FOX is killing its own show Fringe with this ridiculous timeslot. They need to move it at once. How stupid is FOX to put a genre show up against such powerhouses like on thursday. Are they freakin NUTS. Guess this move show that they are not thinking over at the FOX network
I'm not sure that would actually improve the situation for the network at all. I don't think Fringe would do all that well against SVU and CM. Female skewing Glee against Greys is suicide. The morons needs to realize they f'd up big time in not airing Hell's Kitchen Tuesdays at 8 with Fringe behind it. Very very stupid decision. Dance would've been a good Wed.-Thur. program for them but airing at 9pm both nights with Glee/Bones at 8pm.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Two Birds, One Stone.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: TV-aholic. Sounds as if you are trying to hatch a plan to ruin the only successful TV Musical Comedy hour.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: FOX almost needs to FLIP its Wednesday and Thursday nights. SYTYCD & Glee would be great counter programming on Thursday, while BONES and Fringe would do better on Wednesdays.
Not surprised with the Supernatural ratings and demos. As most of you on here know, I "used" to be obsessed with the show. But last season, I started to lose interest in it. I think it had to do with the writing and how slowly season four unfolded. More than half of the episodes last season really could of been tossed out the window; they did not work, in my eyes. This season, from what I have seen, not that much better. As a viewer, it gets extremely frustrating to have followed this show for so long and to have the storyline continue to drag, with no true fallout. Is this the shows last season? There is a real possibility. I will probably catch the rest of the season when it comes out on DVD next year.
Originally posted by Twins12: Considering the amount of promotional dollars CBS has poured into the Mentalist it was a total bust last night. They promote this show more than any new or returning show. However, I do agree that it was the GA premiere that killed it. I think it goes back up next week when it is against PP.
It was a total bust, yet you admit it had very strong competition from Grey's AND you expect the numbers to go up next week!
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I'm loving Community, it's a shame it's not doing better. Hopefully once it gets out of the tough timeslot it will improve (Obviously it'll lose the lead in so it most likely won't.) It's a shame, I love feel good comedies.
It's probably been given the best possible timeslot for that type of comedy.
And it seems that Fringe viewers definitely overlap with the other 8pm shows (like FF perhaps) unlike what some people on this board have said. But, I do think that FF numbers will go down from the premiere and Fringe numbers may go up a little next week or at least stabilize to what they were this week.
Just as we may have hit the core fans for VD, the same could be said for Fringe
ABC Wins the Opening Thursday of the Season in Viewers and Key Adults For the 2nd Straight Year and Marks its Best Results on the Night in 1 Year
"Grey's" and "FlashForward" Stand as Thursday's Top 2 TV Shows in Adults 18-49
"FlashForward" Opens at No. 1 at 8pm in Viewers and Young Adults, Marking ABC's Highest Series Performance in the Slot in 20 Months
Standing as the No. 1 TV Show of the Night and Towering Over its 2-Hour Time Slot, ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" Turns in its Strongest Results in 1 Year Thursday Night (8:00-11:00 p.m.) ABC took first place on the opening Thursday of the season in viewers and all key Adults (AD18-34/AD18-49/AD25-54), beating second-place CBS by 1.3 million viewers (15.3 million vs. 14.0 million) and by 57% in Adults 18-49 (5.8/16 vs. 3.7/10). In fact ABC won all 6 half-hours of the evening in Total Viewers and Adults 18-49. It was ABC's 2nd straight year to lead the season-opening Thursday in viewers and all key adult demographics.
* In Total Viewers and Adults 18-49, ABC's registered its strongest Thursday in 1-year - since 9/25/08.
"FlashForward" (8:00-9:00 p.m.) ABC's series debut of "FlashForward" won the 8 o'clock hour in viewers (12.4 million) and young adults (4.1/12), upsetting CBS' time-period veteran "Survivor: Samoa" by 11% in Adults 18-49 (3.7/11). It was the first-ever ABC series to open its season ahead of "Survivor." The new ABC drama gained viewers (12.1 million to 12.7 million) and young adult audience (3.8/12 to 4.3/12) throughout the course of its premiere telecast.
* Despite its early time period with lower overall TV usage levels, "FlashForward" finished as the No. 2 TV show of the night in Adults 18-49, topping both "CSI" and "The Mentalist," while trailing only "Grey's Anatomy." * In Total Viewers and Adults 18-49, "FlashForward" registered as the biggest drama premiere on any network in the 8 o'clock hour since January 2008 - since Fox's debut of "Sarah Connor Chronicles" on 1/13/08, which had the enormous advantage of airing after an ultra-high-rated NFL playoff game on that night (Cowboys-NY Giants). * In viewers and young adults, the "FlashForward" opener produced ABC's best performance in the time period with regular programming in 20 months - since 1/31/08. "Grey's Anatomy" (9:00-11:00 p.m.) Thursday's No. 1 TV program in Total Viewers (16.8 million) and Adults 18-49 (6.6/17) on its sixth-season premiere, ABC's "Grey's Anatomy" overshadowed its 2-hour time period. From 9:00-11:00 p.m., "Grey's Anatomy" topped CBS' "CSI"/"The Mentalist" combo (15.0 million and 3.7/10) by 1.8 million viewers and by 78% in Adults 18-49.
