Originally posted by jamhexxx: How were Smallville premier numbers compared to the numbers the CW received last year on Friday?
Smallville was down nearly 2 million in viewers and .4 in the adult 18-49 from the final episode of the WWE on the CW.
I'm so glad you posted this. I didn't know what to think when Marc Berman posted that press release from the CW with totally different numbers.
I was trying to figure out what I had done wrong and why the numbers I found on here weren't matching up to the numbers the CW gave. At least now I know if I am making a mistake reading the numbers from here, I'm not the only one.
Is the CW getting their figures from another ratings system?
If they were closer, then I would figure finals went up or down, but
Marc for 9/26/08 said : "and the first hour of the CW’s soon-to-relocate Friday Night Smackdown! (Viewers: #5, #5, 4.21 million; A18-49: #3t, 1.4/ 5). Overall, Smackdown! averaged a very typical 4.41 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 in the demo from 8-10 p.m"
4.21 million A18-49 1.4/5 is no where close to the 2.5 million viewers A18-49 1.0 in the CW's press release for the same date (Smackdown's last episode on the CW.) That seems too big a difference for it to be finals unless Smackdown was preempted for sports games in a lot of different cities and it wasn't reported.
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Originally posted by SueP: I believe Smallville and Supernatural were impacted negatively by the absence of the others casual viewers that just didn't stick. I know I watched Smallville most weeks waiting for SPN, but didn't tune in last night. I'm sure there are more viewers like that and vice versa. Too bad the CW screwed with that demo. TVD's tween girl audience just doesn't cross over to SPN and SMVL doesn't have any support of Fridays. Too bad, but this is what I thought would happen when the schedule change was announced. Luckily both shows will get their year runs and be able to finish up in a way to satisfy the long time fans.
I hope you're right about both shows ending this year with a proper series finale. If they aired together for those episodes it would be nice.
The CW didn't start their own programming on Friday until October. Thus the year to year comparison has to be with the last episode of WWE, but of course the CW will spin it with comparisons to their own weaker programs that happened the following week.
ANd yes the CW really really needs to do something about it.
Originally posted by jamhexxx: How were Smallville premier numbers compared to the numbers the CW received last year on Friday?
Smallville was down nearly 2 million in viewers and .4 in the adult 18-49 from the final episode of the WWE on the CW.
One week Later the Game and Everybody hates Chris started. WIth viewer totals of 1.952 and 2.108 respectively. And both with .8 in adult demos.
So if Smallville can hold its performance next week it will be up over the previous year (though normally Smallville opens large and then drops a nice bit).
But Smallville is probably the CW most expensive show, it has to perform to higher standards.
I think the CW really needs to move it back somewhere on the Monday -Thursday platform.
I would see how the repeat of MP does this week on Wednesday and how much further its Tuesday performance drops. And then put Smallville in which ever slot seems better of those two. And I would do it very soon.
I think The CW, and maybe all the networks, should move reality shows to Fridays. They're the cheapest shows to make, and it wouldn't matter too much if they didn't explode in the ratings because of that very fact. They could have a consistently low to middling rating on Friday nights, and that would be fine. It would offer more of those prime slots (like Wednesdays) for more expensive shows that need to live in the Monday through Thursday part of the week. Like Smallville.
Here's what I think CW should do:
Monday: One Tree Hill and Gossip Girl Tuesday: 90210 and Melrose Place (at least until it gets canceled; then who knows what could go here—maybe encores of something!) Wednesday: Smallville and maybe Life UnXpected (in midseason, but encores of Vampire Diaries for now) Thursday: The Vampire Diaries and Supernatural Friday: Top Model and any reality crap they're going to air in midseason
At least, this is what they should have done from the start of the season. Scratch that: they should have had Smallville and Supernatural together and put the VD encores and Life UnXpected together.
Or something. Argh! I hate the ratings system!
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Originally posted by jamhexxx: How were Smallville premier numbers compared to the numbers the CW received last year on Friday?
Smallville was down nearly 2 million in viewers and .4 in the adult 18-49 from the final episode of the WWE on the CW.
I'm so glad you posted this. I didn't know what to think when Marc Berman posted that press release from the CW with totally different numbers.
I was trying to figure out what I had done wrong and why the numbers I found on here weren't matching up to the numbers the CW gave. At least now I know if I am making a mistake reading the numbers from here, I'm not the only one.
Don't forget that Everybody Hates Chris and The Game aired in the Friday 8 p.m. hour last season.
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Originally posted by juniormint:
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: This just in from The CW:
The premiere of SMALLVILLE scored our best performance in the Friday 8pm hour among adults 18-34 (1.0/4-tie), adults 18-49 (1.0/4) and total viewers (2.5mil) in a year (Sept. 26 2008 - Smackdown).
Where are the CW getting those numbers?
I just looked up the Smackdown's numbers here at pifeedback.com and they are nothing like those figures.
Whose numbers are wrong? Why is there such a big difference?
