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Originally posted by Obveeus:

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Originally posted by robert:
Make that 2.5 and then FOX will think about it

You think Dollhouse needs a 2.5 demo to succeed on Friday, yet many people were calling Flashpoint a success and it hasn't done that well in any episode this season.

I don't think Flashpoint it's a success, and let me remind you even CBS canceled a show like C2H that was getting 2.3-2.4 in demos. And that was CBS, do you really think FOX will renew a show like Dollhouse (which i assume isn't all that cheap) if it gets around 2 in demos. Impossible

With all due respect to the weak shows the broadcast networks put on this Friday and the likely short fused movie people are calling a 'hit', the #1 thing to have watched last nigth was Battlestar Galactica. Great episode of a great show that is at full steam creatively as it stides towards the series finish line.

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Originally posted by Bruce:
Did it take GW and FLASHPOINT to post disparite numbers to realize that the shows may not share as many viewers as previously thought? Even when the shows post similar ratings might it be a case of one aud leaving the building and another entering? I know there is some resistance to that idea, but I would certainly like to debate it.

I would argue that there are distinct GW and Numb3rs audiences, and every show that's been between them has been a blatant attempt to connect with exactly one of those audiences. The question is whether the disconnect is at 9 or at 10. (or at both 9 and 10 ) Flashpoint, as you say, is probably not a GW pairing.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
Friday 2/13/09
-Noticeable Growth from Lead-in (But Still Not Impressive): Dollhouse (Fox)
-Friday’s Losers: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox); Friday Night Lights (NBC)
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Fox – Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles
8:00 p.m. Viewers: 3.90 million (#4), A18-49: 1.4/ 5 (#2t)
8:30 p.m. Viewers: 3.52 million (#4), A18-49: 1.3/ 4 (#3)
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Fox – Dollhouse (premiere)
9:00 p.m. Viewers: 4.73 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#1t)
9:30 p.m. Viewers: 4.70 million (#3), A18-49: 2.0/ 6 (#2)
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NBC – Friday Night Lights
9:00 p.m. Viewers: 3.50 million (#4), A18-49: 1.1/ 4 (#4)
9:30 p.m. Viewers: 3.42 million (#4), A18-49: 1.1/ 3 (#4)

While I am pleased with the better-than-expected 'Dollhouse' preem numbers, it seems to have come at the expense of another Friday night favourite, 'Friday Night Lights'. Hopefully, FNL will see a nice spike in its DVR C3 numbers to compensate for its fall in Live+SD.

The 'Terminator' numbers are also concerning, as it was such a gripping episode, and seemed to herald yet another creative re-boot for the series...they seem to finally be ridding themselves of John's whingey, annoying little blonde tart, and that's the best development all season.

I'm not surprised that the '20/20' episode did so well. It was a fascinating documentary of residents of the Appalachians as reported by Miss Diane Sawyer...what a contrast to the peurile 'Primetime' newsmagazine series which now has descended to reporting news that it creates itself. And based on last nights report, I shall never let another sip of Mountain Dew pass through my lips... who knew it wreaked such devastation upon the teeth?

FNL must be done. Has NBC announced yet what they will do with Friday Night Lights?

cbs doesn't have to worry about flashpoint at all, the timeslot is not good for the show demo wise. there's a lot of people that i know that watched it during the summer but havent even watched it this season at all because of the timeslot.

flashpoint deserves to be a 10pm show and should move back to 10pm either on the same night or out of csi. numbers should be on at 9pm or cold case like some people said. cbs has enough pilots going into next year to take care of sunday nights.

since the unit will not be coming back next season they should move flashpoint to sundays at 10pm behind cold case for the rest of the season.

fox was a dud but the 2.0 was decent. smackdown is a huge threat as this show targets that male audience.

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Originally posted by Walter:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Woah there! That statement isn't even close to correct. ABC had its best Friday all year, CBS was close to current levels (at least GW was) and Fox had a stronger demo Friday than most. Jason did nothing. I'm expecting low box office returns for what looked like a joke.

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Originally posted by Eagles#5:
Everything looked down last night. It looks like Jason's $20 million opening night kept some asses out the door last night as even CBS was down.

FOX well not sure about them right now. If they can get these numbers every week then that'll be decent, but not nearly as well as the game shows did.

Well the movie was placed in over 3000 theaters and the audiance in my theater clapped at the end. I really like and i have seen all the other ones to. It was so close to being as good at the original. The only reason it was not was because the killed of Danielle.

whether you like Jason or not this was fuckin' history being made for a horror movie even it is the popular f13. i didn't think it was going to make $20 million. twilight and james bond was the last two movies to do that on opening night.

i went to go see it last night here in seattle and man people loved it and clapped and even gave it a freakin' standing ovation for about two minutes during the credits. very diverse audience too as they're interesting themselves. even this morning there was a line outside the theater on valentine's day morning. crazy right?

FOX Still Tops A18-49 in Week 21, CBS and ABC Tussling Over Second

After five nights of Week 21, FOX holds a comfortable lead over all the other nets in A18-49 with a healthy 4.56 average. CBS is strong in second with a 3.38 average, while ABC is coming on strong in third with a 3.12 average. NBC sits in fourth with a 2.54 average, Univision is fifth with 1.83, The CW is sixth with a 0.67, and MyNetworkTV last with 0.33.

