Originally posted by jasonj263: I am so upset about Men in Trees, This is really a good show and the cast is really much better this season. I only started watching it because of VLIS and now it is probably over. ARGHHH!
Men in Trees is a good show with a bright future last year imo, but ABC screwed up in moving it back to Fridays with about zilch in promotion. The move to Wed. was a good idea but again wasn't promoted correctly.
The 24th game of the 2007-08 season of the original (and challenging) P.I. Feedback Challenge is online! You have until Tuesday March 4 @ 7:59am ET to join in on the fun of this game!
Originally posted by TravisYanan: I know this has nothing to do with Wednesday. But that episode of Lost just COMPLETELY blew my mind. Amazing storytelling.
I agree. This certainly beats the Kate-Sawyer-Jack-Aaron(?) quadrangle from last week.
Originally posted by TravisYanan: I know this has nothing to do with Wednesday. But that episode of Lost just COMPLETELY blew my mind. Amazing storytelling.
O M G --- this episode ROCKED!!! I hope people watched it, because it was probably one of the best of the entire series. One of the others "Man of science, man of faith" also featured Desmond, in the hatch. And it explained quite a few things about what had been happening to Desmond, it was incredible: ABC, JJ & crew -- more like this please!!!
See you all in the May Sweep Prediction Game as Zedman2 defends his title.
Congrats to Zedman2 for winning 1st place!! His always had some of the best insight, and this proves it!
Can we do it like the daily game and hand out silver and bronze as well? That way, game creator dumont and yours truly Chimera can also be recognized for successfully predicting an unpredictable month?
Also, do we have to wait for May sweeps to do it again? Can we do it for every month, especially as the networks start their new shows, March, and especially April, could be interesting prediction months. I know they're not traditional sweeps, but this year they will be extremely important, showing which network has the best "come back from the strike" strategy. What do you think dumont?
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O M G --- this episode ROCKED!!! I hope people watched it, because it was probably one of the best of the entire series. One of the others "Man of science, man of faith" also featured Desmond, in the hatch. And it explained quite a few things about what had been happening to Desmond, it was incredible: ABC, JJ & crew -- more like this please!!!
I agree! A very well done episode. They should rip off Star Trek more often.
O M G --- this episode ROCKED!!! I hope people watched it, because it was probably one of the best of the entire series. One of the others "Man of science, man of faith" also featured Desmond, in the hatch. And it explained quite a few things about what had been happening to Desmond, it was incredible: ABC, JJ & crew -- more like this please!!!
I agree! A very well done episode. They should rip off Star Trek more often.
I watched that ST:TNG finale, and it was an excellent episode -- it was probably one of the best series finales ever, and definitely the best of the Star Trek franchise.
However, I did not think of ST:TNG at all while watching LOST last night. Aside from the theme of time travel and how the past may affect the future, which is common in many sci-fi shows (Back to the Future certainly being more prevalent than Star Trek), and is certainly not "owned" by Star Trek.
Having said all that, if it made pisher happy, that's an achievement in itself!
I watched that ST:TNG finale, and it was an excellent episode -- it was probably one of the best series finales ever, and definitely the best of the Star Trek franchise.
Well sure--STNG was the highest achievement of that franchise, and really, a high-water mark in the history of television.
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However, I did not think of ST:TNG at all while watching LOST last night.
Neither did I. I thought of it AFTERWARDS, and it immediately became obvious where they got the idea from.
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Aside from the theme of time travel and how the past may affect the future, which is common in many sci-fi shows (Back to the Future certainly being more prevalent than Star Trek), and is certainly not "owned" by Star Trek.
I'm not calling it plagiarism--I'm simply stating the obvious fact that a man's CONSCIOUSNESS travelling back and forth along the currents of his own life, and calling upon his personal relationships to resolve the imbalance causing this phenomenon is a very specific idea, and clearly the Lost writers got it from STNG. I doubt they'd even bother to deny it. STNG borrowed plenty as well. But in fact, there's nothing on Lost that isn't borrowed. I mean, you do know the whole premise of the show was derived from a very conscious effort to remake "Land of the Lost" for adults, right?
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Having said all that, if it made pisher happy, that's an achievement in itself!
I'm relieved to say that my happiness doesn't depend on whether or not the latest Lost episode was good or not. Man, that would really suck. My heart bleeds for you.
Originally posted by pisher: I mean, you do know the whole premise of the show was derived from a very conscious effort to remake "Land of the Lost" for adults, right?
No it wasn't actually -- it was an idea from Lloyd Braun to create a fictionalized version of Survivor, which was a huge show at the time. Now you can call that derived, but I find LOST to be the most original and inventive show on tv today, and its story-telling is first-rate. Never mind the idea, because many shows sound great as a pitch -- but LOST is the most intricately crafted show out there.
