Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: Still won 18-34 and ABC wins 18-49, If the strike ends we will finish 9 more episodes and likely move into season 2.
The win on 18-34 women aside, ABC's win in the 18-49 had nothing to do with DSM. DSM barely beat out Kid Nation in the demo (though they did manage to beat two of the Fox reruns).
I realize that you are very invested in this show, and I'm glad the people who work on the show are passionate about it. BUT, if it continues to lose viewers every week and gets beat by a show on the CW, it isn't going to last the season much less get a second season. It's not at 6.5 million yet, but given the trend, it will hit that in the next couple of new episodes.
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Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: Still won 18-34 and ABC wins 18-49, If the strike ends we will finish 9 more episodes and likely move into season 2.
The win on 18-34 women aside, ABC's win in the 18-49 had nothing to do with DSM. DSM barely beat out Kid Nation in the demo (though they did manage to beat two of the Fox reruns).
I realize that you are very invested in this show, and I'm glad the people who work on the show are passionate about it. BUT, if it continues to lose viewers every week and gets beat by a show on the CW, it isn't going to last the season much less get a second season. It's not at 6.5 million yet, but given the trend, it will hit that in the next couple of new episodes.
You're right Holly. The break may end up being a savior because it has been really dropping in viewership. Despite the storyline getting better imo, I'm even finding it hard to get motivated to view the eps online. I hope if the situation looks grim that the producers wrap up the storyline.
Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: Still won 18-34 and ABC wins 18-49, If the strike ends we will finish 9 more episodes and likely move into season 2.
The win on 18-34 women aside, ABC's win in the 18-49 had nothing to do with DSM. DSM barely beat out Kid Nation in the demo (though they did manage to beat two of the Fox reruns).
I realize that you are very invested in this show, and I'm glad the people who work on the show are passionate about it. BUT, if it continues to lose viewers every week and gets beat by a show on the CW, it isn't going to last the season much less get a second season. It's not at 6.5 million yet, but given the trend, it will hit that in the next couple of new episodes.
Im just depressed, trying to find any grain of positivity. I do feel the core has stayed and the fringes tuned out. No writers, no lead in, no more original eppy's w. We are in trouble but it is not due to ratings yet.
obviously the bottom line is DSM did not WIN the night for ABC, and we did worse than I imagined we could. 6.7-7.1 is where we have been 3 straight, not good.. mid eights please.
ABC's "Dirty Sexy Ranks No. 1 at 10pm with Adults 18-34 and Women 18-34
Number one show with the 18-34 group and #1 in women 18-34 again 9/10 times. ABC loves the fact the show is getting young viewers and is most popular with women.. So this is a bright spot. we got the pickup to hold our dominance in this demo and even with low overall viewers we still WIN.
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Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: Still won 18-34 and ABC wins 18-49, If the strike ends we will finish 9 more episodes and likely move into season 2.
The win on 18-34 women aside, ABC's win in the 18-49 had nothing to do with DSM. DSM barely beat out Kid Nation in the demo (though they did manage to beat two of the Fox reruns).
I realize that you are very invested in this show, and I'm glad the people who work on the show are passionate about it. BUT, if it continues to lose viewers every week and gets beat by a show on the CW, it isn't going to last the season much less get a second season. It's not at 6.5 million yet, but given the trend, it will hit that in the next couple of new episodes.
Im just depressed, trying to find any grain of positivity. I do feel the core has stayed and the fringes tuned out. No writers, no lead in, no more original eppy's w. We are in trouble but it is not due to ratings yet.
obviously the bottom line is DSM did not WIN the night for ABC, and we did worse than I imagined we could. 6.7-7.1 is where we have been 3 straight, not good.. mid eights please.
ABC's "Dirty Sexy Ranks No. 1 at 10pm with Adults 18-34 and Women 18-34
Number one show with the 18-34 group and #1 in women 18-34 again 9/10 times. ABC loves the fact the show is getting young viewers and is most popular with women.. So this is a bright spot. we got the pickup to hold our dominance in this demo and even with low overall viewers we still WIN.