Or did I do something wrong. This is what I thought Marc said for 9.26/08 for Friday Night Smackdown on the CW
"and the first hour of the CW’s soon-to-relocate Friday Night Smackdown! (Viewers: #5, #5, 4.21 million; A18-49: #3t, 1.4/ 5). Overall, Smackdown! averaged a very typical 4.41 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 in the demo from 8-10 p.m"
Originally posted by Marc Berman: This just in from The CW:
The premiere of SMALLVILLE scored our best performance in the Friday 8pm hour among adults 18-34 (1.0/4-tie), adults 18-49 (1.0/4) and total viewers (2.5mil) in a year (Sept. 26 2008 - Smackdown).
Aha, so they got rid of Smackdown because it didn't fit their W18-34 plan and now they are happy that they are getting its numbers again. Okay.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: This just in from The CW:
The premiere of SMALLVILLE scored our best performance in the Friday 8pm hour among adults 18-34 (1.0/4-tie), adults 18-49 (1.0/4) and total viewers (2.5mil) in a year (Sept. 26 2008 - Smackdown).
Where are the CW getting those numbers?
I just looked up the Smackdown's numbers here at pifeedback.com and they are nothing like those figures.
Whose numbers are wrong? Why is there such a big difference?
Or did I do something wrong. This is what I thought Marc said for 9.26/08 for Friday Night Smackdown on the CW
"and the first hour of the CW’s soon-to-relocate Friday Night Smackdown! (Viewers: #5, #5, 4.21 million; A18-49: #3t, 1.4/ 5). Overall, Smackdown! averaged a very typical 4.41 million viewers and a 1.4/ 4 in the demo from 8-10 p.m"
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It says the best SINCE last year. It doesn't say the ratings for last night were better, just that they were the highest from now all the way back to that night. That night beats last night. Does that make sense?
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Originally posted by dumont: 'Dollhouse' was brilliant, and I liked the small changes made to the series...the introduction of opening credits, better use of humour, great action sequences.
Dollhouse has always had an opening credits. LOL.
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Do you happen to know if Friday viewer for viewer generates less ad revenue then either Tuesday or Wednesday (we know that Thursdays are more appealing to advertisers).
Because that is the only way keeping Smallville on Friday makes any sense at all.
Now for everyone playing lets change the CW schedule, we have to look at two solid issues.
The CW's female driven shows would get killed by Grey's. Besides Springs American Idol it is one of the strongest female driven shows on network tv (across all age groups). And unlike Tuesdays or Wednesday were you can at least build half a season before getting hit by Idol, Grey's runs all year round.
Glee on Wednesday at 9pm is also making a killing in women , and especially the 18-34 females.
That leaves year round to solid places that the CW coveted demo is going to fail. And fail hard.
So the question is what do you do?
Do you move VD which is doing better then Smallville last year in adults 18-34 (and certainly in the female demos)? I wouldn't because Smallville has been consistently dropping in that period and I think Flash Forward would hurt Smallville more then VD.
Do you move Smallville into Supernatural's spot? Both sort of can feed of VD,and like Supernatural before Smallville did its best when paired with Gilmore Girls, years and years ago.
Do you move it to Wednesday at 9? Lead in is not compatable, but they don't have a place to move Top Model to so one is going to hurt.
Do you move it to Tuesday and move either 90210 or MP to Wednesday? Again either is going to risk having loses.
If the CW doesn't fold, I think OTH will be renewed, as long as Sophia Bush is on board. But I think the CW will either renew SPN or SV, i'd like for both to end, but what will the CW do with the timeslots? Every year, the CW can only create one show that does well. At least SV and SPN are somewhat reliable.
If it comes down to renewing SV or SPN, I think that the CW will go with SPN. No, not because of my wishing so but both Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki are contracted for one more year, whereas with Tom Welling, I'm not sure - is he? I also bet that SV is much more expensive to produce with the licensing fees they have to pay for using the Superman franchise.
Originally posted by juniormint: 4.21 million A18-49 1.4/5 is no where close to the 2.5 million viewers A18-49 1.0 in the CW's press release for the same date (Smackdown's last episode on the CW.) That seems too big a difference for it to be finals unless Smackdown was preempted for sports games in a lot of different cities and it wasn't reported.
You misunderstood the press release. All the numbers are correct. After that Friday last year with 4.21 million, etc. for Smackdown, there has been nothing remotely that high UNTIL now, and it wasn't even very high. LOL. Basically, Smallville's premier gave CW the highest ratings it has had in that timeslot SINCE the final episode of Smackdown, which was much higher.
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Originally posted by curious: If it comes down to renewing SV or SPN, I think that the CW will go with SPN. No, not because of my wishing so but both Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalecki are contracted for one more year, whereas with Tom Welling, I'm not sure - is he? I also bet that SV is much more expensive to produce with the licensing fees they have to pay for using the Superman franchise.
Tom Welling is, I believe, the only actor to have a contract for season 10, but yes, it does exist.
As for Supernatural, I don't think that's right. I remember seeing somewhere that Eric Kripke was only on for 5 seasons, and I thought Jared and Jensen had the same thing.
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