.m.

ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 5.01 million (#2), 18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)

CBS – Flashpoint (premiere)
Viewers: 8.03 million (#1), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)

NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 6.35 million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)

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10:30 p.m.

ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 5.47 million (#3), 18-49: 1.6/ 6 (#2)

CBS – Flashpoint (premiere)
Viewers: 8.23 million (#1), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)

NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 5.89 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#3)

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Originally posted by Zedman2:

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by Zedman2:
The rise at 10:30 is basically due to the fact that it's summer and during the summer HUT levels rise in the 10pm hour. Even 20/20 increased at the half hour. Only Dateline droped.

I don't buy that as an across the board explanation. Flashpoint didn't have a 3/4million rise last week at the half hour.

Below are last week's overnights. The increase last night may have been larger but the pattern is the same, an increase of viewers at the half hour.

10:00 p.m.

ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 5.01 million (#2), 18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)

CBS – Flashpoint (premiere)
Viewers: 8.03 million (#1), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)

NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 6.35 million (#2), A18-49: 1.5/ 5 (#2)

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10:30 p.m.

ABC – 20/20
Viewers: 5.47 million (#3), 18-49: 1.6/ 6 (#2)

CBS – Flashpoint (premiere)
Viewers: 8.23 million (#1), A18-49: 1.9/ 6 (#1)

NBC – Dateline
Viewers: 5.89 million (#2), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#3)

The increase in the half hour means nothing. The other two CBS shows also always increase half hour to half hour. Almost all hour long shows get higher ratings in the second half hour. Look at House on Monday nights. It gets over a million more viewers in the second half hour. Marc doesn't usually post both half hours for the dramas so you only see one hourly number. Almost every decent hour show gets higher ratings in the second half hour.

The bottom line is Flashpoint lost viewers and demo from last week, and it had absolutely no competition. With no other show in the time slot drawing people away from it that means some people did not like what they saw last week. Not very good.

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The increase in the half hour means nothing. The other two CBS shows also always increase half hour to half hour. Almost all hour long shows get higher ratings in the second half hour. Look at House on Monday nights. It gets over a million more viewers in the second half hour. Marc doesn't usually post both half hours for the dramas so you only see one hourly number. Almost every decent hour show gets higher ratings in the second half hour.

The bottom line is Flashpoint lost viewers and demo from last week, and it had absolutely no competition. With no other show in the time slot drawing people away from it that means some people did not like what they saw last week. Not very good.

Right, because no other show loses viewers or drops in the demo the week after the premiere....1 million, my god, how drastic! Nothing like Bionic Woman going from 13 million to 10!

I thin Flashpoint dropped even more than Swingtown did between first and second episodes. IF not, then they dropped about evenly. Either so, maybe CBS should consider switching Flashpoint and Swingtown quick - I do agree that both would benefit.

I did feel the people on the board were giving FLASHPOINT too much credit this past week saying how it should be switched with SWINGTOWN because it was the stronger show...but now it looks like it may be following the same downward trajectory as SWINGTOWN did...so it may prove its equal rather than superior.

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Originally posted by Justin:

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The increase in the half hour means nothing. The other two CBS shows also always increase half hour to half hour. Almost all hour long shows get higher ratings in the second half hour. Look at House on Monday nights. It gets over a million more viewers in the second half hour. Marc doesn't usually post both half hours for the dramas so you only see one hourly number. Almost every decent hour show gets higher ratings in the second half hour.

The bottom line is Flashpoint lost viewers and demo from last week, and it had absolutely no competition. With no other show in the time slot drawing people away from it that means some people did not like what they saw last week. Not very good.

Right, because no other show loses viewers or drops in the demo the week after the premiere....1 million, my god, how drastic! Nothing like Bionic Woman going from 13 million to 10!

You are telling a half truth. The one important factor you are leaving out is no competition. Those other shows faced competition. If there were other good shows on opposite Flashpoint I could see people naturally leaving to watch those shows. Flashpoint has no competition on opposite it, and should not be losing viewers so fast. This reminds me of the Moonlight thing, where it always finished first in its time slot, but against no competition so the first place meant really nothing.

Anybody insisting on an explanation for the large half hour bump may want to consider that there was a reairing last week after COLD CASE, and it is entirely possible that some first timers from that airing belatedly found the show on friday nite after the 10pm hour.

Does this matter? No, and yes. No, in that there are all sorts of dynamics going into these ratings and all we know is the bottom line. Yes, in that a new drama in the obscure wilds of friday nite make take a while to sort itself out. I mean, can anybody rule out an uptick to say, 7.5mm and 1.8 next week? Of course not, and I also note that % change analysis at these levels of ratings can be problematic, and I said the same thing about the early analysis of S-TOWN.

If you want a "harbinger" for next week, take a look at how FP does tomorrow nite. Last week it posted about the same numbers as COLD CASE did, slightly less TA and the same demo.

I agree that Flashpoint has absolutely no competition. If CBS were to bring it back mid-season, regardless of the night, it would go against originals and it would suffer. A show barely getting 7 million with repeats as competition could get buried against stronger competition. The only positive that Flashpoint can claim is unlike Swingtown, at least it isn't losing a massive amount of the lead in ratings.

This whole Flashpoint argument reminds me so much of the Moonlight argument. The pro-Moonlight forces would always argue that it finished first in its time slot even though it lost viewers from its lead in every week. To me, since it went up against no competition its first place meant nothing. To me, with Flashpoint up against virtually nothing it needs to get better numbers than 7 million and a demo in the mid to upper 1's. With no competition its numbers are very weak. Do they get weaker or stronger, that is what we have to watch, but right now they are very weak against no competition.