Originally posted by spotupj: Half-hours on L&O, Marc? Thanks!
I like the cast changes so far on the Mothership, and already the show seems a little grittier and old school than in the last couple, sensationalized seasons. Will be interesting to see what happens when CSI:NY is original next week.
I has problems with Jeremy Sisto staring at everything and the new ADA Linus Roache appearing to have a PDA that spits out the right info at just the right time.
Plus they're not using the old school teaser. Two guys running in a park, complaining about their kid's tuition when "Oh My God!" they see a body.
And McCoy's kind of a pushover in the DA spot. If an ADA went "Well, this isn't your proscecution" to Diane Weist, she'd tear him a new one.
But, I loved seeing Brad Dourf as Dr. Death in his scenes.
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Posts: 516 | Location: Seattle | Registered: 16 March 2007
Power of 10 didn't do so well at the end of its summer run, either. It got a good boost from the Big Brother-crossover episode, but I think it was getting upper 1 demo numbers at the end of its run.
No big surprises, for me really. Demo strength in ABC's reality a bit more powerful than I would have thought. But never underestimate how well family shows can do in an age when it's rare to find it on network television.
Posts: 1543 | Location: NY | Registered: 17 November 2006
Please explain what you mean when you claim that L&O skewed older this year. If L&O had 50 million viewers and a 4.0 18-49 rating would you deem it even worse?
There are approximately 131,050,000 Adults 18-49 in the U.S. (according to The Futon Critic and Variety), and the demo ratings represent the percentage of that number that was watching the show.
Law & Order (last year): 11.07 million with a 3.6 demo Law & Order (this year): 13.44 million with a 3.8 demo
So, if you multiply the demo number (in a percent form ex. 3.8 = .038) by the number of Adults 18-49 you get:
4.72 million Adults 18-49 (last year) 4.98 million Adults 18-49 (this year)
So, it grew by 2.37 million total viewers but only about 260,000, or so, in the demo.
If L&O had 50 million viewers and a 4.0 in the demo, that would be pretty horrendous.
Don't get me wrong. It's a fine result especially given NBC's current fortunes.
Posts: 1487 | Location: Brookline, MA | Registered: 25 September 2006
Originally posted by dumont: A superb demo performance for ABC...at last a night of the week where the Alphabet does not trail poorly.
And a nice return for Law & Order. And nice to see Gossip Girl grow out of Crowned too.
CBS has reason to be very, very concerned as over the past few nights, its vaunted encores (NCIS excepted) are not showing any demo strength when programmed against originals.
Does anyone have an overnight number for the preem of "Whacked Out Videos" at 8-9 pm on MyNetworkTV last night?
Yes, as mentioned previously, while NBC, ABC, and FOX stockpiled original content in case of a strike, CBS did nothing because they thought their shows repeat so well. But their crime dramas were already losing steam in the fall with original episodes. CBS will be looking at last place.
CBS's shows generally do repeat very well (not as much in the demo, but in viewers). Since even summer repeats didn't do this poorly, and considering that CBS was up against a major sporting event and a hyped premire of a procedural (both of which would have a lot of overlap audience with the CBS shows), I think these numbers were more of an anomoly than a trend. If CBS's shows continue to repeat this poorly, I'll concede that you have a point, but right now it's just too early to say that.
Originally posted by dumont: A superb demo performance for ABC...at last a night of the week where the Alphabet does not trail poorly.
And a nice return for Law & Order. And nice to see Gossip Girl grow out of Crowned too.
CBS has reason to be very, very concerned as over the past few nights, its vaunted encores (NCIS excepted) are not showing any demo strength when programmed against originals.
Does anyone have an overnight number for the preem of "Whacked Out Videos" at 8-9 pm on MyNetworkTV last night?
Yes, as mentioned previously, while NBC, ABC, and FOX stockpiled original content in case of a strike, CBS did nothing because they thought their shows repeat so well. But their crime dramas were already losing steam in the fall with original episodes. CBS will be looking at last place.
CBS's shows generally do repeat very well (not as much in the demo, but in viewers). Since even summer repeats didn't do this poorly, and considering that CBS was up against a major sporting event and a hyped premire of a procedural (both of which would have a lot of overlap audience with the CBS shows), I think these numbers were more of an anomoly than a trend. If CBS's shows continue to repeat this poorly, I'll concede that you have a point, but right now it's just too early to say that.
I don't really consider last nights football game to be a "major sporting event". It was another of the bowl 30 or more bowl games. Monday's championship game is a major sporting event. If it was a major sporting event NBC would not have debuted Law and Order against it. And I am not sure why people keep referring to last nights Law and Order as hyped. Does this just mean NBC promoted it a lot? After 18 years (or however long it has been on) I don't think that show relies on hype anymore.
CBS shows repeat well in the summer when they are up against other network repeats. Now their repeats will be up against other networks original shows.