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Originally posted by pisher: I'm relieved to say that my happiness doesn't depend on whether or not the latest Lost episode was good or not. Man, that would really suck. My heart bleeds for you.
All I did was restate that it made you happy, based on your earlier post saying:
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Originally posted by pisher: I agree! A very well done episode.
Now, if you weren't happy it was a very well done episode, the first time you've said that about LOST since I've been on the boards, that's fine. But why does your heart bleed for me based on that comment? I don't care if it made you happy or not, was just pleasantly surprised to see you say anything positive about it (even though you keep saying you haven't missed an episode). Sure enough, you took the pleasantry away with your usual attempt to attack even the most courtious of posts.
No it wasn't actually -- it was an idea from Lloyd Braun to create a fictionalized version of Survivor, which was a huge show at the time.
Yeah, that's the official story, I know. And those are always true, aren't they?
Back in 1977, a writer named Anthony Spinner was hired to come up with a new spin on Sid and Marty Krofft's classic Saturday morning kid show Land of the Lost--a primetime version with more adult subject matter. The show ended up not being made (like most projects in development).
Back in 2005, he sued ABC for using specific ideas in his script for Lost.
Now was Survivor's popularity one of the elements that led to Lost? Unquestionably. Hot people having power struggles on a beach. That's the full extent of the influence.
If you watch the first season of LoTL, you see where most of the other basic story ideas came from. If you want a list, I'll run it down, but it would take a lot of typing. Be easier (and more fun) to just Netflix the season one DVDs for LoTL.
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Now you can call that derived, but I find LOST to be the most original and inventive show on tv today,
It's the best show on network primetime, I agree. I don't agree that's much of an honor, but I still like the show, at least on the weeks when they come up with a decent script (they are definitely doing better with the relatively neglected characters--a Jack or Kate oriented ep nearly always sucks now).
Nothing on it is original. It's a nicely made piece of formula genre fiction, and no, they are not getting ideas from arcane tomes of western philosophy. They are getting ideas from earlier genre shows.
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and its story-telling is first-rate.
Every single week?
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Never mind the idea, because many shows sound great as a pitch -- but LOST is the most intricately crafted show out there.
Can't afford HBO?
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Sure enough, you took the pleasantry away with your usual attempt to attack even the most courtious of posts.
(pisher courteously refrains from further comment).
There's no reason for McPHerson to give credit to his predecessor if it wasn't true -- saying "Survivor" was the inspiration versus saying "Land of the Lost" was the inspiration doesn't make much of a difference -- they admitted there was inspiration, and actually if they had said that an older show was the inspiration it would have been better for them than having to say it was a current competitor's show.
And as far as HBO, I find their shows extremely over-rated and laden with gratuitous sex and violence.
Now, I have ajob, so sorry, I'm going to have to cut this fun off...
There's no reason for McPHerson to give credit to his predecessor if it wasn't true
Or even if it was.
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-- saying "Survivor" was the inspiration versus saying "Land of the Lost" was the inspiration doesn't make much of a difference --
There were lots of different inspirations, but Survivor was only an inspiration in the same sense that Gene Roddenberry sold Star Trek to NBC by calling it "Wagon Train in Space".
Land of the Lost provided a lot of very specific ideas. Survivor just contributed to the general look and setting of the show, and the characters' increasingly skimpy wardrobes.
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they admitted there was inspiration, and actually if they had said that an older show was the inspiration it would have been better for them than having to say it was a current competitor's show.
Only if they'd really ripped off Survivor, and I'd really like you to explain to me how a SciFi drama can rip off a cheesy reality show by virtue of being set on a beach and there's a mix of people having meaningless power struggles. I mean, do you think Survivor ripped off Gilligan's Island?
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And as far as HBO, I find their shows extremely over-rated and laden with gratuitous sex and violence.
And you'll never see any of that on Lost.
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Now, I have ajob, so sorry, I'm going to have to cut this fun off...
From Marc's newsletter -- even though DFTL, LOST, and CSI are clustered in the HH, I expect LOST to win out in both viewers and demo as it did last week. In fact, it looks like it will be up slightly from last week...
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Prime-Time Metered Market Thursday Ratings: Idol Ignited Fox Dominates
-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Thursday, March 1, 2007) NBC: no change, ABC: - 3, CBS: -18, Fox and CW: -24 each
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Note: The fast affiliate results for Thursday will be posted at PIFeedback by 12 p.m. ET. Go to the website, click on Ratings Box (the first category), then Last Night’s Results, and Thursday, Feb. 28, 2008.