In viewers, CBS leads with an average of 13,034,000 viewers, while FOX is close behind in second, ABC third, NBC fourth, Univision fifth, The CW sixth and MyNetworkTV is down at the bottom.

CBS, ABC and Univision are the only networks showing improvements in both demo and viewers over last season, and overall, the seven networks are up dramatically from the first five days of the same week last season.

Week 21, FIve Nights (4 Finals, 1 FASTnat)
# Network A18-49 (%YOY) Millions of Viewers (%YOY)
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1. FOX 4.56  (-17%)  12.296 (-10%)
2. CBS 3.38  (+39%)  13.034 (+54%)
3. ABC 3.12  (+46%)   8.298 (+29%) 
4. NBC 2.54  (-15%)   6.966 (-25%)
5. UNI 1.83  (+11%)   4.455 (+14%) <- 4 nights
6. CW  0.67  (-32%)   1.550 (-41%) 
7. MNT 0.33  (-38%)   1.008 (-26%) <- 4 nights

YOY = Year-Over-Year increase/decrease to same week last year.

Year-Over-Year 7-Network Demo/Viewer Growth(+)/Erosion(-)
Night A18-49 +/- Viewers +/-
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Week 21:
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Monday:       A: +15% V: +18% final
Tuesday:      A:  -8% V:  +2% final
Wednesday:    A:  +7% V:  +5% final
Thursday:     A: +10% V: +10% final
Friday:       A:  -8% V: -11% preliminaries

Week-to-Date: A:  +4%  V: +6%
  

FOX was disappointing last night, no matter what anyone says. Very, very, very disappointing. This really says a lot about SCC - it premiered to what, 17 million viewers? Last night it could barely struggle 3 million. And Dollhouse - unfortunately, I don't think this show would have done much anywhere else, so Friday was where it was slotted, and these are the results. Even with a 2.0 demo, 4 million viewers is nothing to survive on. FOX should have never messed with the gameshows here - they were pulling in good numbers, especially in their last few airings, when they were hitting great numbers.

CBS was down, but definitely not out. My guess is Dollhouse (and Valentine's weekend) hurt Flashpoint a bit, and 20/20 (with a very impressive number) hurt Numbers. That's not a problem, and it's definitely not an indication that Numbers is on its way out. Flashpoint is cheap programming, and its producing good numbers (better than Moonlight . . .). Numbers still has a couple good years in it I think. Their Friday night lineup works.

ABC had great numbers last night, with both Wifeswap and Supernanny, and especially 20/20, which I don't really understand either. NBC - there's not even words to describe them anymore. So goes the good ratings for Howie Do It - maybe NBC should bring back Deal or no Deal for awhile. And Friday Night Lights - it can't survive on NBC anymore. But maybe another network?

Flashpoint is probably too gritty to air out of Ghost Whisper. CBS should flip it with Eleventh Hour, at least until Harper's Island starts (and return if HI fails). Flashpoint did well out of CSI last summer, while Eleventh Hour probably is a better fit between GW and Numb3rs. It's tone is more relaxed than Flashpoint while being similar enough to Numb3rs (FBI scientist and FBI mathematician) to share some audience. At worst, EH will go down, which it is doing now on a night with

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Originally posted by ScottyA222:
cbs doesn't have to worry about flashpoint at all, the timeslot is not good for the show demo wise. there's a lot of people that i know that watched it during the summer but havent even watched it this season at all because of the timeslot.

flashpoint deserves to be a 10pm show and should move back to 10pm either on the same night or out of csi. numbers should be on at 9pm or cold case like some people said. cbs has enough pilots going into next year to take care of sunday nights.

since the unit will not be coming back next season they should move flashpoint to sundays at 10pm behind cold case for the rest of the season.

fox was a dud but the 2.0 was decent. smackdown is a huge threat as this show targets that male audience.

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Originally posted by Walter:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Woah there! That statement isn't even close to correct. ABC had its best Friday all year, CBS was close to current levels (at least GW was) and Fox had a stronger demo Friday than most. Jason did nothing. I'm expecting low box office returns for what looked like a joke.

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Originally posted by Eagles#5:
Everything looked down last night. It looks like Jason's $20 million opening night kept some asses out the door last night as even CBS was down.

FOX well not sure about them right now. If they can get these numbers every week then that'll be decent, but not nearly as well as the game shows did.

Well the movie was placed in over 3000 theaters and the audiance in my theater clapped at the end. I really like and i have seen all the other ones to. It was so close to being as good at the original. The only reason it was not was because the killed of Danielle.

whether you like Jason or not this was fuckin' history being made for a horror movie even it is the popular f13. i didn't think it was going to make $20 million. twilight and james bond was the last two movies to do that on opening night.

i went to go see it last night here in seattle and man people loved it and clapped and even gave it a freakin' standing ovation for about two minutes during the credits. very diverse audience too as they're interesting themselves. even this morning there was a line outside the theater on valentine's day morning. crazy right?

