Originally posted by Marc Berman: 8 p.m. My Name is Earl (NBC) Viewers: 6.77 million (#3), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#2)
8:30 p.m. 30 Rock Viewers: 6.42 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)
The positive news for 30 Rock, of course, was growth of 8 percent out of My Name is Earl. But, let’s be honest: this is no big hit. And it never will be.
It's still growth. And another sign of, what I have noted many times before, Earl starting to fail. (EDIT: Wait, what am I thinking, it was getting 13 million in its first season. More like nose diving) 30 Rock may have still been behind in viewers but the retention is getting higher and higher. Who knows what could have happened this time next season? And that's 30 Rock's highest rating since November. Hopefully the new timeslot next week wont hurt it
I don't know if it is really growth if you want to call it that. Earl got a 9 share and 30 Rock got an 8 share. The only reason 30 Rock has a higher demo is simply because more 18-49 year old were watching TV at 8:30 than at 8:00. You can call it growth, but I call it lucky that more viewers were watching.
I'm assuming your opinion would be different if it was the other way around.
Thanks for reminding me. Consider ATJ history. All copies of that show will be destroyed as well so that no one has to be exposed to it in syndication any more either.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: But the real question is how to do solve the big J-I-M problem.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I'm on my way right now. Look for that renewal notice any day now for Eli Stone. I'm also going to make sure the unaired episodes of Caveman are shipped to Dumont's home. (The rest of the copies will be destroyed.) And I've saved the best news for last - look for ABC to resurrect GLo for the fall.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: I'm on my way right now. Look for that renewal notice any day now for Eli Stone. I'm also going to make sure the unaired episodes of Caveman are shipped to Dumont's home. (The rest of the copies will be destroyed.) And I've saved the best news for last - look for ABC to resurrect GLo for the fall.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.
I like the way you're thinking. They better you give an iron-clad contract.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: 8 p.m. My Name is Earl (NBC) Viewers: 6.77 million (#3), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#2)
8:30 p.m. 30 Rock Viewers: 6.42 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)
The positive news for 30 Rock, of course, was growth of 8 percent out of My Name is Earl. But, let’s be honest: this is no big hit. And it never will be.
It's still growth. And another sign of, what I have noted many times before, Earl starting to fail. (EDIT: Wait, what am I thinking, it was getting 13 million in its first season. More like nose diving) 30 Rock may have still been behind in viewers but the retention is getting higher and higher. Who knows what could have happened this time next season? And that's 30 Rock's highest rating since November. Hopefully the new timeslot next week wont hurt it
I don't know if it is really growth if you want to call it that. Earl got a 9 share and 30 Rock got an 8 share. The only reason 30 Rock has a higher demo is simply because more 18-49 year old were watching TV at 8:30 than at 8:00. You can call it growth, but I call it lucky that more viewers were watching.
I'm assuming your opinion would be different if it was the other way around.
Not at all, I am not a huge fan of either show. I watch each of them occassionally.
Originally posted by CaseyM: Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....
Absolutely. Although shows that get good demo numbers are more easily hits. Everyone on those shows you mentioned is a huge star. Can't say that about any CBS shows, as well-rated as they are.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: '30 Rock' & 'Scrubs' to Swap Slots For Rest of Season:
Originally posted by RoyBoyCF: Apparently, if a large percentage of a show's audience is in the 18-49 demo, it's a hit. Which makes sense since it's young people writing and reading major media outlets.
The problem with the word "hit" is that it's totally vague, ambiguous, and subjective.
To some it means giant viewer numbers, in relation to other shows on tv.
To some it means that it gets good demo numbers vs. it's competition.
To some it means having a mix of fairly strong ratings and a good amount of press buzz.
To some it means critical acclaim.
To some it means the amount of ad revenue the show gets.
To some it is a mix of pop culture appeal, ratings, dvd sales, their personal opinion, etc, etc, etc,
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This was probably one of the biggest irks that i have had, was that when i joined this forum, i kept reading that The Office was not a hit.
In my mind, i thought that a) the office brings in a lot of money for NBC, and can get better ad rates than most shows on tv, b)the demo numbers were very good vs. other shows, c) the word-of-mouth, critical acclaim, dvd sales, online viral presence, and press buzz were all very impressive.
To me, this was MORE than enough to call The Office a hit, yet, to some, simply because of one factor, total viewership, they could not bring themselves to call the office a hit.
The problem is that a "hit" means too many things to too many people. And unfortunately no one is really "right."
You simply MUST define context before talking about a show's "hit" status or not.
