Originally posted by ray: l still think that FNL should go to the cw and pair up with the loser of the decision to save either reaper or supernatural
Why do people continually try and say it is either Reaper or Supernatural? Both will be kept if possible. It is not a competition. And those who think that it is simply because they are trying out Reaper in Supernatural's Thursday spot is a little off their rocker. Please stop the CW on CW hate.
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I absolutely love FNL. Though its ratings do suck, I hope NBC renews it for next season. It is such a great show. I wish more people would give it a chance.
Robert is completely wrong, even though I think that moonlight is crap, demos are much important to advertisers than total viewers, like if we compare a show with 10 million viewers and only 3 in demos versus 8 million viewers with 4 in demo, the second show with the 4 in demos would be priced higher for every 30 second spot of advertising
Originally posted by Devilz_0: Robert is completely wrong, even though I think that moonlight is crap, demos are much important to advertisers than total viewers, like if we compare a show with 10 million viewers and only 3 in demos versus 8 million viewers with 4 in demo, the second show with the 4 in demos would be priced higher for every 30 second spot of advertising
And where am i wrong? That's what i said, for shows that ar doing so-so demos are more important, for a powerhouse show the demos don't count that much And once again i must say i'm not an advertiser so i care even less about the demos
Originally posted by Pam: Great viewership numbers for Moonlight but it still needs better demos but I'm still hopeful it's going to be sticking around and a renewal !!!
If the strike doesn't end Moonlight will be renwed despite of the fact that it's bringing CBS's lineup down
Lets not forget that this IS a freshman series. You can't expect it to do as well as the veteran series that surround it. ONLY droping a 1.5 million viewers and 0.5 in the demo is not to bad.
You know, if Dexter does well during the Sunday run, I wonder if CBS would think about a Sunday Lineup that finishes with Dexter and Monlight at (9pm & 10pm), or other similar type of programs.
Yep Moonlight is doing good on fridays after GW.
But CBS isn't continue airing DEXTER its a showtime cable show and thats its home. It belongs on cable with its violence,nudity and faul language. So how can you sugest that Dexter should air on sundays on CBS?
Originally posted by Pam: Great viewership numbers for Moonlight but it still needs better demos but I'm still hopeful it's going to be sticking around and a renewal !!!
If the strike doesn't end Moonlight will be renwed despite of the fact that it's bringing CBS's lineup down
Lets not forget that this IS a freshman series. You can't expect it to do as well as the veteran series that surround it. ONLY droping a 1.5 million viewers and 0.5 in the demo is not to bad.
You know, if Dexter does well during the Sunday run, I wonder if CBS would think about a Sunday Lineup that finishes with Dexter and Monlight at (9pm & 10pm), or other similar type of programs.
Yep Moonlight is doing good on fridays after GW.
But CBS isn't continue airing DEXTER its a showtime cable show and thats its home. It belongs on cable with its violence,nudity and faul language. So how can you sugest that Dexter should air on sundays on CBS?
Well CBS is already doing this so what's the problem? If it airs now why it cannot air next season?
Originally posted by robert: It may seem i have something agains Moonlight but that's tottally false. I'm often accused of being too CBS supportive so why should i have something against this show. I have nothing against Moonlight being renwed. I know it's hard when you like a show to be objective but i don't think it's correct to say something like "Mick/Beth are one of the most ( if not the most ) talked about TV twosomes". I'm a person very interested in television, i read a lot of articles about television and i cannot understand how you can say something like that. Who are these two? I mean for a long period of time i didn't watch GA but following the media i knew a lot about Meredith/Derek or Cristina/ Preston.I don't know nothing about Mick/ Beth. Where are they talked about?
let me just clear something up about "moonlight" since this is the "great debate" today.
C2H got a lot of viewers, but weak demos...cancelled judging amy got a lot of viewers but weak demos...cancelled the guardian got a lot of viewers but weak demos...cancelled 60 min II got a lot of viewers, but weak demos...cancelled
notice a pattern? a lot of viewers means squat nowadays, its demos that drive a show...especially if a shows viewers are mostly within the 18-49 demo
the office gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit heroes gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit ANTM gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit
notice a pattern? high demos gets you renewed and buzz
C2H's average viewer was near 60, moonlights average viewer is under 50 and in the preferred demo range.
does moonlight have buzz?? i'd say yes it has some...why? b/c cbs is not known for its advertising capabilities...in fact they suck, but this show gets attention...
finally, when moonlight and WMC get renewed next year, please see the ad rates for both shows...i bet moonlight ad rates will be (at least) 50% higher then WMC's rates.
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Originally posted by robert: Again disappointing numbers everywhere. Not even a show breaking 10 million. I know the HUT level is lower but still, depressing numbers.
CBS is vulnerable on Fridays bit it's still winning beacause the other networks are afraid to throw strong counter programming.
For example the following ABC lineup: Eli Stone, WMC, Boston Legal would put CBS in difficulty
What makes you think that Eli Stone would beat GW? Also, Moonlight has been up against WMC most of the season and has beaten WMC most of the season in the demo at least. As for BL, it might indeed hurt Numb3rs but it is way to expensive of a drama to put on Fridays, IMHO.