* In Total Viewers and Adults 18-49, "Grey's Anatomy" turned in its strongest performance since its year-ago season premiere last September (9/25/08). Please note: On the same night last year, the "Grey's" season premiere had the added advantage of not airing against original drama programming on CBS.
Please note: Based on last season ('08-09), "Grey's Anatomy" is the most recorded and played back program on all of TV, as the show gained +2.5 million viewers and grew by +1.2 rating points in Adults 18-49 (+21%) from its first reported Live + Same Day number to its Live + 7 Day number. With current DVR penetration 33% this season, up from about 27% at the same point a year ago, "Grey's" will see substantial increases in viewership this season from the initially reported next-day overnight ratings to the final numbers including all DVR playback.
Originally posted by metal: [QUOTE]Originally posted by mik: I'm so happy to see Supernatural going down, those are some awful ratings. And the only reasons are the destruction of the brothers relationship and that incredibly awful angel. These two things killed the show. And maybe Dean crying all the time. There's no other reason and I hope that idiot creator will be jobless for the rest of stupid life.
Disgruntled Sam fan, I presume? LOL! Were you one of those dopes who was asking online for a boycott of last night's eppy? Castiel is a fascinating addition to the show. The angels/demon storyline and the brothers' rift storyline is what gave Supernatural some credibility in the mainstream press. Critics like Mo Ryan out of Chicago never gave it the time of day until this storyline. She didn't even watch. Time slot too crowded. It was the same with Rousch. Now they watch and they like it because it's catering to older viewers instead of teens. The NY Times put last night's eppy in "what to watch" (it earned "for the right reasons" while Grey's earned "for the wrong reasons"). Guess someone likes Castiel, eh?
I like the rift. The show didn't suffer last night for Sam and Dean being apart. They'll be back together soon enough. It's all earned in terms of character development; the rift is believable; the reunion will be earned and very satisfying. If all SPN were after all this time was Dean and Sam alone all the time saying, "I love you I love you I love you" with a series of forgettable one off guest stars, I'd have stopped watching a long time ago. Season four was the best possible thing that could have happened to Supernatural. It's so much better than it used to be.
BTW, Dean endured daily torture for 40 years in hell. I might be a bit of a crybaby after that.
Originally posted by wenart25: Not surprised with the Supernatural ratings and demos. As most of you on here know, I "used" to be obsessed with the show. But last season, I started to lose interest in it. I think it had to do with the writing and how slowly season four unfolded. More than half of the episodes last season really could of been tossed out the window; they did not work, in my eyes. This season, from what I have seen, not that much better. As a viewer, it gets extremely frustrating to have followed this show for so long and to have the storyline continue to drag, with no true fallout. Is this the shows last season? There is a real possibility. I will probably catch the rest of the season when it comes out on DVD next year.
thank you very much finally!!!!! i thought i was the only one that didn't like the creative direction of season 4!!! i almost stopped watching 2 but i decided 2 stay loyal. the first episode of season5 wasnt that great, and episode 2 got a little better, and i enjoyed yesterdays ep cuz it had alot of humor in it (something supernatural had been lacking last season towords the end of the season). i hear this might be the last and it should be but considering how bad the cw has been doin i Doubt it is. i had a big problem with season 4 but i hope it redeems itself with this season....
i had a big problem with season 4 but i hope it redeems itself with this season....
Stick with it. You'll be happy you did. If you like humor, definitely stick with it. I've read some spoilers and there's some bizarre humor coming up after next week. Ben Edlund's psychotic mind is in fine form.
Originally posted by mushu_jj: I'm not sure that would actually improve the situation for the network at all. I don't think Fringe would do all that well against SVU and CM. Female skewing Glee against Greys is suicide. The morons needs to realize they f'd up big time in not airing Hell's Kitchen Tuesdays at 8 with Fringe behind it. Very very stupid decision. Dance would've been a good Wed.-Thur. program for them but airing at 9pm both nights with Glee/Bones at 8pm.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Two Birds, One Stone.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: TV-aholic. Sounds as if you are trying to hatch a plan to ruin the only successful TV Musical Comedy hour.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: FOX almost needs to FLIP its Wednesday and Thursday nights. SYTYCD & Glee would be great counter programming on Thursday, while BONES and Fringe would do better on Wednesdays.
