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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by robert:
What's amazing is how old Moonlight skews. Basically just as old as C2H last year. I would've thought it would do less thatn 7 million in viewers but much much better in demos

Do you have the list of the demo numbers for Moonlight for all the aired episodes so far? I'm curious to see what episodes did best with the younger audience.

Excellent list here, breaking down week to week for varying demos...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/11/18/moonlight-ratings-2007-2008/1820

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
a. It was Alexis Bledel who was reluctant to go for another season. Lauren Graham was a go.

If that was true, Lauren Graham would have signed on to continue the series without Alex since she was given that option.

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b. In the weeks immediately preceding the cancellation notice, we were told the show will be back for 13 eps. In fact, the cast and crew were told just that, and in the season wrap party they all said to each other "see you in July".

That would be after the network thought the actresses were going to agree to 13 episodes and before the actresses 'changed their minds yet again' and tried to cut their commitment down to just 9 episodes.

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Lauren Graham herself said in an interview conducted the day after CW's unfortunate cancellation notice that she was very surprised by the decision.

Yes, the she was very surprised that CW didn't cav eto the actresses outright 'extortion level' demands.

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You were also wrong claiming the show's powers that be did not prepare for the possibility of a cancellation, as the finale was written as both a series and a season finale and indeed could fit both eventualities. In my opinion, it was an excellent series finale.

Veronica Mars was the show that refused to do a series finale becasue the creator was too wrapped up in the belief that he could force feed the network a 'spinoff' idea about her joining the FBI. Gilmore Girls slapped a finale together after the actresses forced the show to be cancelled.

Lauren Graham didn't want to work another season on GG not Bledel

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by robert:

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I suggest you read Matt Roush, for starters. He seems to be more knowledgeable about television and tv business and he keeps saying CBS will renew. In fact, I'm sure you are being so venomous because deep down inside you know the show is renewed, and you have no other outlet for your frustration. For your own good, I'd suggest you lay off and calm down.
I am off to watch the ep again and enjoy every minute of it!

I hate usually what Roush writes so i won't even bother.
Do you really think i care if Moonlight gets renwed or not? Oh please, i don't even watch TV on fridays.
It's just that i hate the "fanboy" phenomenon.

you claim you don't even watch the show, yet you hate it with such venom.. At least I've tried to watch atrocities like Lost a couple of times before I passed my judgment. I also would never try to bash people who happen to be fans of the show. They are allowed to post about it if they like. I have a right to despise it, but at least I have a reason.

Not everyone has to love Moonlight, but I don't think people here are letting their dislike of the show cloud their judgement on the ratings.
I think it's the fans like you, the ones that are are so in love with the show, you are the ones who get personally offended if people don't blindly agree with your opinion about Moonlight.

Well..the ratings for Moonlight are not great. They're not horrible either...hence the reason the show is "on the bubble." That's a fact.
If the show was getting such steady and good ratings like you claim CBS would have renewed in February when they made their first announcment for next season shows.
There are positive things about the show's ratings...like it wins it's time slot, and there are negative things too....like it loses it's lead in every week.

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Originally posted by phaedre:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by robert:
What's amazing is how old Moonlight skews. Basically just as old as C2H last year. I would've thought it would do less thatn 7 million in viewers but much much better in demos

Do you have the list of the demo numbers for Moonlight for all the aired episodes so far? I'm curious to see what episodes did best with the younger audience.

Excellent list here, breaking down week to week for varying demos...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/11/18/moonlight-ratings-2007-2008/1820

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by phaedre:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by robert:
What's amazing is how old Moonlight skews. Basically just as old as C2H last year. I would've thought it would do less thatn 7 million in viewers but much much better in demos

Do you have the list of the demo numbers for Moonlight for all the aired episodes so far? I'm curious to see what episodes did best with the younger audience.

Excellent list here, breaking down week to week for varying demos...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/11/18/moonlight-ratings-2007-2008/1820

Thank you.

I'm waiting for Mredman to spin this one LOL !!The ratings/demos decline is very obvious and as a ML fan it is hard to see

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Originally posted by Pam:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by phaedre:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by robert:
What's amazing is how old Moonlight skews. Basically just as old as C2H last year. I would've thought it would do less thatn 7 million in viewers but much much better in demos

Do you have the list of the demo numbers for Moonlight for all the aired episodes so far? I'm curious to see what episodes did best with the younger audience.

Excellent list here, breaking down week to week for varying demos...

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2007/11/18/moonlight-ratings-2007-2008/1820

Thank you.

I'm waiting for Mredman to spin this one LOL !!The ratings/demos decline is very obvious and as a ML fan it is hard to see

It's an older skewing show too, so the entire point of CBS putting the show on the air is a joke. They wanted a younger hip show to get a lot of the 18-34 viewers, but I guess they didn't count on this show turning into some Beauty and The Beast Part 2, except with a vampire.

But the GG finale was shot BEFORE CW anounced cancellation, therefore your last statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Point is, there were still very much negotiating about an 8th season when CW decided to cancel the shows and end talks.
And as for VM, nothing wrong with an artist trying to salvage his creation from a rapacious and avaricious network. I command Rob Thomas for his efforts to save the shows and his acknowledgment of the fans' utter support and loyalty to it.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
a. It was Alexis Bledel who was reluctant to go for another season. Lauren Graham was a go.

If that was true, Lauren Graham would have signed on to continue the series without Alex since she was given that option.

