Originally posted by Gee: Just curious: was he religious and spiritual when he worked at Hooters? A bit contradictory.
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Originally posted by sarahvma: As a quick FYI, I know Chris's cousin, and he comes from a very religious, spiritual family.
You know, I personally am a big liberal, so my initial response is: Is anything that conservatives do completely on the straight-and-narrow?
That said, there's a big difference between working at a place where girls wear shiny orange Daisy Dukes and, say, rallying against same-sex marriage while it turns out you're a big homo yourself.
I don't think working at Hooters means that something he says about a school massacre has any less weight or that he isn't lovin' Jesus. I'm not a religious person. I don't know what the stance is on frying crappy burgers so big-breasted women can serve them.
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Those are the final ratings for yesterday? Weird how AI went up almost a million, and House's numbers went down.
I'm hearing PCD is getting picked up for a second season.
Don't ask me how it's going to work... although I guess I can imagine, but, to paraphrase a previous poster, how many backup dancers for Nicky S (never could spell the singer's name) do they need!?!?!?
... although now that I think about it, a Beauty & the Geek / Pussycat Dolls reality night would be the perfect two-month filler between Top Model cycles (which ought to have OTH originals after it and not wasted without the huge young female lead-in).
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Those are the final ratings for yesterday? Weird how AI went up almost a million, and House's numbers went down.
Not really. I'm frankly surprised House didn't go down more (and it held steady in the demo) because Idol ran until 9:01... which is averaged into House's numbers in the fast nationals.
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Originally posted by tv avenger: I truly believe that the free downloads have had a huge impact on the ratings of once red-hot shows. I guarantee you if they were not available these shows would probably be doing better.
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Originally posted by sarahvma: With regards to the big losses this year for Desperate Housewives, American Idol and CSI, is it possible that this is just the noticeable effect of free downloads and TiVo?
I agree -- I fact, I could trace almost immediate losses of multiple millions of viewers last season for ABC after they starting having LOST, DH, Alias, Commander in Chief, and Invasion on for free downloads. In the case of the last two, it cost them a second season. I just heard this morning an industry guy lamenting about how ABC treated LOST and Commander in Chief, with the constant time changes and then yanking the latter...
The ironic-sad thing about all the downloads that ABC.com (or CBS.com, NBC.com, etc.) offers up is that they are pruning away the very demo viewers that advertisers get all excited about. Look at what has happened with Lost, in particular. With downloads, gone is the concept of appointment television for the webbers -- ABC is doing it very best to breaker-train a whole generation away from any semblance habitual viewing patterns, and they will ultimately pay a price for it through skinnier ad buys from Madison Avenue.
The broadcast network programmers could learn a lesson or two from their far savvier colleagues that run HBO who would never countenance such widespread, free downloading of their prized programming.
I totally disagree free online viewing of TV shows as being the reason why some shows ratings are down. Do you even watch these shows or do you just look at the ratings and make comments?
I'm a huge CSI fan and I like so many others are not pleased with the direction that the show has been heading. The storylines are not as strong as the early seasons and the whole GSR (that's GrissomSaraRomance for the non-shippers) has turned many fans off of the show completely. I know many people who have stopped watching the show, who watched from the very beginning, who aren't watching for these very reasons.
I think the changing storyline/dull storylines on Desperate Housewives also hurt them back in season 2 and many people just decided not to come back again.
There's a new generation of viewers (myself included) who adore having the option of watching what I want when I want. I could never go back to watching shows just on TV again. I also have found that I watch more shows because they're online than I would if I could only watch them on TV. The viewing time feels much faster online.
Online feels more convenient because I control when and how I watch it. Oftentimes, I'll put a show on in the background while I'm getting work done. I could never go back to traditional viewing again.
FYI: To many of us, it would seem that "religious" "spiritual" people would not want to be associated with companies whose primary business depends on the exploitation of Women's bodies.
"a big homo"?
What century are we in?
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Originally posted by sarahvma:
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Originally posted by Gee: Just curious: was he religious and spiritual when he worked at Hooters? A bit contradictory.
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Originally posted by sarahvma: As a quick FYI, I know Chris's cousin, and he comes from a very religious, spiritual family.
