Originally posted by Jay: "The Jay Leno Show" should have had better results than this. Leno had Taylor Lautner (star of the "Twilight" and "New Moon" movies) as well as Heather Locklear (of the old and new "Melrose Place").
I was expecting a bump up in the ratings due to Lautner, but if Leno can't even pull in more than 5 million viewers with one of Hollywood's current hottest young stars, then he (and NBC) is really in trouble.
I read an article about Jay Leno and he said that unless the guest is a huge celebrity who rarely does talk shows (ala Obama or Palin) or has a recent newsworthy event (Hugh Grant's scandal) then the ratings really aren't affected by the guest, no matter how big the celebrity or upcoming project to promote.
Most of Lautner's fans have probably seen him on countless other entertainment shows talking about the movie - so why would they need to tune in at 10:20 or so to catch an interview with Jay Leno? And we've seen Locklear's non-effect on MP's ratings.
Originally posted by Jay: "The Jay Leno Show" should have had better results than this. Leno had Taylor Lautner (star of the "Twilight" and "New Moon" movies) as well as Heather Locklear (of the old and new "Melrose Place").
I was expecting a bump up in the ratings due to Lautner, but if Leno can't even pull in more than 5 million viewers with one of Hollywood's current hottest young stars, then he (and NBC) is really in trouble.
I read an article about Jay Leno and he said that unless the guest is a huge celebrity who rarely does talk shows (ala Obama or Palin) or has a recent newsworthy event (Hugh Grant's scandal) then the ratings really aren't affected by the guest, no matter how big the celebrity or upcoming project to promote.
Most of Lautner's fans have probably seen him on countless other entertainment shows talking about the movie - so why would they need to tune in at 10:20 or so to catch an interview with Jay Leno? And we've seen Locklear's non-effect on MP's ratings.
Sounds like Leno is trying to put a positive spin on a not-so-positive result. I don't think that ratings will dramatically change based on the guest, but a small bump - at least over 5 million - should not be out of the question. I wasn't expecting premiere week style numbers, but his show was still the lowest rated NBC series on the night.
Originally posted by Jay: "The Jay Leno Show" should have had better results than this. Leno had Taylor Lautner (star of the "Twilight" and "New Moon" movies) as well as Heather Locklear (of the old and new "Melrose Place").
I was expecting a bump up in the ratings due to Lautner, but if Leno can't even pull in more than 5 million viewers with one of Hollywood's current hottest young stars, then he (and NBC) is really in trouble.
I read an article about Jay Leno and he said that unless the guest is a huge celebrity who rarely does talk shows (ala Obama or Palin) or has a recent newsworthy event (Hugh Grant's scandal) then the ratings really aren't affected by the guest, no matter how big the celebrity or upcoming project to promote.
Most of Lautner's fans have probably seen him on countless other entertainment shows talking about the movie - so why would they need to tune in at 10:20 or so to catch an interview with Jay Leno? And we've seen Locklear's non-effect on MP's ratings.
Sounds like Leno is trying to put a positive spin on a not-so-positive result. I don't think that ratings will dramatically change based on the guest, but a small bump - at least over 5 million - should not be out of the question. I wasn't expecting premiere week style numbers, but his show was still the lowest rated NBC series on the night.
I think any talk show host will tell you that. And this interview was before his show even premiered in the Fall.
Originally posted by trebek: I think any talk show host will tell you that. And this interview was before his show even premiered in the Fall.
I don't really watch talk shows, and least of all Leno. While ratings don't dramatically change due to a guest, there is a reason why these talk shows "fight" over guests.
The lack of interest in Leno despite big name guests just underscores the grievous error NBC made in giving Leno a five night a week primetime talk show.
More specifically, to increase the profile and "legitimacy" of Fishburne's "Ray." So, yes, the ratings of the other CSI's would not expect to be moved, and I think in the end it will end up being nothing more than a fairly successful sweeps event. People got to know Fishburne's guy better but that probably won't translate into ratings.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Again, the crossover's goal was to TRY an increase the regular viewership of the original series. If CSI can do a 3.8 this Thursday, then the crossover event will be a success. If it goes back to its now usual 3.5ish demo, then it did not accomplish its goal and was nothing more than a "Sweeps Event"
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Originally posted by Jonwo: CBS did really well last night but it’s interesting that CSI: Miami held onto 100% of the Big Bang Theory’s viewers but lost 1.3 of the demo but it was only down a tad from the hyped crossover.
