Wow, those ABC comedy numbers back in the day make the numbers today look like a complete embarrassment. I never realized My Wife and Kids used to do so well - close to 12 million and a 4.7 demo? Even Modern Family couldn't hold numbers like that for a normal episode. And Til Death getting 7.36 million? I honestly don't ever remember that happening, lol. Had FOX kept their comedy block of Back to You/Til Death, they could have found decent success in the comedy business. And Old Christine/Gary Unmarried were up from last year - I believe this is the first time this season they were actually up from year ago levels. That's a very good sign.
Originally posted by Julie: Like I said before, I think with Hank gone, we could see Christine pull in these numbers regularly from now on. I bet the audience will return to The Middle next week, though, which will hurt Gary.
I think repeats of Modern Family could very well outdo Hank's numbers as of late and create actual competition with Christine at 8pm. If Modern Family outdoes Hank (at the least it shouldn't do any worse) that will help the Middle (which is finding its groove). What may end up hurting the most is ABC scheduling holiday specials on Wednesdays at 8 into the comedy block. They easily have enough Charlie Brown, Grinch, and other animated stuff to fill the slot from the night before Thanksgiving to the New Year. At that point, they'll either go with repeats again until after the Olympics or air a different program there (possibly Ugly Betty).
The best scenario yet for CBS is to shift the extra comedy hour to Sundays at 8pm where they would skew different than Fox's younger male skewing animated block and give an alternative to whatever NBC ends up with there and EXM: Home Edition.
Originally posted by Julie: Wow, those ABC comedy numbers back in the day make the numbers today look like a complete embarrassment. I never realized My Wife and Kids used to do so well - close to 12 million and a 4.7 demo? Even Modern Family couldn't hold numbers like that for a normal episode. And Til Death getting 7.36 million? I honestly don't ever remember that happening, lol. Had FOX kept their comedy block of Back to You/Til Death, they could have found decent success in the comedy business. And Old Christine/Gary Unmarried were up from last year - I believe this is the first time this season they were actually up from year ago levels. That's a very good sign.
I complained so much when Fox decided to pull Back to You. That sitcom had so much potential, and despite large costs to produce, it should have been placed else where. Granted it was behind American Idol, that does not guarantee automatic success. Those are two completely incompatible shows!
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Originally posted by Julie: Like I said before, I think with Hank gone, we could see Christine pull in these numbers regularly from now on. I bet the audience will return to The Middle next week, though, which will hurt Gary.
I think repeats of Modern Family could very well outdo Hank's numbers as of late and create actual competition with Christine at 8pm. If Modern Family outdoes Hank (at the least it shouldn't do any worse) that will help the Middle (which is finding its groove). What may end up hurting the most is ABC scheduling holiday specials on Wednesdays at 8 into the comedy block. They easily have enough Charlie Brown, Grinch, and other animated stuff to fill the slot from the night before Thanksgiving to the New Year. At that point, they'll either go with repeats again until after the Olympics or air a different program there (possibly Ugly Betty).
The best scenario yet for CBS is to shift the extra comedy hour to Sundays at 8pm where they would skew different than Fox's younger male skewing animated block and give an alternative to whatever NBC ends up with there and EXM: Home Edition.
I'm all for CBS moving this Wednesday comedy block to Sunday, once football is over, but I just don't think it's gonna happen. CBS wouldn't have kept this block around if they didn't want to do something with it. I think their eventual intent is to create another 2 hour comedy block, and they seem to want it on Wednesdays.
I still don't believe Modern Family repeats will do any better than Hank. It will probably pull in a better demo, thus helping The Middle, but I don't think it'll hurt Old Christine/Gary Unmarried any.
Originally posted by Julie: Wow, those ABC comedy numbers back in the day make the numbers today look like a complete embarrassment. I never realized My Wife and Kids used to do so well - close to 12 million and a 4.7 demo? Even Modern Family couldn't hold numbers like that for a normal episode. And Til Death getting 7.36 million? I honestly don't ever remember that happening, lol. Had FOX kept their comedy block of Back to You/Til Death, they could have found decent success in the comedy business. And Old Christine/Gary Unmarried were up from last year - I believe this is the first time this season they were actually up from year ago levels. That's a very good sign.
I complained so much when Fox decided to pull Back to You. That sitcom had so much potential, and despite large costs to produce, it should have been placed else where. Granted it was behind American Idol, that does not guarantee automatic success. Those are two completely incompatible shows!
Don't even get me started on Back to You! lol. It's funny you bring it up, because I was just watching a few episodes off the DVD. And I agree completely - BTY was a fantastic show, heapings better than Hank and probably better than The Middle. It was funny, hysterical at times, and very well acted, even when the writing wasn't perfect. They kept it traditional-feeling, although it still felt like a sitcom you'd see on CBS. By the end, it was really finding its groove - that's completely evident in one of the unaired episodes, "House of Tomorrow," which IMO was the best episode of the entire series. FOX made one BIG mistake when they let this show go, because who knows where it would have gone with a full second season.