Your enthusiasm is admirable but unfortunately you are probably setting yourself for a fall. In your previous posts you’ve alluded to the fact that you are involved with the show in a professional capacity. I’m guessing from your enthusiasm that you are probably an intern? Give yourself a few years in the business, that wonderful enthusiasm I’m betting will falter rather quickly. LOL
As far as the show, and I mean no disrespect towards you, but I’m fairly sure DSM won’t be seeing a second season or for that matter a twenty-two episode first season. Even if the strike ended tomorrow, the revenue just isn’t there. You know I’m sure from working on the show that they have been having budget problems since day one. ABC was hoping that the show would catch on and the revenue would balance out the budget. If DSM was the type of show that they could count on to generate extra money through merchandising sales then perhaps it would have a better chance of staying on the air but it’s not that type of show. Basically it’s not a cult show such as “Buffy” or “Alias” which is a prime example of a show with very similar ratings and demos that ABC kept around for five years because there was a lot of back-end revenue. DSM doesn’t have the same back-end potential that “Alias” did, so it’s a pretty good bet that if they have enough shows to fill it’s spot, it will be gone sooner than later.
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Originally posted by DirtySexyJ: How is 6.745 hovering around 6.5m??????
A number is a number it is a season low but it is not 6.5, its closer to 6.8.
You guys are so biased it is silly.
Still won 18-34 and ABC wins 18-49, If the strike ends we will finish 9 more episodes and likely move into season 2. This weeks number is disappointing but it shows the CORE exactly where it has been. Mr, Riff you continue to hate, it is fine, you win today but your shortsightedness is your weakness.
Obveeus, we will be back as long as the strike ends, contracts have already been signed.
The only thing will be signed for you next year are your unemployment checks. But the good news is, since the strike will be "settled shortly" (March is shortly, right?), that gives you more than enough time to look for alternate means of income. Hey, I hear McDonald's is hiring for the holidays. Ba ba ba ba ba, I'm lovin' it.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
I am a big fan of DSM, but the show is losing viewers and unless it shows some way to stop the losses here soon, it will be toast come May. I think Private Practice and Pushing Daisies will see season two regardless of strike and maybe Women's Murder Club and Samantha Who, but DSM and Big Shots are goners unless ABC has nothing else and judging by the oodles of stuff they have available, they'll be fine.
I think that unless this strike is resolved much sooner rather than later that a show that is even doing halfway decent has a strong shot at renewal for next season especially if the strike isn't resolved in time for pilot season. About WMC, I love that show, but unless it's ratings pick up in the demos it may not get picked up for next season and it should be noted that it still hasn't received a full season pick up for this season from ABC yet and until it does (if it does) that may not bode well for it either. IMO, I think Big Shots is most likely a goner, because it has almost no positive buzz about it. I can't see ABC hanging on to it. DSM's ratings may not be great, but it does have excellent buzz and even though it did pretty bad in last week's ratings, I wouldn't think that one bad episode ratings wise doesn't constitute it getting cancelled or not picked up for next season. I've seen several shows picked up for second seasons with equal or lesser ratings than that and its usually because the critics and/or the audiences love those shows. Of course, DSM does have the problem that I would imagine it costs quite alot to make (Donald Sutherland and Jill Clayburgh's salaries alone I would imagine are quite high). I don't think DSM has it made in the shade (unfortunately), but I do think it has a better shot than some here are making it out to have. Of course, that's only my opinion.
Originally posted by Shannon: IMO, I think Big Shots is most likely a goner, because it has almost no positive buzz about it. I can't see ABC hanging on to it.
Originally posted by Shannon: I think that unless this strike is resolved much sooner rather than later that a show that is even doing halfway decent has a strong shot at renewal for next season especially if the strike isn't resolved in time for pilot season. About WMC, I love that show, but unless it's ratings pick up in the demos it may not get picked up for next season and it should be noted that it still hasn't received a full season pick up for this season from ABC yet and until it does (if it does) that may not bode well for it either. IMO, I think Big Shots is most likely a goner, because it has almost no positive buzz about it. I can't see ABC hanging on to it. DSM's ratings may not be great, but it does have excellent buzz and even though it did pretty bad in last week's ratings, I wouldn't think that one bad episode ratings wise doesn't constitute it getting cancelled or not picked up for next season. I've seen several shows picked up for second seasons with equal or lesser ratings than that and its usually because the critics and/or the audiences love those shows. Of course, DSM does have the problem that I would imagine it costs quite alot to make (Donald Sutherland and Jill Clayburgh's salaries alone I would imagine are quite high). I don't think DSM has it made in the shade (unfortunately), but I do think it has a better shot than some here are making it out to have. Of course, that's only my opinion.
