Why does the "mass appeal hit" qualification have to keep coming up with The Office? Every. Single. Week.
As for ES, the 8.8 million who saw it post-DH saw a much better show than what it was for the first month after Lost, and it got an uptick, but I still don't think the numbers justify renewal. We'll see how much the numbers matter...
Originally posted by spotupj: Why does the "mass appeal hit" qualification have to keep coming up with The Office? Every. Single. Week.
Aaaah, thank you. 100% agree. The Office is already making handfulls of cash for NBC with it's (apparently) "limited appeal"
And for those who havn't noticed that The Office is one of the few series that have *gained* total viewership and demo numbers this season, let me ask? How long will it be before 10 mil viewers is considered a "hit"?
I was hoping for better numbers for ES, the show that managed to surprise even me. It turned out to be one of the best shows this season, and though I know chances are slim, I still hope it will be back in the fall / winter. As for ER - pathetic numbers. I used to watch ER, way back when (1995-2000). Its old age disgraces its youth.
Originally posted by Slop Reilly: I disagree. I think Eli Stone should be back. Is the show a "self-starter"? No, of course not. But not many shows are. Neither for that matter is Brothers and Sisters, Samantha Who?, or countless other shows. What Eli Stone does well is hold on to a pretty decent size of its lead-in, when given a lead-in, as evidenced by last Sunday night after Desperate Housewives, or earlier when Lost was new. It gets a higher percentage of higher income viewers, similar to Friday Night Lights. And on these last few Thursdays without new Lost, it has consistently grown in the hour. Take last night, it grew over 1.5 million viewers and .5 in the demo. Finally it is an ABC in house production, so the costs to ABC are lower.
Besides the show really hit it's creative stride in the last 5 weeks. This has been a wacky season with the writers strike. ABC would be stupid not to bring it back for at least 13 more episodes. If I were them, I would start it in the fall on Thursday after Grey's. Let it run until January when Lost returns. Give it time to mature and grow. Sometimes shows take a while and they turn into big hits.
Remember Grey's was reliant on Desperate Housewives at first. But eventually it became a bigger hit, and now look at it. The problem is networks don't give enough time to grow.
One more thought. Last season ABC first had "Men in Trees" after Grey's and it got decent ratings. Later it was "October Road", which got even better ratings. What did ABC do with both, renew them, but ship them to Friday and Monday respectively where they went on to die. For a change, ABC should stick with a show at 10 PM on Thursdays that gets decent ratings and see if it continues to grow instead of renewing it and moving it to a death slot like Monday at 10.
I say renew Eli Stone and keep it on Thursday, 10 PM.
Well if ABC doesn't have a freshman drama next fall (I still say they have two) then I think this show will be back in the same timeslot. I'd also say BL stays on Tuesday and WMC returns to Fridays or perhaps gets a Monday 10pm tryout with DSM going post-Housewives and Brothers and Sisters going to Wed. 10pm to help out that night. Fridays could then be Jim, Scrubs, a cheap reality hour, and 20/20.
Originally posted by Paul Ketz: Survivor was a great episode; definitely one of the best this season. Could Eliza's mouth have opened any wider?
Kimberley Locke on Don't Forget the Lyrics was GREAT. I don't normally watch this show, but tuned in for her. She was fabulous - very gutsy to go for the $1 million. Sad to see she didn't get it, but it was a very entertaining hour of TV. I wonder why she is isn't a bigger star....
Yeah I watched DFTL for the first time really ever and actually enjoyed it. I may watch the repeats this summer.
Survivor was awesome, LOL. I loved Eliza.
I'm so ready for Betty and Grey's return, I wonder why they didn't this week since they'll each have 1 episode after sweeps.
Originally posted by Marc Berman: Before we get into the results, let’s talk about CBS’ Survivor: Micronesia, which left cocky Ozzie gasping for air (so to speak) when sly Cirie pulled a fast one and managed to get the immunity idol-holding superstar voted out. Personally, I think this was one of the best moments of the 16-season old series.
LOL, I have to agree, although this is only the fifth season I've watched. I just loved seeing that look on Eliza's face.
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The positive news for 30 Rock, of course, was growth of 8 percent out of My Name is Earl. But, let’s be honest: this is no big hit. And it never will be.
Apparently, if a large percentage of a show's audience is in the 18-49 demo, it's a hit. Which makes sense since it's young people writing and reading major media outlets.
Certainly not a bad demo number. You were right to not label it as a loser.
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There is no one to like on The Office. Steve Carell as Michael is completely obnoxious and the employees of Dunder Mifflin leave very little to be desired. Then again, can you really blame them while working in an environment like that?
You have to like a show before you can like the characters, and I never liked the show, so...I have to agree.
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Originally posted by RoyBoyCF: Apparently, if a large percentage of a show's audience is in the 18-49 demo, it's a hit. Which makes sense since it's young people writing and reading major media outlets.
While I do think ABC will ultimately bring Eli Stone back, at least for another limited run, the executive suite at the Alphabet sure has its work cut out for it on deciding which 10 pm hour-longs to keep vs. toss. Indications are that ABC wants to keep two and jettison the rest.
If I had to rank-order the six ABC 10 pm series still sitting on the bubble from best to worst prospects for another season, here's how I figure them as of this morning:
1. Boston Legal 2. Eli Stone 3. Men in Trees 4. Womens Murder Club 5. Big Shots 6. October Road
If Women's Murder Club does well on Tuesdays, it will go up and probably cinch renewal. If Boston Legal dies on Wednesdays, it may jeopardize its renewal decision.
And Men in Trees needs one miracle rating next Wednesday to push it up the list, or convert ABC decision-makers into buying into a third season.
October Road and Big Shots are long shots at best, but both could be shocker renewals (vs. Eli Stone, Big Shots did pretty decent numbers, especially W18-34, at 10 pm on Thursdays).
Originally posted by Marc Berman: But after watching, and loving, last week’s dinner party themed episode, the problem with last night is why the show itself is not a mass appeal hit. There is no one to like on The Office. Steve Carell as Michael is completely obnoxious and the employees of Dunder Mifflin leave very little to be desired. Then again, can you really blame them while working in an environment like that?
I'm not sure there are two more likeable characters on TV than Jim and Pam. Who's more likeable, Jim and Pam or the two and a half men on Two and a Half Men? I'd say Jim and Pam hands down.
Jim and Pam are incredibly likable as well as some of the other supporting characters. My only nitpick with the office sometimes is that they have Michael and Dwight veer too far into unbalanced cartoonish behavior, and last night's episode was a good example. Gervase's (sp?) boss made you cringe too but still see him in a somewhat sympathetic light because of his cluelessness. Carell plays the character well but sometimes it just goes too far and becomes unfunny.
Originally posted by spotupj: Why does the "mass appeal hit" qualification have to keep coming up with The Office? Every. Single. Week.
Aaaah, thank you. 100% agree. The Office is already making handfulls of cash for NBC with it's (apparently) "limited appeal"
And for those who havn't noticed that The Office is one of the few series that have *gained* total viewership and demo numbers this season, let me ask? How long will it be before 10 mil viewers is considered a "hit"?
Sooner rather than later, i think.
Also, Til Death and Back to You get much lower ratings then The Office, yet those shows arent labeled as "they are not mass appeal hits and never will be." And both shows have aired after American Idol!
I bet people were saying the show would never even be successful when it averaged around 5.6 million viewers in its first season... and look at it now....
The only way ES could work is on friday paired with WMC. But strangely ABC wants to cancel WMC altgho it has pretty much the same demo and much bigger viewing numbers than ES. And it doesn't need a lead-in like ES
