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Originally posted by Pam:

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Originally posted by Mredman:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Close to home would likely be down to and you know it.

If GW and Numbers aren't down why would C2H be? Can you explain please?

GW numbers are definetely down it got 10-11 million before i don't know about numbers but i think it got 12 milliomn before so they are both down. C2H would be down to

GW may be down but it still comes out a winner in overall ratings/demos compared to ML which keeps dropping consistently so that's not a valid comparison LOL !!
As for C2H how can you possibly predict anything since the show is no longer on ?

Hey you keep saying you like Moonlight but i have not seen a single post where you defend it. So you have not covinced me at all you are a moonlighter

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Originally posted by Mredman:

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Originally posted by Pam:

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Originally posted by Mredman:

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Originally posted by robert:

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Close to home would likely be down to and you know it.

If GW and Numbers aren't down why would C2H be? Can you explain please?

GW numbers are definetely down it got 10-11 million before i don't know about numbers but i think it got 12 milliomn before so they are both down. C2H would be down to

GW may be down but it still comes out a winner in overall ratings/demos compared to ML which keeps dropping consistently so that's not a valid comparison LOL !!
As for C2H how can you possibly predict anything since the show is no longer on ?

Hey you keep saying you like Moonlight but i have not seen a single post where you defend it. So you have not covinced me at all you are a moonlighter

I've defended ML often but also know when to face the facts which are ML loses ratings/demos consistently and that's of great concern. It has nothing to do if you like ML or not it has to do with the proof being reported every week and the proof is in the ratings/demos. ML may be popular online and yes many may watch it or record and watch but when it drops off GW and fails in comparison to both GW and Numb3ers which are based facts and unlike you although I do enjoy ML I can deal with the ratings/demos being stated.
You are so much in love with the show you refuse to achnowledge ML is in trouble and defending a series is one thing but overlooking the obvious is setting yourself up for disaster ( I should know since I often got heated about The Unit but at least The Unit was getting decent ratings/demos despite it competion and The Unit had much stronger compitition to deal with but ML has no strong competition and wins its timeslot but yet still cannot compete with either GW or Numb3rs )!
Like I said I think CBS will entend ML but could see it either on a new night or picked up for a mid-season replacement which may or not make it back on the air depending on the new shows CBS brings on .
I'm merely being relistic based on the factual ratings/demos info ..

Mredman, check the data before writing somethong. Please.

Here are the numbers from a year ago and from yesterday.

GW 9.17mill (2007 May 4th) vs 9.21 (yesterday)

Numbers 9.40 millions vs 10.21 millions

C2H got 9.46 million


So can you now explain why would C2H do worse when GW and Numers are doing better. Thanks

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Originally posted by J.D.M.:
Hi everybody,

I've been lurking for a while now, but I've finally decided to join. I just wanted to get everybody's opinion on something. After yesterday's new episode of Moonlight, the promo that aired for next week's episode made me concerned that CBS has already made their decision about this show.

Don't get me wrong, I love Moonlight and really want it to continue, but I'm not sure if it'll get a second season or not. The ratings are kind of iffy and yesterday's promo really made me wonder. Notice that it says "Only two more episodes left" and so forth...doesn't even specify "of the season." I was able to find the aforementioned promo on YouTube. Your thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prStvaapqNA

I think they were talking about the last two NEW episodes this season, and it doesn't have anything to do with whether they are renewing the show or not.
I've never heard of a network rubbing a cancelation in fans faces. I think most canceled shows go without the network running a promo announcing "WOO HOO IT'S THE LAST TWO EPISODES BECAUSE THE SHOW IS GOING BYE BYE."

Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

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Originally posted by robert:
Mredman, check the data before writing somethong. Please.

Here are the numbers from a year ago and from yesterday.

GW 9.17mill (2007 May 4th) vs 9.21 (yesterday)

Numbers 9.40 millions vs 10.21 millions

C2H got 9.46 million


So can you now explain why would C2H do worse when GW and Numers are doing better. Thanks

OK i can see your point very weird of them to cancel C2H when it grew out of GW. But i heard it got shut down because of production cost and not because of ratings.

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

it should definetely not be cancelled it is so damn consistant in that ratings and it can only grow over the summer

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I'm a HUGE VM fan, but weeks before it was canceled (it was never "officially canceled, but when it didn't feature in CW's upfronts presentation we knew it was endgame) we knew and were told by numerous critics the show doesn't have many chances as it couldn't prove growth after three seasons. So it wasn't a surprise, but it was still bitter, esp with my other big fav, Gilmore Girls, being canceled out of the blue two weeks prior.

