Did finally sample Dexter last Night. It seems to be a pretty good show and compatible with most of their line up. Not sure why the Parent Group is targeting this show (CBS Version) to boycott. Its just as tame as CSI or ER with the "Dead and wonded bodies".
Now since Dexter is out of Miami, perhaps he can hunt down Mr. Sunglasses within the CSI Department.
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Originally posted by Zitrone: Drop for Dexter, but it built in demo from its lead-in. We'll see how it does next week without the Oscars.
Originally posted by pisher: The other thing is that people don't need to watch The Oscars to find out who won--they can be doing online stuff, and just hit some site that's live-blogging the event.
The only way to bring people back is to actually make the Oscar telecast entertaining and fun, something it has not been for many years, regardless of what movies were nominated.
I agree with that. I think a lot of people watch the Oscars to see who won, but contrary to the general belief don't care much about the fashion, acceptance speeches or musical numbers. You can find that info online easily.
I still think that if you have a commercially successful movie as a nominee the numbers would increase, but the days of 40 million+ viewers may be done.
More worrisome for ABC is the 18-49 numbers. Still a large number but a number that doesn't even hold up to a normal telecast of AI.
There have been years where the nominees have not been box-office standouts, however, I cant remember a year in recent memory where there was the lack of enthusiasm for movies the way I see it this year.
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Originally posted by whatsonpop: I think it has a lot to do with no one really being passionate about the movies that were nominated this year. Aside from Juno, none of them had stellar box office. Pretty off year in general for awards shows.
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Originally posted by robert: WOW
That's a disaster for the Oscars. I never thought i'll see the day when the Oscars will be below 30 million
Yeah, but there have been other years with movies no one really cared about but the Oscars still did very good.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Did finally sample Dexter last Night. It seems to be a pretty good show and compatible with most of their line up. Not sure why the Parent Group is targeting this show (CBS Version) to boycott. Its just as tame as CSI or ER with the "Dead and wonded bodies".
I think the fact that the hero is a psychopath serial killer might have something to do with it.
Note, this organization is amazingly stupid. They gave a "red" grade (as bad as Dexter) to Arrested Development for example, with this comment:
"The language is also very harsh on this program, as “bleeps” are scripted into the program. In one episode, Buster expresses his dislike for his mother by going on an expletive laden tirade, all of which had to be censored by the network."
You can't make this stuff up.
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Not Even Oscar Can Put a Dent in FOX Dominance After 25 Days of the 2008 February Sweep:
After 25 days of the February Sweep, ABC got a less-than-expected bump from its Oscar Award coverage, but FOX did quite nicely with its rain-delayed NAScar coverage in direct competition. As a result, FOX continued on its way towards a record-breaking first place across all key measures in the February Sweep.
The mammoth FOX lead over its rivals has been fueled by the enormous, record-breaking Super Bowl numbers, the powerhouse American Idol numbers, and reliable ratings strength on every other night (FOX has won every single Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday of the Sweep in the A18-49 demo).
In the young audience A18-49 demo that advertisers crave for ad placement, FOX has the most nightly wins, having beaten the other networks on 16 out of 25 nights so far (one tie), followed by NBC with five nightly wins (one NBC win was a tie with FOX).
After 25 days, ABC has pole-vaulted back into second place in the A18-49 demo with a .26 advantage over third place NBC that should be enough to hold through the remaining three days. In the households and viewership measures, CBS clings to a very narrow hold on second place (ahead of ABC by a mere 42,000 viewers).
After 25 days, the two News Corporation networks FOX and MyNetworkTV are both showing solid double-digit improvement over their numbers from last year. All the remaining networks are showing significant double-digit year-over-year declines, with NBC showing the least year-over-year slippage (-12% in demo, -11% in households, and -9% in viewers) while CBS, who were last year's Super Bowl broadcaster, is faring worst (-55% in demo, -43% in households, -48% in viewers) due to its large proportion of encore programming as a result of the writers strike.
