Originally posted by mushu_jj: Fox: After a few weeks of decent retention, K-Ville fell off the cliff last night. I'd say the end could be near if it weren't for the strike. Prison Break remains stable.
Any previous notion that FOX would go out of its way to save K-Ville was destroyed last night.
Should be interesting to see how WelcomToK-Ville spins this later tonight.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Has anyone heard of any "Drop Dead Date" for the writers strike, that will cnacell the rest of the season?
If production of shows could start back up in early March, would the nets still ask for new episodes for the last 7 weeks of the season?
What about an earli April Production restart?
NBC had a lot of success with live episodes of ER, West Wing, Will&Grace, Friends(?), Seinfeld(?). Wouldn't it be a hoot if May sweeps was full of live episodes of all the 'normal' shows?
Originally posted by robert: BBT might be the most watched new sitcom in a couple of weeks. I see both BBT and Samanta who at around 10 million in a couple of weeks
Sure, they will both pull 10 million viewers in reruns.
Why in reruns? On the 26th new episodes are listed
Zap2it has a rerun listed for Big Bang Theory on that night. It also has DWTS listed that night. Of course, they also have an ad on the front page for tonight's episode of Singing Bee, so who knows if they have the listing correct.
In any case, I agree that Samantha Who? will drop AFTER DWtS is off the air. I'm not sure it will drop by 4+million viewers, though. It has defied the odds so far and has the same demo retention as RoE, so I think that it will hang on better than some here expect when DWtS ends.
Big Bang Theory will continue to show slow growth, but 10million before reruns is an iffy proposition and 10million after reruns is even more iffy. Hopefully, people will use the BBT reruns as an opportunity to check out Aliens in America.
Well sorry about that. I thought DWTS ends next week. I don't follow the show. Anyway clearly i was talking about the first time SW and BBT will go head to head without DWTS as a lead-in
I personally think way too much emphasis is put on a show's lead in with regards to its success or its failure. I mean, maybe its just me, but if I'm not just going to automatically watch a show that follows up another show that I watch. If I watch a show, I watch it because it seems interesting and if I don't watch a show, its because I think it won't be interesting ... not because I watched the show before it. If I watch a show and nothing else interesting is on after it, I either turn the channel or turn off the tv. I'm not going to watch a tv show I'm not interested in just for the sake of having something to watch.
Any traction that Big Bang Theory had will be killed by the prolonged strike. Now the networks say "no settlement likely before the new year." That doesn't mean a settlement will happen on January 2. It means the networks will continue to try and break the union solidarity for months. If nothing happens by June, they'll settle rather than face a strike by the writers and actors guild.
Every new show will lose traction. BBT will. Pushing Daisies will. Moonlight will. Samantha Who will. Reaper will--though Reaper never had any traction. It's all going to go to crap.
Originally posted by Shannon: I personally think way too much emphasis is put on a show's lead in with regards to its success or its failure. I mean, maybe its just me, but if I'm not just going to automatically watch a show that follows up another show that I watch. If I watch a show, I watch it because it seems interesting and if I don't watch a show, its because I think it won't be interesting ... not because I watched the show before it. If I watch a show and nothing else interesting is on after it, I either turn the channel or turn off the tv. I'm not going to watch a tv show I'm not interested in just for the sake of having something to watch.
Well, you could have a point, but how do you explain the terrible ratings for a show like Life is Wild?
samantha who retained 64%, better then most but not nearly as solid as rules which held a much greater percentage of its lead-in...and christines retention was usually in the low 70s...I agree with you on HIMYM
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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
ABC: Pretty solid all around. The Bachelor could do better, but it'll pull those numbers regardless of the lead in.
CBS: Big Bang and 2.5 Men remain the standouts with modest retention for Rules out of 2.5 Men. HIMYM remains an overrated lead in for the night. CBS could do much better.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Should be interesting to see how WelcomToK-Ville spins this later tonight.
He will probably explain how Friday would be totally different and K-Ville would work/grow there. Then he will explain how K-Ville is still doing better than the CW shows so they should really be the ones getting cancelled. Finally, he will point out that FOX could port K-Ville over to MNTV and have the network's biggest hit because the fanbase would surely follow.
Of course House will be over (or at least around) 30 million for that ep. I don't know that it will gain much momentum given the limited supply of eps.
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Originally posted by Luke: Fox has the Superbowl. That's right.
Do you guys think the superbowl will raise House's ratings even more?
Samantha Who had a much larger audience to retain...and given ABC's track record on single camera comedies, it has to be considered a success at this point.
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Originally posted by gdfriends: where do you get your facts from??
samantha who retained 64%, better then most but not nearly as solid as rules which held a much greater percentage of its lead-in...and christines retention was usually in the low 70s...I agree with you on HIMYM
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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
ABC: Pretty solid all around. The Bachelor could do better, but it'll pull those numbers regardless of the lead in.