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-Yesterday’s Winners: American Idol (Fox), Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox), CSI R (CBS), Lost (ABC), Without a Trace R (CBS)
-Honorable Mention: Survivor: Micronesia (CBS)
-Yesterday’s Losers: Eli Stone (ABC), Lipstick Jungle (NBC)
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-Ratings Breakdown: Led by the live American Idol Results show, Fox’s winning streak continued, further proving that Idol on any night of the evening can ignite the network to victory. Second in the Thursday overnights was CBS, followed by ABC, NBC and the CW.
American Idol opened the evening with a healthy 14.2 rating/22 share at 8 p.m., doubling CBS’ normally dominant Survivor: Micronesia (#2: 7.1/11). With four more Idol contestants history -- Alexandrea Lushington, Alaina Whitaker, Jason Yeager and Robbie Carrico -- that leaves 16 left. Over at the land called Survivor, don’t you think mixing the fans and favorites next week is too soon?
Also airing in the 8 p.m. hour was a repeat of ABC’s Lost (4.0/ 6), two repeat episodes of NBC’s The Office (avg. 3.1/ 5) and a repeat of the CW”s Smallville (1.8/ 3). Damn that word repeat!
Leading out of American Idol, Fox’s Don’t Forget the Lyrics benefited at 9 p.m., inching past a repeat of CBS’ CSI and ABC’s Lost in the overnights as follows:
Thursday 9 p.m. Don’t Forget the Lyrics (Fox): 8.1/12 CSI R (CBS): 8.0/12 Lost (ABC): 7.9/12
Lost is expected to dominate among adults 18-49, however, once the fast affiliate results are posted at PIFeedback.
Capping off the 9 p.m. hour was NBC’s Celebrity Apprentice (#4: 5.3/ 8) and a repeat of the CW’s Reaper (#5: 1.4/ 2), which moved into the Thursday 9 p.m. hour yesterday. Based on next week’s preview, let’s hope that it is Omarosa who is history on Celebrity Apprentice.
CBS moved into the Thursday 10 p.m. winners circle care of a repeat of Without a Trace at a 7.6/13 in the overnights. Next was ABC’s Eli Stone (5.2/ 9), which continues to squander the Lost lead-in support, and NBC’s failing Lipstick Jungle (4.2/ 7).
Source: Nielsen Media Research data
Final February Sweep Results: Dominant Fox in a Class of Its Own
Led by the Giants versus the Patriots on the historically top-rated Super Bowl XLII and, of course, American Idol, Fox dominated February 2008, building year-to-year by 41 percent in total viewers and 33 percent among adults 18-49. Comparably, this was Fox’s most-watched and highest rated sweep period ever among adults 18-49 and the best in the demo for any network since NBC in February 2002.
CBS (which aired the Super Bowl in Feb. 2007) took a huge hit, finishing in the distant No. 2 spot in total viewers (down 48 percent year-to-year) and fourth among adults 18-49 (down 54 percent). The remaining three networks also suffered double-digit losses, with ABC second in adults 18-49. The writers strike, no doubt, took its toll.
What follows are the final national rating results in February 2008 (with percent change versus the comparable year-ago period in parentheses):
-Top Model Celebrates Episode No. 100: The 100th episode of the CW’s America’s Next Top Model finished second in the Wednesday 8 p.m. hour this week in adults 18-34 (2.6 rating/7 share), women 18-34 (3.9/10), women 18-49 (2.8/ 7), men 18-34 (1.4/ 4), persons 12-34 (2.4/ 7) and females 12-34 (3.5/10). Growth versus last Wednesday’s season-opener was four percent in adults 18-34 and five percent among adults 18-49.
-Final Feb Sweep Results for MyNetworkTV: Now that the Feb. 2008 sweeps is an official wrap, sophomore MyNetworkTV has some significant crowing rights including growth of 491,000 total viewers (713,000 to 1.204 million) and 150 percent among adults 18-49 (0.2 to 0.5 rating). Factor in upcoming WWE Smackdown! and you can count on more growth to come next season.
-Record Results for Lifetime Movie Network: Based on February 2008, Lifetime Movie Network delivered its sixth straight month of double-digit household growth in primetime (0.7 rating: +17 percent) and total day (0.6: +50 percent), while building by 50 percent among women 18-34 (0.3) in primetime. Coming up on LMN: original miniseries The Capture of the Green River Killer on Sunday, March 30 and Monday, March 31 at 8 p.m. ET.
-Daytime Ratings Update: Based on ratings for the week of Feb. 18, it was another week of split leadership in daytime. CBS, of course, was the most-watched network (for the 987th consecutive week!); NBC was No. 1 among key women 18-49. Here are the results:
Total Viewers: CBS: 4.30 million, NBC: 3.22, ABC: 3.14
Women 18-49: NBC: 1.09 million, ABC and CBS: 977,000 each
