Wouldn't it be great to see CBS ad another 2 hour block somewhere on the 2008-09 Schedule?
Lets hope (1) that the Monday Night Block continues to post great, above average numbers for the rest of the season. (2) That CBS has a good crop of comedies in development that marit it to green light 2-3, on top of the existing 5 comedies.
I find it a little odd that CBS is having so much more success with comedies than the rest of the networks -- their saving grace was having a 2.5 Men comedy in its prime when the sitcom almost died, where all the other networks had their hit comedies end.
I think last season or this season was the bottom for the half hour comedy, and expect it to be brought back to a greater presence on ABC and NBC as well.
Wouldn't it be great to see CBS ad another 2 hour block somewhere on the 2008-09 Schedule?
Lets hope (1) that the Monday Night Block continues to post great, above average numbers for the rest of the season. (2) That CBS has a good crop of comedies in development that marit it to green light 2-3, on top of the existing 5 comedies.
I find it a little odd that CBS is having so much more success with comedies than the rest of the networks -- their saving grace was having a 2.5 Men comedy in its prime when the sitcom almost died, where all the other networks had their hit comedies end.
I think last season or this season was the bottom for the half hour comedy, and expect it to be brought back to a greater presence on ABC and NBC as well.
Its no surprise. Overall, CBS sitcoms are 10x as funny as the comedies on other networks, mainly ABC's which flat out suck right now. Fox still has some success with the animated block. Its just that people are confused as to when there are new eps and when there are repeats. NBC's single camera mediocre comedies are doing alright. Check that. Two of them are doing alright. One would think ABC and to some extent, NBC would learn from this. The CW could've had up to 6 African American comedies last year, but left out three of them and gave us the Game. Yes, I'm as thrilled as you are about that especially since the repeats of One on One I've seen in syndication are funnier than it.
Originally posted by filmkr27: All you naysayers -- from tv guide...
But the nerves aren't just about the dancing. "Let's talk about the elephant in the room," says Harris. "Tuesday night, we're going up against American Idol. It's the first time in our six seasons that that's happened. And they're filming right across the hall. And a lot of people are nervous about that. But our producers and the network and I, personally, am very excited to take them on because I think this show has a different appeal. If any show can take on Idol, it's Dancing with the Stars." — Deborah Starr Seibel
I don't see DWTS dropping -- the female contestants are much more appealing than last nights guys, and DWTS and AI appeal to mostly different groups. I see a big share for broadcast television tonight.
It's a cophow. The actors make Lena Headey look like a superstar by comparison. There are no big action scenes.
Is it cheap? Hell no. Lots cheaper than SCC? Oh yeah. Leaving aside SCC's much bigger promotional campaign, and lead-ins. Yeah, AI is a good lead-in--but not compared to some of SCC's.
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FOX must be positively thrilled by this 2.3 in the demo.
What's hilarious here is that if you liked NA, you'd be talking about how FOX was delighted by this number. But you just don't get the joke, do you? I HATE ALL THESE SHOWS. THEY ALL SUCK. THEY WILL ALL DIE YOUNG. But NA doesn't appeal to you, for some reason--can't see why--it's just as stupid and dull as all the other televised fecal matter you ingest with delight. So you can't see that it's really performing about as well, relative to circumstances.
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Both shows that did much better than NA, and will return next year. To no one's surprise, except pisher.
But suppose NA comes back too? Suppose a lot of lousy shows with lousy ratings come back, for the same reason? The strike. Then suppose they all get canceled next season?
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: While happy for Christine's numbers, keep in mind that King of Queens had surpassed 2 1/2 Men when in the same situation of facing Dancing With The Stars (where it ended after 2 1/2 Men). Still, if this episode was strong (haven't watched yet),people might be coming back for more.
King of Queens was a much stronger, veteran program last year that was airing "the final episodes". I think Christine proved last night that its ready to move elsewhere on the CBS schedule most likely with HIMYM and allow Rules to slide up to 8:30 next fall with a new comedy at 9:30.
while I agree with you on christine proving itself I also must say that rules has proven itself as well...imo, both should move...HIMYM/BBT could stay at 8pm with 2.5men at 9pm and a new sitcom thereafter...but christine and rules should relocate to weds at 8pm...the two comedies would face weak competition and cbs has been weak in that timeslot since king of queens vacated it...it would also give criminal minds a decent lead-in (for once)...if christine/rules could manage just a 3.0 demo average it would be worth it.
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Originally posted by filmkr27: And what dancing shows are those that you speak of? Nothing compares to dancing with the stars.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Marc,
With all the dancing shows that have been poping up and on the air for the last 18 straight months, how much longer do you see DWtS lasting?