CBS: Big Bang and 2.5 Men remain the standouts with modest retention for Rules out of 2.5 Men. HIMYM remains an overrated lead in for the night. CBS could do much better.
Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: Pushing Daisies, while not a flat-out procedural, is a very case-by-case show that you can get into as long as you know the basic concept of how the pie maker's power works and what he does with it.
Private Practice is basically in the same situation. It may not be a procedural, but each week's episode is basically a stand alone episode.
ABC Maintains Lead in A18-49 After 12 Days of the 2007 November Sweep:
After the first 12 days of the November Sweep, ABC continues to maintain the lead in the young adult demo with a first place 3.7 A18-49 average. CBS is a close second with an average 3.5 in A18-49, while NBC has asserted its hold on third place with a 3.2 average in A18-49. FOX is close behind the Peacock with a 3.0 A18-49 average, and The CW remains mired in fifth with a 1.1 in A18-49 with MyNetworkTV bringing up the rear with its 0.4 in A18-49.
On a year-over-year basis, FOX and MyNetworkTV are the only networks showing year-over-year improvement. CBS and ABC are mostly down in the single digit percentage range, while NBC and The CW continue to post significant double-digit year-over-year losses of young adult demo, households and viewers.
nights nights
demo demo demo % won won
Rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 ABC 3.73 4.07 -8% 6 4
2 CBS 3.48 3.82 -9% 4 4
3 NBC 3.17 4.08 -22% 2 3
4 FOX 3.04 2.69 13% 2 1
5 CW 1.13 1.44 -21%
6 MNT* 0.40 0.36 10%
total 14.95 16.46 -9% 14 12
nights nights
HH HH HH HH won won
rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 CBS 7.7 8.3 -7% 7 7
2 ABC 7.6 7.5 1% 3 3
3 NBC 5.3 7.1 -26% 1 2
4 FOX 4.6 4.3 7% 1
5 CW 1.9 2.2 -17%
6 MNT* 0.7 0.7 5%
total 27.7 30.1 -8% 12 12
nights nights
viewers viewers viewers viewers won won
rank web 2007 2006 chg 2007 2006
1 CBS 12.106 12.872 -6% 6 7
2 ABC 11.578 11.542 0% 5 4
3 NBC 8.283 11.029 -25% 1
4 FOX 7.587 6.590 15% 1
5 CW 2.865 3.475 -18%
6 MNT* 1.007 0.898 12%
total 43.43 46.41 -6% 12 12
* first 9 nights only
First nine nights of 2007 are final Nielsen Media numbers as provided by TravisYanan and pavanbadal together with three nights of FAST nationals provided by Marc Berman.
Originally posted by tvfan300: Of course House will be over (or at least around) 30 million for that ep. I don't know that it will gain much momentum given the limited supply of eps.
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Originally posted by Luke: Fox has the Superbowl. That's right.
Do you guys think the superbowl will raise House's ratings even more?
I'm not saying in the actual Superbowl's night. But in a long-term basis.
Originally posted by Shannon: I personally think way too much emphasis is put on a show's lead in with regards to its success or its failure. I mean, maybe its just me, but if I'm not just going to automatically watch a show that follows up another show that I watch. If I watch a show, I watch it because it seems interesting and if I don't watch a show, its because I think it won't be interesting ... not because I watched the show before it. If I watch a show and nothing else interesting is on after it, I either turn the channel or turn off the tv. I'm not going to watch a tv show I'm not interested in just for the sake of having something to watch.
TV has far too much proof to ignore the value of lead-in. You claim that you only watch a show if it is interresting, but how do you know what looks interesting? Likely, you are watching a show on the network and the promo for the next show to air comes on to tempt you. Meanwhile, you don't see the promo for the show on the other network, so it isn't there to tempt your interest. Like it or not, lead-in clearly makes a difference. 'Hard core' fans will exercise the channel changer, but the 'regular' TV viewer is easily tempted to stay on a network once they tune in. That fact is the single biggest uphill battle for fledgling CW.
That may not be a bad idea. I remember ROC did a whole season LIVE, but those were a lot better actors than some of the current shows have.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Has anyone heard of any "Drop Dead Date" for the writers strike, that will cnacell the rest of the season?
If production of shows could start back up in early March, would the nets still ask for new episodes for the last 7 weeks of the season?
What about an earli April Production restart?
NBC had a lot of success with live episodes of ER, West Wing, Will&Grace, Friends(?), Seinfeld(?). Wouldn't it be a hoot if May sweeps was full of live episodes of all the 'normal' shows?
It means the networks will continue to try and break the union solidarity for months. If nothing happens by June, they'll settle rather than face a strike by the writers and actors guild. 