That said, there's a big difference between working at a place where girls wear shiny orange Daisy Dukes and, say, rallying against same-sex marriage while it turns out you're a big homo yourself.
I don't think working at Hooters means that something he says about a school massacre has any less weight or that he isn't lovin' Jesus. I'm not a religious person. I don't know what the stance is on frying crappy burgers so big-breasted women can serve them.
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Hi Travis I hate to keep bugging you but you are just so good at what you do (yeah a little kissing up there) with all this talk about GG returning next year for at least a partial season, could this be the end for OTH?
I did watch the pilot of the CW's Hidden Palms and it was ok but I don't see it being the network's big break.
FYI: To many of us, it would seem that "religious" "spiritual" people would not want to be associated with companies whose primary business depends on the exploitation of Women's bodies.
"a big homo"?
What century are we in?
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Originally posted by sarahvma:
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Originally posted by Gee: Just curious: was he religious and spiritual when he worked at Hooters? A bit contradictory.
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Originally posted by sarahvma: As a quick FYI, I know Chris's cousin, and he comes from a very religious, spiritual family.
That said, there's a big difference between working at a place where girls wear shiny orange Daisy Dukes and, say, rallying against same-sex marriage while it turns out you're a big homo yourself.
I don't think working at Hooters means that something he says about a school massacre has any less weight or that he isn't lovin' Jesus. I'm not a religious person. I don't know what the stance is on frying crappy burgers so big-breasted women can serve them.
Unless HP explodes into a sumemr hit (which no one is expecting it to... the producers have been done with it for months and gone on to other things), it's not coming back. In fact, I don't think you'll hear it mentioned in the CW upfronts two weeks prior to its premiere (unless, of course, they mention that it is premiering... it is among their summer plans, after all).
I don't think GG will affect OTH. Especially if it's a shortened season pick-up. Any form of GG pick-up is probably bad news for VM. But OTH will have three airings post-Model and pre-upfront. CW will see what to do based on that. The show got trounced because of being against Idol and terrible programming (putting originals on after the much less female skewing Geek). When it comes back, it faces hour-long Idol, true, but it has Model behind it.
It's unfortunately (for the OTH fans) a wait-and-see thanks to this January and February. In November/December OTH's return would've been a done deal.
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So, the singer isn't religious because s/he worked at Hooters. That is your argument? Didn't the other poster say they were from a religious "family"? That would indicate that maybe he isn't as religous as other people, but that s/he still has a personal relationship with a higher being. Okay, glad that was cleared up. Down with the Death Star!
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Originally posted by Gee: Of course not. Only when people try to pull the religious family excuse.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Its a restuarant people. Does it really matter?
OTH still did fine considering Idol was around. Much higher than the average VM had against Idol earlier this year.
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Originally posted by TravisYanan: Unless HP explodes into a sumemr hit (which no one is expecting it to... the producers have been done with it for months and gone on to other things), it's not coming back. In fact, I don't think you'll hear it mentioned in the CW upfronts two weeks prior to its premiere (unless, of course, they mention that it is premiering... it is among their summer plans, after all).
I don't think GG will affect OTH. Especially if it's a shortened season pick-up. Any form of GG pick-up is probably bad news for VM. But OTH will have three airings post-Model and pre-upfront. CW will see what to do based on that. The show got trounced because of being against Idol and terrible programming (putting originals on after the much less female skewing Geek). When it comes back, it faces hour-long Idol, true, but it has Model behind it.
It's unfortunately (for the OTH fans) a wait-and-see thanks to this January and February. In November/December OTH's return would've been a done deal.
But do you really think CW is sitting back and saying "okay, we have a show that can do high-3/low-4 million viewers in the fall, but when Idol comes, we'd be happy with mid-2s"?
OTH needs to come back on the scene with originals and do better than the PCD repeats have been doing out of Model. If it can't, that would be BAD news for it.
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Yes. Of course. People are religious through their faith, thoughts, and actions, not from any descriptions they ascribe to themselves, such as "personal relationship with a higher power"
Phrases like that are too often the default excuse for those who want to excuse their real earth-bound wrongdoing.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: So, the singer isn't religious because s/he worked at Hooters. That is your argument?
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