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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
8 p.m. My Name is Earl (NBC)
Viewers: 6.77 million (#3), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#2)

8:30 p.m. 30 Rock
Viewers: 6.42 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)

The positive news for 30 Rock, of course, was growth of 8 percent out of My Name is Earl. But, let’s be honest: this is no big hit. And it never will be.

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Originally posted by pisher:
[QUOTE]ES was a new show at first--its ratings have declined. The number of people interested in it has declined. It had bigger lead-ins, then smaller ones. So it has seemed to always get around that much retention, but if it was after Greys' for a whole season, it would be lucky to manage 40% by the end.

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ABC would be betting tens of millions of dollars, you understand.

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PS: Greys still gets 20 million viewers?

And ES would be in the 4-5million viewer range, before the end of those 13 eps..

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For the record, what you have just engaged in is known as a 'correlation'. Look it up.

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Originally posted by CaseyM:

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Originally posted by the128boy:

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
What ?????

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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:
Apparently, if a large percentage of a show's audience is in the 18-49 demo, it's a hit. Which makes sense since it's young people writing and reading major media outlets.

The problem with the word "hit" is that it's totally vague, ambiguous, and subjective.

To some it means giant viewer numbers, in relation to other shows on tv.

To some it means that it gets good demo numbers vs. it's competition.

To some it means having a mix of fairly strong ratings and a good amount of press buzz.

To some it means critical acclaim.

To some it means the amount of ad revenue the show gets.

To some it is a mix of pop culture appeal, ratings, dvd sales, their personal opinion, etc, etc, etc,

!!!!

This was probably one of the biggest irks that i have had, was that when i joined this forum, i kept reading that The Office was not a hit.

In my mind, i thought that a) the office brings in a lot of money for NBC, and can get better ad rates than most shows on tv, b)the demo numbers were very good vs. other shows, c) the word-of-mouth, critical acclaim, dvd sales, online viral presence, and press buzz were all very impressive.

To me, this was MORE than enough to call The Office a hit, yet, to some, simply because of one factor, total viewership, they could not bring themselves to call the office a hit.

The problem is that a "hit" means too many things to too many people. And unfortunately no one is really "right."

You simply MUST define context before talking about a show's "hit" status or not.

Personally, a hit show is a show that is a combination the most elements you mentioned in your post (high viewers, high demo, ad rates, dvd sales, inernational succes, .... And for me "The Office" is a NOT hit compared to DH, Grey's, Lost, AI, ....

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Originally posted by Jamie:

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
8 p.m. My Name is Earl (NBC)
Viewers: 6.77 million (#3), A18-49: 2.6/ 9 (#2)

8:30 p.m. 30 Rock
Viewers: 6.42 million (#3), A18-49: 2.8/ 8 (#2)

The positive news for 30 Rock, of course, was growth of 8 percent out of My Name is Earl. But, let’s be honest: this is no big hit. And it never will be.

It's still growth. And another sign of, what I have noted many times before, Earl starting to fail. (EDIT: Wait, what am I thinking, it was getting 13 million in its first season. More like nose diving) 30 Rock may have still been behind in viewers but the retention is getting higher and higher. Who knows what could have happened this time next season? And that's 30 Rock's highest rating since November. Hopefully the new timeslot next week wont hurt it

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Originally posted by Thrillcat:
I LOVE Eli Stone!!!

PLEASE ABC--- renew the show and give it another chance.

I know all the bigwigs of ABC read this board

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It's ratings have declined? Actually the Thursday broadcasts have been going up. Look it up. Its retention after new episodes has remained consistent. And then there is last night. After a repeat of Lost it saw it's audience increase 135%. Dude...check your numbers.

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Yes, I have a master's degree in Math and am a high school math teacher.

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I think I understand numbers and money. That said, any show is a monetary gamble by ABC. All I am saying is that ABC should be patient.

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I know its a totally different genre and network, but X-Files was not a hit at first.

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Somehow Fox was patient

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And speaking of Grey's. I remember it debuting to about 12 million viewers after Desperate Housewives. About what Brothers and Sisters gets consistenly. Eventually Grey's broke out into a huge hit. It happens sometimes....if networks are patient.

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And ES would be in the 4-5million viewer range, before the end of those 13 eps..

Based on what?

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I am well aware of what 'correlation' means. What you are is 'malapert'. Look it up.

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I LOVE Eli Stone!!!

PLEASE ABC--- renew the show and give it another chance.

I know all the bigwigs of ABC read this board

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Originally posted by TV-aholic:

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Originally posted by the128boy:
Next week, WILL be the true test of wether the office can sustain these record-breaking-season-numbers.

Lets have another one!

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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF:

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Scrubs (Viewers: #3, 7.31 million; A18-49: #1, 3.7/10).

Certainly not a bad demo number. You were right to not label it as a loser.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Thrillcat:
I LOVE Eli Stone!!!

PLEASE ABC--- renew the show and give it another chance.

I know all the bigwigs of ABC read this board

The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.

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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy:
No love for me? Well then, I'll just make my trip over there myself.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:

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Originally posted by Thrillcat:
I LOVE Eli Stone!!!

PLEASE ABC--- renew the show and give it another chance.

I know all the bigwigs of ABC read this board

The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.

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Originally posted by xwiseguyx:
I'm on my way right now. Look for that renewal notice any day now for Eli Stone. I'm also going to make sure the unaired episodes of Caveman are shipped to Dumont's home. (The rest of the copies will be destroyed.) And I've saved the best news for last - look for ABC to resurrect GLo for the fall.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
The chimps are reading? Perhaps they'd be willing to give me an all expenses paid internship to NYC to fix their network for them. Lets bring along TV-fan, TV-aholic, Bruce, and x while we're at it. We'll ship dumont out to Hollywood for some time with Cdub so they can at least go out in low rated fashion.