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Originally posted by ScottyA222:
this was xxxxxx' history being made

You don't have to use profanity to make your point.

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Originally posted by spotupj:

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Originally posted by Bruce:
Did it take GW and FLASHPOINT to post disparite numbers to realize that the shows may not share as many viewers as previously thought? Even when the shows post similar ratings might it be a case of one aud leaving the building and another entering? I know there is some resistance to that idea, but I would certainly like to debate it.

I would argue that there are distinct GW and Numb3rs audiences, and every show that's been between them has been a blatant attempt to connect with exactly one of those audiences. The question is whether the disconnect is at 9 or at 10. (or at both 9 and 10 ) Flashpoint, as you say, is probably not a GW pairing.

I think GW has had the most committed, singular audience who are interested in watching that show and are not merely hourly or network viewers. Its audience has been relatively stable over the years, slanting a bit older of late.

C2H I believe picked up a piece of this aud because of Finnigan, Finnigan brought some of her own aud, and the (substantial) rest was hourly or network viewers who found this show plenty acceptable for friday but wouldn't have followed it around on another nite. Thus the older slant of the show.

NUMBERS has a definite core of viewers who are probably relatively young by CBS standards, and in its early days it brought in the residual viewers mentiioned above which swelled its TA numbers. The first group has shrunk as the show has grown stale, and the latter group has shrunk first from L&O in the hour in 06-07, then MOONLIGHT in the 9 hour last year.

MOONLIGHT probably had a certain aud apart from GW, got some help from GW but not a huge boost, and none of the large residual audience.

FLASHPOINT is good enough to draw the network audience but probably only gets a slice of the GW aud and at this point is probably vulnerable to having some viewers stripped if something new entered the hour, which happened last nite.

COLD CASE was mentioned, so....it would bring much of its respectable core audience, pick up more of the GW aud than FLASHPOINT, probably score with the passive audience, and probably provide a boost to anything in the 10pm hour regardless of what shape that show was in as long as it is not a male slanter like SHARK or THE UNIT.

Wow, these boards are quite busy today!

The biggest winner of the night was by far 20/20. Last nights special was amazing IMO. Supernanny is also doing pretty good for ABC. Wife Swap is still low, but I think Supernanny only does well when it has Wife Swap as a lead in.

Now onto CBS. I watched Flashpoint last night and I would have to say I was a bit disappointed. Last nights episode had to be one of the worst in the series.

T:SCC and Dollhouse are both losers. Sure the demo for Dollhouse was at a 2.0, but for how expensive the show is, thats bad. I expect it to drop in the next few weeks.

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Originally posted by yankeesrj12:
T:SCC and Dollhouse are both losers. Sure the demo for Dollhouse was at a 2.0, but for how expensive the show is, thats bad. I expect it to drop in the next few weeks.

How expensive is Dollhouse?

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-Friday’s Losers:
Howie Do It (NBC), Wife Swap (ABC), Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Fox); Everybody Hates Chris (CW), The Game (CW), Friday Night Lights (NBC), 13 – Fear is Real (CW), Dateline (NBC)

I believe Everybody Hates Chris and The Game were repeats.

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Originally posted by ScottyA222:
cbs doesn't have to worry about flashpoint at all, the timeslot is not good for the show demo wise. there's a lot of people that i know that watched it during the summer but havent even watched it this season at all because of the timeslot.

flashpoint deserves to be a 10pm show and should move back to 10pm either on the same night or out of csi. numbers should be on at 9pm or cold case like some people said. cbs has enough pilots going into next year to take care of sunday nights.

since the unit will not be coming back next season they should move flashpoint to sundays at 10pm behind cold case for the rest of the season.

fox was a dud but the 2.0 was decent. smackdown is a huge threat as this show targets that male audience.

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Originally posted by Walter:

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
Woah there! That statement isn't even close to correct. ABC had its best Friday all year, CBS was close to current levels (at least GW was) and Fox had a stronger demo Friday than most. Jason did nothing. I'm expecting low box office returns for what looked like a joke.

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Originally posted by Eagles#5:
Everything looked down last night. It looks like Jason's $20 million opening night kept some asses out the door last night as even CBS was down.

FOX well not sure about them right now. If they can get these numbers every week then that'll be decent, but not nearly as well as the game shows did.

Well the movie was placed in over 3000 theaters and the audiance in my theater clapped at the end. I really like and i have seen all the other ones to. It was so close to being as good at the original. The only reason it was not was because the killed of Danielle.

whether you like Jason or not this was fuckin' history being made for a horror movie even it is the popular f13. i didn't think it was going to make $20 million. twilight and james bond was the last two movies to do that on opening night.

i went to go see it last night here in seattle and man people loved it and clapped and even gave it a freakin' standing ovation for about two minutes during the credits. very diverse audience too as they're interesting themselves. even this morning there was a line outside the theater on valentine's day morning. crazy right?

I know!!! I thought it was really good. Ya i saw the midnight showing on thurday night/ Friday morning. I was so surprised that my parents let me go. A horror movie being in over 3000 theaters is really rair.