I agree that the Hell's Kitchen/Fringe combo would have worked very well for the network. First off, SYTYCD should never have been on the fall schedule. Hard to believe their development slate was so bad that they felt they had to start another season only a month after the last one ended. Secondly, I'm sure we'll be seeing record low ratings for their Friday lineup lol. Third, I don't think Glee's high 18-34 numbers (which I know was their goal) is going to make up for the rest of their rating losses including SYTYCD? I can't believe Fox destroyed Fringe like that.
Originally posted by wenart25: Not surprised with the Supernatural ratings and demos. As most of you on here know, I "used" to be obsessed with the show. But last season, I started to lose interest in it. I think it had to do with the writing and how slowly season four unfolded. More than half of the episodes last season really could of been tossed out the window; they did not work, in my eyes. This season, from what I have seen, not that much better. As a viewer, it gets extremely frustrating to have followed this show for so long and to have the storyline continue to drag, with no true fallout. Is this the shows last season? There is a real possibility. I will probably catch the rest of the season when it comes out on DVD next year.
Really? I was just the opposite. I loved S1, liked S2, hated S3 with passion and even considered dropping it and S4 made me more excited than ever. I like that with every ep we get an answer to something, it's not just questions, questions, more questions.
I think that what's saving SPN on the CW is that they have no other show that they could stick there - their soap operas would be steamrolled by GA. SPN is hanging there (not thriving, but hanging there) and earning WB bucks abroad and on DVD...
I think that Fox should move Fringe away and pronto, as long as it still has some life in it. These are Chuck's numbers and Chuck's on NBC and was barely saved!
Originally posted by wenart25: Not surprised with the Supernatural ratings and demos. As most of you on here know, I "used" to be obsessed with the show. But last season, I started to lose interest in it. I think it had to do with the writing and how slowly season four unfolded. More than half of the episodes last season really could of been tossed out the window; they did not work, in my eyes. This season, from what I have seen, not that much better. As a viewer, it gets extremely frustrating to have followed this show for so long and to have the storyline continue to drag, with no true fallout. Is this the shows last season? There is a real possibility. I will probably catch the rest of the season when it comes out on DVD next year.
Really? I was just the opposite. I loved S1, liked S2, hated S3 with passion and even considered dropping it and S4 made me more excited than ever. I like that with every ep we get an answer to something, it's not just questions, questions, more questions.
I think that what's saving SPN on the CW is that they have no other show that they could stick there - their soap operas would be steamrolled by GA. SPN is hanging there (not thriving, but hanging there) and earning WB bucks abroad and on DVD...
Could you provide some links showing Supernatural bringing in "bucks" from the overseas market, please? I always see SN fans say this and I would like to see this information.
I don't like when they make Michael Scott mean. The Office eps that are the best are when Michael is a well-meaning boob and accidentally causes bad stuff to happen, as opposed to when he sets out to do something horrible, like last week when he gossiped about Stanley.
To me, it's the difference between a great Office ep and an unwatchable one.
Originally posted by wenart25: Not surprised with the Supernatural ratings and demos. As most of you on here know, I "used" to be obsessed with the show. But last season, I started to lose interest in it. I think it had to do with the writing and how slowly season four unfolded. More than half of the episodes last season really could of been tossed out the window; they did not work, in my eyes. This season, from what I have seen, not that much better. As a viewer, it gets extremely frustrating to have followed this show for so long and to have the storyline continue to drag, with no true fallout. Is this the shows last season? There is a real possibility. I will probably catch the rest of the season when it comes out on DVD next year.
Why would you be surprised if you thought the season was worse then you would expect a larger drops. Adults 18-49 down .1 from the year ago (and tied with the first three episodes of season 3). Adults 1-34 up .1 from the year ago (which was an improvement, though I am unware of how much from the strat of season 3).
Now they have lost viewers (at a rate that is exceptionally close to the viewer difference between Smallville and Vampire Diaries).
As for the episodes dragging or not being needed for the storyline, I really disagree, in the fat that those two statements applied even more so to season 1 & 2 (season 3 had to through more out do to having to resolve its 3rd season storyline in 16 episodes instead of 22 thanks to the writers strike).
Critical acclaim (what their is for the show) is up. DVD sales are significantly up. Season 4 has sold at the same point in time 5 times the amount of season 2, and over 2.5 times the amount of seasons 1 & 3. And thats with more people also having purchased copies of the those same episodes on Itunes (as season 1 & 2 weren't available before those seasons came out on DVD).
While I don't care for the lower viewer numbers (and the lower male demo's).
Next week we will beable to do direct comparisons to seasonss 3 and 4 (as it didn't start until Oct), to see how much decline we have had over a two year period. It is also hard to get fair comparisons to last years numbers due to the number of significant interruptions to the regular schedule on the other networks thats to the election coverage. Then you can factor in the declie (or increases) in shows from two years ago to see which shwos ahve gained or lost viewers and demos and in what percentages.
And then the other major factor we have to see (and this is for everyone) is how much are DVR effecting this season compared to last.