WMC has beaten Moonlight not the other way around, BL would be neck in neck with Numbers, and Eli Stone might be a good challenger for GW.
And BL would pull pretty much the same numbers on Fridays as it does now especially since it's an old skewing show
I'm not sure it would do the same numbers on a Friday as it does on Tuesdays, but it would make ABC stronger on the night.
BL, which started strong this season, lost a lot of steam once it lost DWtS as its lead in, so I would not assume viewers are going to naturally move with it to fridays.
BL would still get 9-10 million on fridays. I think BL is one of the shows with a consitent fanbase.
this is your opinion...you have no facts that would say bl would retain all or most of its demos/viewers for the night...
most shows (less the huge ones) slip when they move to new nights....l&o:svu actually lost viewers/demos when it moved from fridays to tuesdays...imo, bl would fall and be cancelled by the end of the season if it went up against numb3rs & las vegas.
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Originally posted by Devilz_0: Robert is completely wrong, even though I think that moonlight is crap, demos are much important to advertisers than total viewers, like if we compare a show with 10 million viewers and only 3 in demos versus 8 million viewers with 4 in demo, the second show with the 4 in demos would be priced higher for every 30 second spot of advertising
And where am i wrong? That's what i said, for shows that ar doing so-so demos are more important, for a powerhouse show the demos don't count that much And once again i must say i'm not an advertiser so i care even less about the demos
you are dead wrong and devil is right...and you dont agree (reread his statement)...demos count the most period...a show doing so-so demos may be cancelled, but a powerhouse show needs strong demos or its not a powerhouse show...
example, ncis gets bad demos for the size of its audience but since its adversary is idol the network justifies that it does well due to the onslaught from the competition...idol gets over 10 demo ratings....its ad rates are 100s of thousands (yes 100s) above the nearest competition...why? demos. that show is a powerhouse in ratings/demos/viewers...ncis is a powerhouse in ratings/viewers but not demos hence the much less ad rates (probably 25% of idols rates)
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Originally posted by Devilz_0: Robert is completely wrong, even though I think that moonlight is crap, demos are much important to advertisers than total viewers, like if we compare a show with 10 million viewers and only 3 in demos versus 8 million viewers with 4 in demo, the second show with the 4 in demos would be priced higher for every 30 second spot of advertising
And where am i wrong? That's what i said, for shows that ar doing so-so demos are more important, for a powerhouse show the demos don't count that much And once again i must say i'm not an advertiser so i care even less about the demos
you are dead wrong and devil is right...and you dont agree (reread his statement)...demos count the most period...a show doing so-so demos may be cancelled, but a powerhouse show needs strong demos or its not a powerhouse show...
example, ncis gets bad demos for the size of its audience but since its adversary is idol the network justifies that it does well due to the onslaught from the competition...idol gets over 10 demo ratings....its ad rates are 100s of thousands (yes 100s) above the nearest competition...why? demos. that show is a powerhouse in ratings/demos/viewers...ncis is a powerhouse in ratings/viewers but not demos hence the much less ad rates (probably 25% of idols rates)
Oh wait! Was NCIS canceled and i didn't find out? You wanted to show how wrong i am and in fact you show how right i am. Thank you
Originally posted by robert: It may seem i have something agains Moonlight but that's tottally false. I'm often accused of being too CBS supportive so why should i have something against this show. I have nothing against Moonlight being renwed. I know it's hard when you like a show to be objective but i don't think it's correct to say something like "Mick/Beth are one of the most ( if not the most ) talked about TV twosomes". I'm a person very interested in television, i read a lot of articles about television and i cannot understand how you can say something like that. Who are these two? I mean for a long period of time i didn't watch GA but following the media i knew a lot about Meredith/Derek or Cristina/ Preston.I don't know nothing about Mick/ Beth. Where are they talked about?
let me just clear something up about "moonlight" since this is the "great debate" today.
C2H got a lot of viewers, but weak demos...cancelled judging amy got a lot of viewers but weak demos...cancelled the guardian got a lot of viewers but weak demos...cancelled 60 min II got a lot of viewers, but weak demos...cancelled
notice a pattern? a lot of viewers means squat nowadays, its demos that drive a show...especially if a shows viewers are mostly within the 18-49 demo
the office gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit heroes gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit ANTM gets few viewers but most are 18-49 demos...considered a hit
notice a pattern? high demos gets you renewed and buzz
C2H's average viewer was near 60, moonlights average viewer is under 50 and in the preferred demo range.
does moonlight have buzz?? i'd say yes it has some...why? b/c cbs is not known for its advertising capabilities...in fact they suck, but this show gets attention...
finally, when moonlight and WMC get renewed next year, please see the ad rates for both shows...i bet moonlight ad rates will be (at least) 50% higher then WMC's rates.
The Office is a hit? You must be kidding. The Office it's still on air beacause NBC is doing horribly. Ten years ago with those numbers The Office would've been history.
And about all those examples C2H, JA etc. Well i wouldn't say C2H with 9-10 million got "a lot of viewers". And back in its days the viewing numbers for JA were not that great also. If C2H would've been watched by 15 million viewers it wouldn't have been canceled no matter how bad the demo numbers were
And please, i asked that yesterday and i see no one responded me, at least you can explain me where is this buzz for Moonlight?