Neither of those shows were cancelled on short notice. Veronica Mars had a long time to prepare a final episode but the idiots kept peddling the FBI scenario to the networks and refusing to write a conclusion to a show that was clearly headed for cancellation. Gilmore Girls was almost as bad. CW struggled for months to get the lead actresses to sign a new contract, but they refused any reasonable offer. The network finally had no choice but to let Gilmore Girls end and it was not at all an 'out of the blue' announcement.

Also untrue.
a. It was Alexis Bledel who was reluctant to go for another season. Lauren Graham was a go.
b. In the weeks immediately preceding the cancellation notice, we were told the show will be back for 13 eps. In fact, the cast and crew were told just that, and in the season wrap party they all said to each other "see you in July".
Lauren Graham herself said in an interview conducted the day after CW's unfortunate cancellation notice that she was very surprised by the decision.
You were also wrong claiming the show's powers that be did not prepare for the possibility of a cancellation, as the finale was written as both a series and a season finale and indeed could fit both eventualities. In my opinion, it was an excellent series finale.

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Enought Moonlight talk. It's numbers are the worst part of CBS Friday night line-up. It should be cancelled. End of story.


Anyways, Duel should be yanked now, its hurting 20/20.

Are We There Yet was pathetic.

FNS was down, wasnt it?

Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

Duel should be gone.

As far as the Moonlight talk, honestly, is there anything else to talk about when it comes to Friday night shows?
Lets be real, the "Should Moonlight get renewed" discussion is the only interesting thing that happens on the Friday night ratings thread.

I do understand why it annoys others, though.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
The target audience was NEVER young adults. This show is more geared toward adults, late 20 and 30s,

18-34 is YOUNG ADULTS.

Wrong. While it's nice to think of myself as in the same category as a college student, I know for a fact when one says "young adults" one refers roughly to the ages 18-24, immediately out of adolescence, just before assuming adult responsibilities and concerns.
This show is most definitely about (and for) adults, not about teeny boppers and not about college students.

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Originally posted by Justin:
Ghost Whisperer used to skew around 10-11 million, nothing more. The loss of 500,000ish viewers is nothing, as those viewers turned over to DVR's. Close to Home would be down as well, but nothing major. It would be under a million, and those people would be DVRing it.

The best thing about DVRs is that before they came along this year, no one had the technology to timeshift their TV viewing so all the Nielsen ratings were an exact reflection of the number of total people watching a show.

...or so one would think if they subscribed to Justin's non-stop posts attributing all of TVs decline on DVR usage.

In reality, DVRs may make it easier to timeshift, but people have been timeshifting with their VCRs for decades.

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I suggest you read Matt Roush, for starters. He seems to be more knowledgeable about television and tv business and he keeps saying CBS will renew. In fact, I'm sure you are being so venomous because deep down inside you know the show is renewed, and you have no other outlet for your frustration. For your own good, I'd suggest you lay off and calm down.
I am off to watch the ep again and enjoy every minute of it!

I hate usually what Roush writes so i won't even bother.
Do you really think i care if Moonlight gets renwed or not? Oh please, i don't even watch TV on fridays.
It's just that i hate the "fanboy" phenomenon.

you claim you don't even watch the show, yet you hate it with such venom.. At least I've tried to watch atrocities like Lost a couple of times before I passed my judgment. I also would never try to bash people who happen to be fans of the show. They are allowed to post about it if they like. I have a right to despise it, but at least I have a reason.

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Originally posted by total eclipse:
I know for a fact when one says "young adults" one refers roughly to the ages 18-24, immediately out of adolescence,

Do you see Nielsen tracking the 18-24 numbers seperately? Do you see networks/media/etc... touting that data? If not, why claim that 'everyone' defines 'young adult' as 18-24 for TV viewing purposes?

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Originally posted by Mredman:

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Originally posted by robert:
Mredman, check the data before writing somethong. Please.

Here are the numbers from a year ago and from yesterday.

GW 9.17mill (2007 May 4th) vs 9.21 (yesterday)

Numbers 9.40 millions vs 10.21 millions

C2H got 9.46 million


So can you now explain why would C2H do worse when GW and Numers are doing better. Thanks

OK i can see your point very weird of them to cancel C2H when it grew out of GW. But i heard it got shut down because of production cost and not because of ratings.

They were unhappy with demos, although there were episodes when C2H beat GW in the demos also. That's basically why they've canceled the show, i know tehy've paid a nice figure to bring David James Elliot, but i doubt the overall costs were very high.
But C2H is history, i just think it was unfair to cancel that show beacause older people were watching it and now to keep Moonlight which is doing worse than C2H both in viewers and in demos

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
Most Out. Moments should air new episodes on Friday's not repeats. (or 1 vs 100)

A more broad statement: networks should not be airing any repeats during sweeps.