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: I agree...the contestants are really dull.
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Originally posted by KSO: Surprised DTWS did so well with the lackluster contestants this season.
I agree. So You Think You Can Dance is the only other one that stands out because it has the more urban theme to it and some of the dancers are very talented. Dance War likely won't return and I don't necessarily see ABC greenlighting any new dancing projects to air here soon.
Originally posted by Chimera: Marc, I don't watch Medium. However, building on its DOND lead-in and beating The Bachelor, which had the benefit of DWTS as a lead-in and a 28 minute head-start deserves being on the winner list in my book.
Medium is still struggling to contend with CSI:Miami reruns.
I wouldn't call beating it in both the households and demo "struggling". Yes, it has struggled up to now, but give them some credit when they do beat it. When CSI:Miami returns with new eps, if they're still beating them, then you can call them a loser. But give them a little credit.
why would medium be a winner??? it loses to csi:miami repeats (ratings) and barely (if that) beats it in the demos...how is that a winner????
a 3.2 demo is not that great...it is nowhere near winner status.
It should be a winner for the same reason that 5th Grader and Lyrics are winners every Thursday. Medium has tremendously improved the time period compared to last year. Last year at this time NBC had Black Donnellys airing and getting 5 million per episode. Plus Medium is up from its Wednesday time period last year. No one is saying that this show will come close to CSI Miami when it returns with new episodes. But it deserves accolades for the above reasons.
Originally posted by pisher: What's hilarious here is that if you liked NA, you'd be talking about how FOX was delighted by this number.
What's really hilarious is that you can't make the difference between a 2.3 (and falling) show, and a 3.0-3.5 show. And I haven't seen anything past the pilot, so it could be the best TV show ever as far as I know.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Wouldn't it be great to see CBS ad another 2 hour block somewhere on the 2008-09 Schedule?
Lets hope (1) that the Monday Night Block continues to post great, above average numbers for the rest of the season. (2) That CBS has a good crop of comedies in development that marit it to green light 2-3, on top of the existing 5 comedies.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Was last night a season high then in the demo? If so, great news for 2.5 Men and Dancing didn't seemed to be hurt one bit in the process.
All the comedies hit season high demo numbers aside from TNAoOC. If any sitcom gets axed (or delayed to midseason), that will be the one. RoE is more compatible with 2&1/2men.
Well CBS is going to add at least one new comedy next fall so I'm guessing both will survive.
As I have mentioned in the CBS 2008 Fall Schedule thread, i think CBS should do a 2hour comedy block from 8-10 on Sundays, with Cold Case on at 10. And put Amazing Race on Mondays at 8. AR could do better than 10 million and improve the demo for the timeslot. AR does not belong in a time slot where in the fall half the time it will be delayed due to football.
This would give CBS 1 extra hour of comedy per week. And during football season they could simply preempt one of the comedies to avoid delays in the schedule when they have a late football game. I see no reason why BBT and HIMYM could not perform at similar levels to their Monday performances on Sundays. I would be a little nervous putting Christine on its own without 2 1/2 Men, but it might work.
Something like this:
SUNDAY 7PM - 60 Minutes (Remember the days when CBS had a full Sunday night comedy block?) 8PM - Big Bang Theory 8:30 - HIMYM or some other comedy 9PM - Christine 9:30 - New comedy 10PM - Cold Case
MONDAY 8PM - Amazing Race 9PM - 2 1/2 Men 9:30 - Rules of Engagement 10PM - CSI Miami
As a huge fan of AR. I have to disagree. AR (with one exception) has increased due to over runs. It might be inconvienant, but it has generally increased the audience half a million or more for each episode.
The fact that the three cycles that have aired on Sunday have outperformed almost every other cycles of AR.
The fact that AR mantains its ratings with a declining viewing audience for the networks is in large part due to sports overruns.
The last two fall cylces are the 3 and 4th strongest cycles of AR. Thats pretty good considering most shows see decreasing ratings over the years. Even All Stars (which was a disappointment) improved over the spring performance of most of AR seasons.
Now of course I would love to see what the show could do on the 7pm hour on Sunday. But hell would literally freeze over first.
Originally posted by Chimera: Marc, I don't watch Medium. However, building on its DOND lead-in and beating The Bachelor, which had the benefit of DWTS as a lead-in and a 28 minute head-start deserves being on the winner list in my book.
Medium is still struggling to contend with CSI:Miami reruns.
I wouldn't call beating it in both the households and demo "struggling". Yes, it has struggled up to now, but give them some credit when they do beat it. When CSI:Miami returns with new eps, if they're still beating them, then you can call them a loser. But give them a little credit.
why would medium be a winner??? it loses to csi:miami repeats (ratings) and barely (if that) beats it in the demos...how is that a winner????
a 3.2 demo is not that great...it is nowhere near winner status.