After 25 days, the six networks are showing smaller-than-expected (given the combined effect of the writers strike and increased use of DVR's) year-over-year erosion: the young adult demo down by -13%, households are down by -12% on a year-over-year basis, while viewership is down by -10% year-over-year.
nights nights
demo web demo demo % won won
Rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 6.82 4.70 45% 16 10
2 ABC 2.70 3.82 -29% 4 6
3 NBC 2.44 2.76 -12% 5
4 CBS 2.23 5.00 -55% 1 8
5 CW 0.89 1.29 -31%
6 MNT* 0.47 0.26 79%
total 15.55 17.83 -13% 26 24
nights nights
HH web HH HH HH won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 9.5 6.8 40% 13 7
2 CBS 5.3 9.3 -43% 6 13
3 ABC 5.1 6.5 -22% 4 4
4 NBC 4.7 5.3 -11% 5 2
5 CW 1.5 2.1 -27%
6 MNT* 0.8 0.5 54%
total 27.0 30.6 -12% 28 26
nights nights
viewers web viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 17.721 11.545 53% 13 7
2 CBS 8.132 15.733 -48% 4 13
3 ABC 8.090 10.292 -21% 4 4
4 NBC 7.451 8.205 -9% 4 1
5 CW 2.349 3.266 -28%
6 MNT* 1.222 0.770 59%
total 44.97 49.81 -10% 25 25
* MyNetworkTV for the first 22 nights only.
This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers except for this years most recent Friday, Saturday and Sunday numbers which are based upon FAST National data.
Juno was commercially successful, and a lot fresher in the public mind than the summer crap. There just wasn't a big blockbuster tentpole film that could have credibly been nominated this year. And as I've already said, there have been many years when blockbusters were nominated, and actually won major awards, and the ratings still declined. This isn't a trend they can arrest by nominating different films. They need a better choice of films to nominate in the first place, and they need to present the awards in a less dated and cheesy manner.
Honestly, Bollywood could put on a better awards show--and does frequently, I'm sure.
The truth is i was always surprised by the fact that the Oscars do so well. I've always found the award showa to be painfully boring. As i said i would prefer every award show to be like this year's Golden Globes. Just announce the winners: no stupid speeches, no commercial breaks every 5 minutes, no bad presenters, no stupid "jokes" etc.
Viewer groups attacking Dexter can only help its ratings.
What's hurting Dexter is that it's just not a very good show. Take away the nudity, the profanity, and some of the more extreme elements of its violence, and what's left? A rather tepidly written contrived mess, albeit with a terrific actor trying to breathe life into a character not even a tenth as complex and alive as his Six Feet Under character.
Once the camera isn't on Hall, what we see is a fifth rate copshow with nobody to root for, and a ridiculous outmoded obsession with serial killers, that is being hilariously sent up on The Wire. Which actually does about as well on HBO as Dexter does on Showtime--and that's a national disgrace. People are so easy to con. Like Bunk says, the bigger the lie, the more they believe.
But Dexter is only a little white lie--and will soon be forgotten.
Not Even Oscar Can Put a Dent in FOX Dominance After 25 Days of the 2008 February Sweep:
After 25 days of the February Sweep, ABC got a less-than-expected bump from its Oscar Award coverage, but FOX did quite nicely with its rain-delayed NAScar coverage in direct competition. As a result, FOX continued on its way towards a record-breaking first place across all key measures in the February Sweep.
The truth is i was always surprised by the fact that the Oscars do so well. I've always found the award showa to be painfully boring. As i said i would prefer every award show to be like this year's Golden Globes. Just announce the winners: no stupid speeches, no commercial breaks every 5 minutes, no bad presenters, no stupid "jokes" etc.
I was with you until you said it should be more like the Golden Globes. The ratings for which are not exactly booming either, you might note.
The Oscars got a ton of promotion in the strike resolution press. If you knew the strike was over, you knew the Oscars were coming.
ABC cannot be happy despite what they will spin. Fox was a mess last nightwith the scheduling and delay of that race, but still did well considering. ABC touting their horn by beating that will be.
BB9 had higher demo numbers than Dexter and on the East Coast, it also was up against the Oscars. So not sure how BB9 can be considered so bad that it should be "abbreviated" and Dexter as "decent".
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Originally posted by Ratings Junkee: Bad numbers for BB9. If they were smart, they would abbreviate this season as not to ruin future installments. Decent numbers for Dexter against the Oscars.