I expected Law and Order to debut this well. I think it will hold up nicely back in its original time slot. I am really surprised at how well NBC is doing so far. The Biggest Loser and Law and Order both returned with huge numbers but the return of The Apprentice tonight and Sunday's debut of American Gladiators will really tell us how well NBC will do during the strike. Also, Marc, I know I'm new to the forums but could you put up the half-hour results for Law and Order when you get them. It would really be appreciated.
For one night at least, viewers were more interested in seeing how the late-night shows without writers coped than the programs where writers were working. Jay Leno's "Tonight" show on NBC scored a 5.3 rating and 12 audience share in the nation's 55 largest markets.
Originally posted by dumont: A superb demo performance for ABC...at last a night of the week where the Alphabet does not trail poorly.
And a nice return for Law & Order. And nice to see Gossip Girl grow out of Crowned too.
CBS has reason to be very, very concerned as over the past few nights, its vaunted encores (NCIS excepted) are not showing any demo strength when programmed against originals.
Does anyone have an overnight number for the preem of "Whacked Out Videos" at 8-9 pm on MyNetworkTV last night?
Yes, as mentioned previously, while NBC, ABC, and FOX stockpiled original content in case of a strike, CBS did nothing because they thought their shows repeat so well. But their crime dramas were already losing steam in the fall with original episodes. CBS will be looking at last place.
CBS's shows generally do repeat very well (not as much in the demo, but in viewers). Since even summer repeats didn't do this poorly, and considering that CBS was up against a major sporting event and a hyped premire of a procedural (both of which would have a lot of overlap audience with the CBS shows), I think these numbers were more of an anomoly than a trend. If CBS's shows continue to repeat this poorly, I'll concede that you have a point, but right now it's just too early to say that.
I agree ... people want to draw conclusions after less than one week of the New Year. It seems to me that CBS was doing pretty well compared to the other Nets in December. I acknowledge that CBS is a little thin on original content compared to the other nets, but it not like those other nets (other than FOX) are going to pour out a complete line-up of original content from now through May.
I said it in yesterday's thread that CBS might be behind NBC and ABC through much of February because it is thin on original content. However, when some of that original content starts to dry up, or fail, then I expect ABC and NBC to start to fade fast.
Also, it is not like CBS is out of original content. It still has few scripted shows to premier. Plus there is Survivor and Big Brother (three nights a week). CBS' fortunes, or lack thereof, will probably come down to how well BB does. With the margins between ABC, NBC and CBS so close, if BB fails to bring a good demo this spring then AL might be correct about CBS' fortunes. However, I expect BB to provide CBS with a pretty good (not outstanding) demo.
So in conclusion I guess time will tell. Of course the best news would be that the strike would end in time for us to get original content for all the Nets come May, but I'm just a dreamer.
Originally posted by AL: I don't really consider last nights football game to be a "major sporting event". It was another of the bowl 30 or more bowl games. Monday's championship game is a major sporting event. If it was a major sporting event NBC would not have debuted Law and Order against it. And I am not sure why people keep referring to last nights Law and Order as hyped. Does this just mean NBC promoted it a lot? After 18 years (or however long it has been on) I don't think that show relies on hype anymore.
CBS shows repeat well in the summer when they are up against other network repeats. Now their repeats will be up against other networks original shows.
You must not be a sports fan, because the Fiesta Bowl is a major College Bowl game. Its part of the BCS and had 2 of the top 12 teams playing, with #3 Oklahoma involved.
Is it the Super Bowl.... NO, but it is not "Just another bowl among 30 Bowl games" either.
As for the "HYPE"... all of NBC's shows this week have had major HYPE and L&O is among those shows. The fact that its premiere is 4 months later than usual, did help it, IMO.
CBS will be fine. It will have its bumps in the road, but it will not fall like ABC has done either.
Originally posted by Hawk-eye: Also, it is not like CBS is out of original content. It still has few scripted shows to premier. Plus there is Survivor and Big Brother (three nights a week). CBS' fortunes, or lack thereof, will probably come down to how well BB does. With the margins between ABC, NBC and CBS so close, if BB fails to bring a good demo this spring then AL might be correct about CBS' fortunes. However, I expect BB to provide CBS with a pretty good (not outstanding) demo.
I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement. BB will be the difference for CBS suring the strike. The Dramas will do decent numbers through May, but if BB fails, it will be a long spring. If BB does well or is even a hit, CBS will easily take #2 in viewers & Demo.
Originally posted by WelcomeToK-VilleAmericanGladiators: Interesting. CBS is the most stubborn in not settling the strike and yet they are doing the worst. Does that make sense to anyone?
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Originally posted by vlis: Oh Samcat, come out from wherever you are:
after 3 nites:
viewers 18-49
abc 7.7 2.8
cbs 6.8 1.7
nbc 9.3 3.0
fox 9.1 3.4
They won't hit a 2.5 this week -- no better than 3rd place. This is nothing to crow about.