Castle is doing well but it will be interesting what the final result as it may be skewed by overrun.
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Castle: steady as the overrun from Dancing will basically end in the same rating as always for the actual program. Very happy to see it stable and very happy to see Pisher having to jump to the personal attacks to try to win arguments. Slowly but surely its eating him alive.
Jay Leno: This show simply needs new writers and a revert back to the old Tonight Show format. Conan certainly isn't following it so there shouldn't be any problems with that. Add new segments to the end of the show to try to keep the fans around. Better yet, just admit that people tune out at the half hour break. Bring back a desk too. Those chairs are painful. What is this? Tavis Smiley?
Castle is doing well but it will be interesting what the final result as it may be skewed by overrun.
I had thought we'd never see anything but finals, but Castle isn't doing well at all, and the drop shows that. It's not just DWTS. People started watching, then tuned out.
By now people have had time to sample and reject Castle. The fact that the 9:30 portion shows its holding the audience its always had means there's a real audience there. Yes it will dip without Dancing for a lead in. Very few shows wouldn't, but it will be fine. Its still safe given how badly ABC's done on other nights so far this season and it will get the Bachelor for a lead in soon, which may bring even more demo viewers to it.
Just the other day I posted that numbers were not great but given ABC's performance in the 10pm hour and after DWTS, its doing alright. It can't be that expensive either so that works in its favor. Remember, this is the network that renews According to Jim and Scubs with sub-2.0 performances. TVBTN doesn't always tell the whole story. They frequently label Friday programs goners too but they squeak by. ABC's averages are very misleading most weeks. Greys, DH, and a few others push the numbers way up and there's very few mid-level performers from that 2.0 to 3.0 range. Then there's the rest and typically that includes several programs.
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Originally posted by pisher: The audience is 'stable' below 2.5 in the demo, with DWTS as the lead-in, and only two other shows to compete with, one of which is Leno.
TVBTN says there's a very good chance of it being canceled with its CURRENT ratings performance.
Just the other day I posted that numbers were not great but given ABC's performance in the 10pm hour and after DWTS, its doing alright.
(The cock crows for the first time)
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It can't be that expensive either so that works in its favor.
Yeah, scripted dramas with big casts are dirt-cheap. That's why NBC is running five hours of Leno a week.
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Remember, this is the network that renews According to Jim and Scubs with sub-2.0 performances.
Both of which were much cheaper than Castle, and had much more syndication potential.
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TVBTN doesn't always tell the whole story.
Mrowr!
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ABC's averages are very misleading most weeks. Greys, DH, and a few others push the numbers way up and there's very few mid-level performers from that 2.0 to 3.0 range. Then there's the rest and typically that includes several programs.
You've done a good job explaining why ABC is doing worse than we think.
But hell, you just have to watch a few minutes of Castle to know that.
Keep bashing pisher but I'll stick to my belief that Castle will make season three. It will be at that point and likely on Tuesday or Friday nights that Castle will have to prove itself. Statistics are against it succeeding and frankly, I'm okay with that. It likely will never reach the status of Housewives or Family Guy for me. I'm with you though that a program is often better to only last a short while than to get dragged out forever. Castle could certainly go a while with the cop aspect of things but I'd just rather see Beckett in some hot poses as she and Castle hook up at the end.
Another part of all of this that makes me happy is ABC's increasingly good nature to let programs end with some dignity. They even gave Pushing Daisies fans a nice wrap up. To me, the end result coming sooner is not such a bad thing.
Keep bashing pisher but I'll stick to my belief that Castle will make season three.
Ah, I see--if it gets renewed twice, having started as midseason replacement, you're vindicated. Well, guess what? Veronica Mars got renewed twice, and ran three full seasons. Oh yeah, I'm still smarting over my failed crusade against that classic hit.
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It will be at that point and likely on Tuesday or Friday nights that Castle will have to prove itself.
Meaning it hasn't yet. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Statistics are against it succeeding and frankly, I'm okay with that.
I know, you only care about it because I hate it. I have that kind of power over you.