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b. In the weeks immediately preceding the cancellation notice, we were told the show will be back for 13 eps. In fact, the cast and crew were told just that, and in the season wrap party they all said to each other "see you in July".

That would be after the network thought the actresses were going to agree to 13 episodes and before the actresses 'changed their minds yet again' and tried to cut their commitment down to just 9 episodes.

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Lauren Graham herself said in an interview conducted the day after CW's unfortunate cancellation notice that she was very surprised by the decision.

Yes, the she was very surprised that CW didn't cav eto the actresses outright 'extortion level' demands.

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You were also wrong claiming the show's powers that be did not prepare for the possibility of a cancellation, as the finale was written as both a series and a season finale and indeed could fit both eventualities. In my opinion, it was an excellent series finale.

Veronica Mars was the show that refused to do a series finale becasue the creator was too wrapped up in the belief that he could force feed the network a 'spinoff' idea about her joining the FBI. Gilmore Girls slapped a finale together after the actresses forced the show to be cancelled.

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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I know for a fact when one says "young adults" one refers roughly to the ages 18-24, immediately out of adolescence,

Do you see Nielsen tracking the 18-24 numbers seperately? Do you see networks/media/etc... touting that data? If not, why claim that 'everyone' defines 'young adult' as 18-24 for TV viewing purposes?

This is the definition of "young adults" in social sciences. I'm pretty sure tv suits are not trying to invent a new science.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I would say it is still 50/50. Its not the young adult hit the network was hoping for.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
Excellent for Moonlight for proving stability week to week, while other shows have been dropping like stones lately.
I'm very pleased, and I believe there is no doubt CBS will renew the show.

The target audience was NEVER young adults. This show is more geared toward adults, late 20 and 30s, as the characters themselves are in that age group. It's not Buffy, who spoke the language of teenagers and young adults.

And you know more about this than Marc because you work in the TV business and he doesn't?

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

Duel should be gone.

As far as the Moonlight talk, honestly, is there anything else to talk about when it comes to Friday night shows?
Lets be real, the "Should Moonlight get renewed" discussion is the only interesting thing that happens on the Friday night ratings thread.

I do understand why it annoys others, though.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arm to read the thread. If discussions of Moonlight annoy some so much, the internet can offer them other sources of entertainment, I'm sure.
Anyway, the whole pointless renewal discussion will become moot in about 10 days, when CBS announces its fall and winter lineup.

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Originally posted by himymfan22:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I would say it is still 50/50. Its not the young adult hit the network was hoping for.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
Excellent for Moonlight for proving stability week to week, while other shows have been dropping like stones lately.
I'm very pleased, and I believe there is no doubt CBS will renew the show.

The target audience was NEVER young adults. This show is more geared toward adults, late 20 and 30s, as the characters themselves are in that age group. It's not Buffy, who spoke the language of teenagers and young adults.

And you know more about this than Marc because you work in the TV business and he doesn't?

a. Used to work in the TV business, has a sister that still does, on the business side of it.
b. Marc is knowledgeable in certain aspects of the business, but I'm sure he would never claim to know everything about it. Also, he might not know much about the show itself, if he's not a fan.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

Duel should be gone.

As far as the Moonlight talk, honestly, is there anything else to talk about when it comes to Friday night shows?
Lets be real, the "Should Moonlight get renewed" discussion is the only interesting thing that happens on the Friday night ratings thread.

I do understand why it annoys others, though.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arm to read the thread. If discussions of Moonlight annoy some so much, the internet can offer them other sources of entertainment, I'm sure.
Anyway, the whole pointless renewal discussion will become moot in about 10 days, when CBS announces its fall and winter lineup.

I think we should start two different Friday threads, one for Moonlight fans and one for people who don't want all of the Moonlight stuff.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by himymfan22:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I would say it is still 50/50. Its not the young adult hit the network was hoping for.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
Excellent for Moonlight for proving stability week to week, while other shows have been dropping like stones lately.
I'm very pleased, and I believe there is no doubt CBS will renew the show.

The target audience was NEVER young adults. This show is more geared toward adults, late 20 and 30s, as the characters themselves are in that age group. It's not Buffy, who spoke the language of teenagers and young adults.

And you know more about this than Marc because you work in the TV business and he doesn't?

a. Used to work in the TV business, has a sister that still does, on the business side of it.
b. Marc is knowledgeable in certain aspects of the business, but I'm sure he would never claim to know everything about it. Also, he might not know much about the show itself, if he's not a fan.

Used to doesn't mean you know what's happening now. It doesn't matter if Marc knows much about the show; just whether or not CBS will renew it.

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Originally posted by himymfan22:

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Originally posted by total eclipse:

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Originally posted by Crimson:

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

Duel should be gone.

As far as the Moonlight talk, honestly, is there anything else to talk about when it comes to Friday night shows?
Lets be real, the "Should Moonlight get renewed" discussion is the only interesting thing that happens on the Friday night ratings thread.

I do understand why it annoys others, though.

Nobody's twisting anyone's arm to read the thread. If discussions of Moonlight annoy some so much, the internet can offer them other sources of entertainment, I'm sure.
Anyway, the whole pointless renewal discussion will become moot in about 10 days, when CBS announces its fall and winter lineup.

I think we should start two different Friday threads, one for Moonlight fans and one for people who don't want all of the Moonlight stuff.

No, what should happen is all you little Moonlight scouters should go to the MOONLIGHT thread (scroll down on forums home page) and talk there. This is the ratings thread, not why we love Moonlight and let's prove it will be renewed, thread.