Originally posted by Julie: Wow, those ABC comedy numbers back in the day make the numbers today look like a complete embarrassment. I never realized My Wife and Kids used to do so well - close to 12 million and a 4.7 demo? Even Modern Family couldn't hold numbers like that for a normal episode. And Til Death getting 7.36 million? I honestly don't ever remember that happening, lol. Had FOX kept their comedy block of Back to You/Til Death, they could have found decent success in the comedy business. And Old Christine/Gary Unmarried were up from last year - I believe this is the first time this season they were actually up from year ago levels. That's a very good sign.
I complained so much when Fox decided to pull Back to You. That sitcom had so much potential, and despite large costs to produce, it should have been placed else where. Granted it was behind American Idol, that does not guarantee automatic success. Those are two completely incompatible shows!
Don't even get me started on Back to You! lol. It's funny you bring it up, because I was just watching a few episodes off the DVD. And I agree completely - BTY was a fantastic show, heapings better than Hank and probably better than The Middle. It was funny, hysterical at times, and very well acted, even when the writing wasn't perfect. They kept it traditional-feeling, although it still felt like a sitcom you'd see on CBS. By the end, it was really finding its groove - that's completely evident in one of the unaired episodes, "House of Tomorrow," which IMO was the best episode of the entire series. FOX made one BIG mistake when they let this show go, because who knows where it would have gone with a full second season.
I am a fan of Gary Unmarried. It is a consistently funny show. If the show ran on Monday at 8:30, it would probably outperform what AOP is doing now.
Honestly, if it was at 9:30, it may not pull BBT numbers, but I bet it would hold 85-90% of the Two and a Half Men lead-in.
Very underrated show, really mispaired with Old Christine.
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Originally posted by Bruce: CSI event - it looks like this has spiked the first two shows so far, with Miami returning to levels it had before Adam Rodriguez left the series and NY showing a big spike out of a reduced CM, though aided by CMA's weakest hour. I think modest one time increases in ratings is all that they can expect from this relatively minor event. By the way, how is it going, for anyone watchng it? I'll probably check the original out tonite.
I may not be the best judge because I can't stand CSI:Miami, so Monday night was pretty painful to watch. The acting sucked, the weird camera work and split screens were distracting, and the focus seemed to be more on the gruesomeness of the case, with a plot full of holes and cheesy moments. But I survived. Then on to NY. Somewhat better acting, Senise much easier to watch than Caruso; but here it was mostly predictable and with the focus on action. I'll tune in tonight, or at least dvr it, to see the finish; but it's not very compelling, IMO. I don't know if it's because I still don't care enough aboout LF's character to care where he is, or I just don't care for the spin-offs; probably a little of both.
ETA: The good news is you can probably watch tonite and follow along without seeing these first two.
Originally posted by Julie: Wow, those ABC comedy numbers back in the day make the numbers today look like a complete embarrassment. I never realized My Wife and Kids used to do so well - close to 12 million and a 4.7 demo? Even Modern Family couldn't hold numbers like that for a normal episode. And Til Death getting 7.36 million? I honestly don't ever remember that happening, lol. Had FOX kept their comedy block of Back to You/Til Death, they could have found decent success in the comedy business. And Old Christine/Gary Unmarried were up from last year - I believe this is the first time this season they were actually up from year ago levels. That's a very good sign.
I complained so much when Fox decided to pull Back to You. That sitcom had so much potential, and despite large costs to produce, it should have been placed else where. Granted it was behind American Idol, that does not guarantee automatic success. Those are two completely incompatible shows!
Don't even get me started on Back to You! lol. It's funny you bring it up, because I was just watching a few episodes off the DVD. And I agree completely - BTY was a fantastic show, heapings better than Hank and probably better than The Middle. It was funny, hysterical at times, and very well acted, even when the writing wasn't perfect. They kept it traditional-feeling, although it still felt like a sitcom you'd see on CBS. By the end, it was really finding its groove - that's completely evident in one of the unaired episodes, "House of Tomorrow," which IMO was the best episode of the entire series. FOX made one BIG mistake when they let this show go, because who knows where it would have gone with a full second season.
I am a fan of Gary Unmarried. It is a consistently funny show. If the show ran on Monday at 8:30, it would probably outperform what AOP is doing now.
Honestly, if it was at 9:30, it may not pull BBT numbers, but I bet it would hold 85-90% of the Two and a Half Men lead-in.
Very underrated show, really mispaired with Old Christine.
I think the pair-up of it with Old Christine is actually a good one, and I don't think it's Old Christine that's pulling it down - the hour is just lowly rated as a whole, no matter what's airing there.
But, I agree with you - I think GU would do better airing after HIMYM than Accidentally on Purpose. If it were airing after Men, it would probably do similar numbers to what ROE, or even OC, used to do after Men, though. It's numbers are okay, but keep in mind, this week was a bump for it. Last week, it had something like 6.2 million and a 2.0 demo.
According to Sports Illustrated, The Who has been tapped to play CBS' Super Bowl halftime show in January. All three versions of the network's "CSI" use Who songs as themes, so the choice would make for a certain synergy. The NFL, which nowadays strictly controls the halftime show's content instead of the host network (cough-Janet Jackson-cough) has not confirmed the report.