EDIT: "The Office" is what I call a subtop. In no way is it in the same league as AI, DH, Grey's, CSI and LOST. To me a hit show is defined by a combination of factual numbers such as high total viewership, high demo numbers, dvd sales, international success and not by critical aclaim, buzz and word-of-mouth.
If we're talking about personal hits, then mine include Reaper, October Road, Ugly Betty, the Big Bang Theory, Family Guy, and Boston Legal and no one considers these shows hits yet Family Guy at times pulls very good demos and Ugly Betty pulls as many viewers as the Office.
I just edited my post from earlier because it had alot of mistakes. I hope it makes sense now
Originally posted by CaseyM: Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....
Absolutely. Although shows that get good demo numbers are more easily hits. Everyone on those shows you mentioned is a huge star. Can't say that about any CBS shows, as well-rated as they are.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: '30 Rock' & 'Scrubs' to Swap Slots For Rest of Season:
This "hit/ not a hit" discussion is a non-sense. Everyone clearly has it's own opinion. I personally think that all it matters is the number of viewers, but also here everyone has it's own opinion. A 10 million show it's a hit, or maybe a 5 million one. Everything it's very relative
Not everyone in those three shows are "stars". If you asked the normal person who is on those three shows the only names you would get with any consistency is Matthew Fox, Katherine Heigl, Eva Longoria, and Teri Hatcher.
As for CBS, most of their shows are ensemble pieces. CSI, NCIS, WAT, CC are all teams working together to solve cases and thus one actor or actress doesn't dominate. However, in the acting world, CBS actors and actresses are generally seen as higher quality than ABC thus they tend to get more critical acclaim.
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Originally posted by robert:
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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
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Originally posted by CaseyM: Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....
Absolutely. Although shows that get good demo numbers are more easily hits. Everyone on those shows you mentioned is a huge star. Can't say that about any CBS shows, as well-rated as they are.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: '30 Rock' & 'Scrubs' to Swap Slots For Rest of Season:
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Not everyone in those three shows are "stars". If you asked the normal person who is on those three shows the only names you would get with any consistency is Matthew Fox, Katherine Heigl, Eva Longoria, and Teri Hatcher.
As for CBS, most of their shows are ensemble pieces. CSI, NCIS, WAT, CC are all teams working together to solve cases and thus one actor or actress doesn't dominate. However, in the acting world, CBS actors and actresses are generally seen as higher quality than ABC thus they tend to get more critical acclaim.
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Originally posted by robert:
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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
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Originally posted by CaseyM: Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....
Absolutely. Although shows that get good demo numbers are more easily hits. Everyone on those shows you mentioned is a huge star. Can't say that about any CBS shows, as well-rated as they are.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: '30 Rock' & 'Scrubs' to Swap Slots For Rest of Season:
NBC is out of touch with their audience if they're letting it conflict with Survivor.
Oh well, I'll get by.
Pleas clarify for me: how is everyone on DH, GA or Lost a star and no one on the CBS shows? I don't get it.
Trust me if someone names Heigl or Fox i'm pretty sure many would've heard by now about Pettersen or Caruso. IMO right now there are not big TV "stars", just like the fact that right now there are not big TV hits (the most viewed scripted show gets under 20 million)
I don't really see the critical acclaim for most of CBS' current roster of stars outside of Julia Loius-Dreyfus.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Not everyone in those three shows are "stars". If you asked the normal person who is on those three shows the only names you would get with any consistency is Matthew Fox, Katherine Heigl, Eva Longoria, and Teri Hatcher.
As for CBS, most of their shows are ensemble pieces. CSI, NCIS, WAT, CC are all teams working together to solve cases and thus one actor or actress doesn't dominate. However, in the acting world, CBS actors and actresses are generally seen as higher quality than ABC thus they tend to get more critical acclaim.
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Originally posted by robert:
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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
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Originally posted by CaseyM: Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....
Absolutely. Although shows that get good demo numbers are more easily hits. Everyone on those shows you mentioned is a huge star. Can't say that about any CBS shows, as well-rated as they are.
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Originally posted by TAYLORJNG: '30 Rock' & 'Scrubs' to Swap Slots For Rest of Season:
Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: As for CBS, most of their shows are ensemble pieces. CSI, NCIS, WAT, CC are all teams working together to solve cases and thus one actor or actress doesn't dominate. However, in the acting world, CBS actors and actresses are generally seen as higher quality than ABC thus they tend to get more critical acclaim.
Is CBS getting rid of all of their African American actors?