I agree with you on "Big Sh*ts" (kind of hard not to with the recent developments), and I agreed with you on "DSM" up until a point. That point was, you know, when it started flopping.
I can't say I agree about "Women's Murder Club." Its demos are a liability, sure, but it turned on some lights for ABC on Friday. They would be incredibly foolish to shut those lights off. I think the proof will be when it does something most procedurals do that just about no ABC show does. Repeats well.
The non-pickup would be a bad sign in any other year, but this season, the rule book is thrown out. And because of that, I think we'll be seeing a handful of shows return for second seasons that were never given back nines.
-- "Better Off Ted," Wednesdays at some time or another at some point or another in the near future. Because we can't all live in mansions and not ever work like the people on "Modern Family."
Originally posted by Riff Rafferty: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Shannon: I think that unless this strike is resolved much sooner rather than later that a show that is even doing halfway decent has a strong shot at renewal for next season especially if the strike isn't resolved in time for pilot season. About WMC, I love that show, but unless it's ratings pick up in the demos it may not get picked up for next season and it should be noted that it still hasn't received a full season pick up for this season from ABC yet and until it does (if it does) that may not bode well for it either. IMO, I think Big Shots is most likely a goner, because it has almost no positive buzz about it. I can't see ABC hanging on to it. DSM's ratings may not be great, but it does have excellent buzz and even though it did pretty bad in last week's ratings, I wouldn't think that one bad episode ratings wise doesn't constitute it getting cancelled or not picked up for next season. I've seen several shows picked up for second seasons with equal or lesser ratings than that and its usually because the critics and/or the audiences love those shows. Of course, DSM does have the problem that I would imagine it costs quite alot to make (Donald Sutherland and Jill Clayburgh's salaries alone I would imagine are quite high). I don't think DSM has it made in the shade (unfortunately), but I do think it has a better shot than some here are making it out to have. Of course, that's only my opinion.
I agree with you on "Big Sh*ts" (kind of hard not to with the recent developments), and I agreed with you on "DSM" up until a point. That point was, you know, when it started flopping.
I can't say I agree about "Women's Murder Club." Its demos are a liability, sure, but it turned on some lights for ABC on Friday. They would be incredibly foolish to shut those lights off. I think the proof will be when it does something most procedurals do that just about no ABC show does. Repeats well.
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I agree -- and WMC has already proven it repeats well: this Saturday (yes, Saturday) it pulled in over 5 million viewers at 10pm, something several shows (NFTU, October Road, Men In Trees) struggle to do with originals on better nights... WMC is here to stay!
Originally posted by Riff Rafferty: The non-pickup would be a bad sign in any other year, but this season, the rule book is thrown out. And because of that, I think we'll be seeing a handful of shows return for second seasons that were never given back nines.
Yep ... I just read this article ... http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-strikevspilotseason,0...l=zap-news-headlines ... and it looks like unless this strike is resolved real, real soon that pilot season may very well be kaput and that shows that never even got a back nine ordered may be back (I am thrilled on one hand when I think about "WMC", but then I think about shows like "Cavemen" and other shows like that and I'm thinking "uugh"). It's absolutely insane and I think after reading this that anything can happen and its like you said, the rule book has been thrown out, so who really knows exactly what all that will be???
Originally posted by Obveeus: I doubt ANTM will set a ratings record with this season's finale becasue there are some viewers that will not watch for the simple reason that their horse is no longer in the race. However, the ratings will be back over 5.5million (probably 6million) because people really do want to find out who wins the whole thing. The outdoor 'runway' venue in China looks interesting as well.
You're on! I predict it will do less than 5.5 million.
Looks like the 5.5million level was right about where the numbers turned out. It will come right down to the Nielsen Wednesday 'finals', huh?