The more intriguing guessing game for the industry is: Which CBS program will receive the coveted post-Super Bowl slot?
CBS has not yet decided, but network executives generally look for a fairly young-skewing show (sorry "Good Wife"!) that also has the potential to draw a huge audience (sorry "Three Rivers"!).
Here are the current contenders:
-- "The Big Bang Theory" -- The most successful post-Super Bowl telecast in recent history was NBC airing another hit comedy, "Friends," which drew 52.9 million viewers. "Big Bang" is such a fresh hit for the network and skews younger (and more male) than some CBS shows. The comedy doesn't need the ratings help, but I'm not sure the network cares about that anyway -- Super Bowl shows rarely make a significant long-term difference. A combo hour with "How I Met Your Mother" or special one-hour "Big Bang" seems like a smart bet.
-- "The Mentalist" or "NCIS: Los Angeles" -- Either crime drama could benefit from added sampling. "The Mentalist" in particular could make a fine match, what with the drama growing in recent weeks since moving to Thursdays and possibly switching with "CSI" at some point to take over the keystone 9 p.m. slot. But when it last telecast the Super Bowl, CBS paired the game with another crime procedural, "Criminal Minds," which drew a weak 26 million viewers.
-- "Survivor" -- Since "Survivor" has family-friendly athletic action, it tends to pair well with the Big Game. CBS has aired "Survivor" after the Super Bowl twice before and the first of those occasions (for the show's second season) was a huge ratings success, drawing 45 million viewers. Also, "Survivor" tends to hold its premiere audience better than most shows. Plus the next "Survivor" is the "Heroes vs. Villains" All-Star round which might help its chances ... still, I suspect CBS will opt to showcase a newer program.
I am confused here.....the Super-Bowl pulled a weak 26 million viewers or Criminal Minds garnered that number after the football game?
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Originally posted by lopez: What show will follow the Super Bowl on CBS?
-- "The Mentalist" or "NCIS: Los Angeles" -- Either crime drama could benefit from added sampling. "The Mentalist" in particular could make a fine match, what with the drama growing in recent weeks since moving to Thursdays and possibly switching with "CSI" at some point to take over the keystone 9 p.m. slot. But when it last telecast the Super Bowl, CBS paired the game with another crime procedural, "Criminal Minds," which drew a weak 26 million viewers.
Originally posted by wenart25: I am confused here.....the Super-Bowl pulled a weak 26 million viewers or Criminal Minds garnered that number after the football game?
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Originally posted by lopez: What show will follow the Super Bowl on CBS?
-- "The Mentalist" or "NCIS: Los Angeles" -- Either crime drama could benefit from added sampling. "The Mentalist" in particular could make a fine match, what with the drama growing in recent weeks since moving to Thursdays and possibly switching with "CSI" at some point to take over the keystone 9 p.m. slot. But when it last telecast the Super Bowl, CBS paired the game with another crime procedural, "Criminal Minds," which drew a weak 26 million viewers.
I think for the Super Bowl slot, it's between The Big Bang Theory and The Mentalist and I think it's likely to be The Mentalist but I'm fine with either show getting it. Not sure why Criminal Minds Super Bowl ratings are considered weak because House only drew 3m more and The Office did 3m less and they both had higher rated Super Bowls.
Originally posted by wenart25: I am confused here.....the Super-Bowl pulled a weak 26 million viewers or Criminal Minds garnered that number after the football game?
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Originally posted by lopez: What show will follow the Super Bowl on CBS?
-- "The Mentalist" or "NCIS: Los Angeles" -- Either crime drama could benefit from added sampling. "The Mentalist" in particular could make a fine match, what with the drama growing in recent weeks since moving to Thursdays and possibly switching with "CSI" at some point to take over the keystone 9 p.m. slot. But when it last telecast the Super Bowl, CBS paired the game with another crime procedural, "Criminal Minds," which drew a weak 26 million viewers.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Depending on what they do with the CBS comedies come Mid-season, I would separate these two comedies. ROE and GU would work well together. OC and AOP could also work better together, or at least move them away from the funnier comedies.
Place OC and AOP on Sundays at 8pm Place GU and ROE on Wednesdays at 8pm Launch a new comedy at 8:30 on Mondays.
I will never understand the reasoning that putting comedies on Sundays at 8:00 p.m. will magically transform CBS's mediocre performance into something successful.
"Rules of Engagement" is the only comedy that I know of that CBS has in reserve. It is likely too far into the season to get a comedy in the pipeline ready for midseason.
A more plausible scenario is that one of the Wednesday comedies or "Accidentally on Purpose" will go on hiatus to keep from airing reruns, allowing "Engagement" to fill in for the benched comedy.
Comedies on Sundays at 8:00 p.m. is a pipe dream, at least for this season, and maybe beyond.
CBS Sundays are in really bad shape. I don't think there will be a 2nd edition of TAR this season, and CC & 3R are tanking in the ratings. Placng ANOTHER mediocrre crime show in there s not going to cut it. CBS needs to totally revamp the night and Comedies at 8pm would be great counter programming.