It should be a winner for the same reason that 5th Grader and Lyrics are winners every Thursday. Medium has tremendously improved the time period compared to last year. Last year at this time NBC had Black Donnellys airing and getting 5 million per episode. Plus Medium is up from its Wednesday time period last year. No one is saying that this show will come close to CSI Miami when it returns with new episodes. But it deserves accolades for the above reasons.
it deserves accolades for holding against the bachelor and growing slightly over DOND...but it does not deserve winner status...if that were the case then all of cbs' comedies deserved it...medium is a mediocre performer...and mediocrity does not deserve a winner status period.
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Viewers are apparently ready to forgive and forget the recent writers’ strike. While ABC’s “Dancing with the Stars” dominated the night in total viewers, as expected, CBS’s four-sitcom block drew very strong ratings in adults 18-49 with its first original episodes in more than three months.
Three of the shows bettered their season premieres, according to Nielsen overnights. “Two and a Half Men” averaged a 5.4 adults 18-49 rating at 9 p.m., nearly tying “Stars’” final half hour, which averaged a 5.5, though the latter drew 6.8 million more total viewers than “Men’s” 14 million.
“Men” was up 15 percent over its 4.7 average for its premiere in September.
“How I Met Your Mother” hit a season-high 4.3 rating at 8:30 p.m., swapping timeslots with “The Big Bang Theory” at 8 p.m., which averaged a 3.7. “Mother” soared 34 percent over its 3.2 debut in September, while “Bang” matched its 3.7.
And “The New Adventures of Old Christine,” returning to last year’s 9:30 p.m. timeslot, also hit a season high with a 4.3 rating. It was the only CBS show to win its timeslot, and it retained 80 percent of “Men’s” lead-in.
Combined with “Stars’” usual huge opener, which drew 20.9 million total viewers for its 90-minute sixth-season debut, broadcast had one of its best nights since the writers’ strike put a dent in the networks’ schedules.
At the least, the CBS shows’ strong returns suggest that viewers will embrace the reemergence of their favorite shows, which some had questioned after rating sunk over recent weeks. The same thing was seen for late-night shows, which recorded big viewership boosts in their first weeks back from a two-month hiatus.
“Stars” was the night’s highest-rated program with a 5.5. Though that was down 14 percent from last year’s spring premiere, it was down only 5 percent from last fall’s 5.8.
ABC led the night among viewers 18-49 with a 4.4 average overnight rating and a 12 share. CBS was second at 3.9/10, NBC third at 2.5/7, Fox fourth at 2.0/5, Univision fifth at 1.5/4 and CW sixth at 0.7/2.
At 8 p.m. ABC was first with a 5.5 rating for its first hour of “Stars,” followed by CBS with a 4.0 average for “Bang” (3.7) and “Mother” (4.3). Univision was third with a 1.9 for “Al Diablo con los Guapos,” and Fox fourth with a 1.7 for “Canterbury’s Law,” even to last week’s premiere. NBC placed fifth with a series-low 1.5 for “My Dad is Better than Your Dad” and CW sixth with a 0.6 for a repeat of “Gossip Girl.”
CBS took the lead at 9 p.m. with a 4.9 average for “Men” (5.4) and “Christine” (4.3), while ABC fell to second with a 4.4 average for the last half hour of “Stars” (5.5) and the first 30 minutes of the season premiere of “The Bachelor” (3.3). NBC was third with a 2.9 for “Deal or No Deal,” Fox fourth with a 2.3 for “New Amsterdam,” Univision fifth with a 1.6 for “Pasion” and CW sixth with a 0.7 for “The Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious.”
At 10 p.m. ABC regained the lead with a 3.3 for its final hour of “Bachelor,” with NBC a close second with a 3.2 for “Medium.” CBS was third with a 3.0 for a repeat of “CSI: Miami” and Univision fourth with a 1.1 for “Cristina.”
Among households, ABC was first for the night with a 9.6 average overnight rating and a 15 share, followed by CBS at 6.7/11, NBC at 5.1/8, Fox at 4.1/7, Univision at 1.9/3 and CW at 1.2/2
Originally posted by pisher: So to recap--it's perfectly okay to talk about how badly a show is doing in the ratings, if you don't watch it every single week?
Once again, you talk as if PD and SCC did as badly as NA, which is simply not the case. So, you really don't make any sense.
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And what's even funnier is that Marc apparently can't either, since NA didn't make his loser's list. But of course you know better.
We will see who knows better when FOX reveals what shows are coming back. Do you think they know the difference between <2.5 and >3.0?
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