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You do have to admit that there are shows getting a pass because of the strike.

Zitrone can't even admit that I scored a palpable hit by bringing up PD's last first-run demo #.

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Originally posted by pisher:
You honestly forgot what a lousy demo rating PD got for "Corpsicle", didn't you?

PD only got two episodes with bad ratings: one on Thanksgiving, and the last one that aired mid-December when everything was in repeats on ABC. But even then, with no lead-in at all and with a repeat of PP as lead-out, it did better than NA this week.

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About the same rating that you say merits instant cancellation for NA

NA doesn't deserve instant cancelation, but CL does if FOX wants to save the other Monday show.

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and on one of the original networks

What does that have to do with anything?

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on a more-watched night of TV.

Top network demo:
- Dec 12th: 3.3
- Mar 17th: 4.4
You really have some troubles with numbers.

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Because you never let the facts get in the way of what you WANT to be true.

You mean, the way you would like 2.3 to be the same thing as 3.0 and 3.3? That was SCC last two episodes, and yet you want to put SCC and NA in the same category.

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PD only got two episodes with bad ratings: one on Thanksgiving, and the last one that aired mid-December when everything was in repeats on ABC.

Which meant it had no competition. And still stunk up the joint.

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But even then, with no lead-in at all and with a repeat of PP as lead-out, it did better than NA this week.

Yeah. On ABC, on a Wednesday, and against no first-run competition.

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NA doesn't deserve instant cancelation, but CL does if FOX wants to save the other Monday show.

I'm sorry, were we talking about CL? I was not aware. Nice backpedaling.

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You mean, the way you would like 2.3 to be the same thing as 3.0 and 3.3?

And the way you'd like to forget how much more money (for production and promotion) that 3.0 and 3.3 cost FOX? I don't seem to recall NA getting promoted heavily during the Superbowl. Was it even mentioned?

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That was SCC last two episodes, and yet you want to put SCC and NA in the same category.

Bad television shows that can only survive for a short time, and owe much of that survival to desperate networks, knocked offschedule by a strike. One may last a little longer than the other. That's about it.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Zitrone can't even admit that I scored a palpable hit by bringing up PD's last first-run demo #.

Fourth episode demo
PD: 3.2
SCC: 3.5
NA: 2.3

But yeah, those three shows are exactly the same, because SCC premiered after a big football game, and PD's last episode was a couple of week before Christmas with everything else on ABC in repeats.

NBC Spin:

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NBC takes second, and ABC and CBS tied up for third in demo last week.

Also, in season-to-date, FOX passed CBS as the "most watched network" and ABC continues to hold on to second place in the young adult demo.

WEEK NO. 25:  
ADULTS 18-49    TOTAL VIEWERS
No.1  FOX 4.1   No.1 FOX  11,280,000
No.2  NBC 2.2   No.2 CBS   7,610,000
No.3  ABC 2.1   No.3 NBC   7,500,000
No.3  CBS 2.1   No.4 ABC   6,070,000
No.5  CW  1.0   No.5 CW    2,350,000
No.6  MNT 0.5   No.6 MNT   1,210,000

SEASON-TO-DATE, WEEKS 1-25:  
ADULTS 18-49    TOTAL VIEWERS
No.1  FOX 4.4   No.1 FOX  11,150,000
No.2  ABC 3.1   No.2 CBS  10,540,000
No.3  NBC 3.0   No.3 ABC   9,240,000
No.3  CBS 3.0   No.4 NBC   8,550,000
No.5  CW  1.0   No.5 CW    2,600,000
No.6  MNT 0.4   No.6 MNT   1,130,000
 

Sorry, Z--you're forgetting how much higher PD and SCC started off in the ratings--and how much faster they fell, particularly SCC, which was given every possible break a network can give a show.

Btw--how much first-run programming is on the air NOW? Albeit for a different reason. How can you say there's any worst demo lead-in a show can have on FOX right now than CL? Everybody else can see it--you don't want to.

I'm being perfectly fair here--I'm rough on ALL shows. You're the one playing favorites. None of my faves are in danger right now. And I wouldn't care if they were.

But you do. So very very much.

It's your whole life.

FOX is kicking everyone's behind -- it'll be interesting to see how much ABC and CBS rebound with their returning shows.

And ABC's viewership number is really low -- over 3 million lower than their season average...

Dumont, have you given any thought to having an April monthly prediction game, which is the first month the networks will have most of their shows back? I know you will do May because of the sweeps, but I think predicting April would be fun as well.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Sorry, Z--you're forgetting how much higher PD and SCC started off in the ratings--and how much faster they fell, particularly SCC, which was given every possible break a network can give a show.

NA got its two first episodes after freaking American Idol, with tons of ads for the show during them. And get your facts straight, once again: NA is falling faster and lower than PD.

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I'm being perfectly fair here--I'm rough on ALL shows. You're the one playing favorites.

Actually my favorite new show is AiA but I'm not trying to defend it in the face of all evidence. But you have to be really obsessively biased to think NA isn't doing worse than PD or SCC.

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NA got its two first episodes after freaking American Idol, with tons of ads for the show during them. And get your facts straight, once again: NA is falling faster and lower than PD.

Man--you really LOATHE NA, don't you? You just can't wait for it to be canceled. Bizarre, since you claim to never watch it.

I'm so loving the role reversal. And your predictable double standards.

And of course, you'll go right back to insisting Lost's ratings merit cancellation, later this week.

G'night, hater.

Is there really any difference between a show opening huge and then falling fast vs. a show opening mediocrely and falling to the same level. Both have audience loss.

One show has an audience leaving the show while the other never had that audience in the 1st place.

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One show has an audience leaving the show while the other never had that audience in the 1st place.

Yeah, and that makes both shows failures.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Man--you really LOATHE NA, don't you? You just can't wait for it to be canceled. Bizarre, since you claim to never watch it.

My only claim is that NA is doing much worse than PD and SCC. I don't have any strong feeling against it, in fact I suggested above that FOX should cancel CL and air some House repeats if it wants to save NA.

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I'm so loving the role reversal.

What role reversal? You bash PD without any logic, then blame everything on the strike.

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And of course, you'll go right back to insisting Lost's ratings merit cancellation, later this week.

Another thing I never said, that was PB. Although that is yet another show doing better than NA.

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Originally posted by Zitrone:

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Originally posted by pisher:
Sorry, Z--you're forgetting how much higher PD and SCC started off in the ratings--and how much faster they fell, particularly SCC, which was given every possible break a network can give a show.

NA got its two first episodes after freaking American Idol, with tons of ads for the show during them. And get your facts straight, once again: NA is falling faster and lower than PD.

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I'm being perfectly fair here--I'm rough on ALL shows. You're the one playing favorites.

Actually my favorite new show is AiA but I'm not trying to defend it in the face of all evidence. But you have to be really obsessively biased to think NA isn't doing worse than PD or SCC.

That last sentence was right on the money. He was bashing SCC before it even aired.

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Yeah, and that makes both shows failures

Ok...so why does it matter?