Originally posted by uncamark: "Lyrics!" was a first-run show last night, as was "...5th Grader?"
I'm not going to defend either one on a quality basis ("The Singing Bee" is a much better music game show), but they have turned around what was a bad night for Fox *and* they are beating other networks than The CW. Berman's on target this time.
So for the night NBC has two 'Losers' and one 'Should be retired', while Fox has two 'Honorable' and no 'Loser'. Yet NBC finishes at 2.8 demo/ 6.5m and Fox at 2.2 demo/ 7.7m. Something doesn't add up.
And if that's honorable, then 'Life' and 'Bionic Woman' are honorable as well, and PD is the ratings triumph of the century.
The bottom line is that Marc hates NBC, he holds FOX to a lower standard for some unknown reason, he loves CBS, and he is neutral on ABC. When reading his columns and his winners/losers keep this in mind and take everything will make sense.
Originally posted by uncamark: "Lyrics!" was a first-run show last night, as was "...5th Grader?"
I'm not going to defend either one on a quality basis ("The Singing Bee" is a much better music game show), but they have turned around what was a bad night for Fox *and* they are beating other networks than The CW. Berman's on target this time.
So for the night NBC has two 'Losers' and one 'Should be retired', while Fox has two 'Honorable' and no 'Loser'. Yet NBC finishes at 2.8 demo/ 6.5m and Fox at 2.2 demo/ 7.7m. Something doesn't add up.
And if that's honorable, then 'Life' and 'Bionic Woman' are honorable as well, and PD is the ratings triumph of the century.
Sounds like you just have gotten a batch of sour grapes.
Originally posted by xwiseguyx: So even though WAT scored higher in both Viewers and Demo than ER, it should be a loser and ER should get an Honorable Mention... ? Multiple factors go into these ratings and #1 is #1 - even if numbers were down during a month when viewership typically is down.
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Originally posted by Anthony: Marc:
Have to disagree on ER... Although I love WAT compared to ER - the winner and loser here doesn't make sense:
ER grew 67% out of Scrubs in viewers and 25% among adults 18-49.
Without A Trace lost 32% in viewers and 42% in demo from CSI.
And they were almost even (3.0 vs. 3.2) in demo - which is the only thing that matters.
ER would get Honorable Mention and WAT is almost borderline loser with that drop.
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Originally posted by Marc Berman: Unfortunately, the ratings are down significantly year to year for Ugly Betty.
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Originally posted by Robinson Network: Marc why do keep leaving Ugly Betty off the list of winners. For a show to get 10 million going against Survivor is a good thing. UGH! GA was not all that great last night... Last year's special two part in November was better. Its not time to cancel ER... for a show still getting 3.0 in the demo at NBC is a blessing for them...
If you follow the conversation today, people were talking about how last nite's shows hitting season lows. Nobody mentioned shows being down from last December
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: But the statement makes it sound like something that has never happened before. December is always down from the earlier months.
Might as well say the tempeture is a little lower in december, than the previous months, because of the change in weather.
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Originally posted by vlis: the discussion was not about previous Decembers. It was about earlier months this season.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
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Originally posted by vlis: I think December viewing is impacted by holiday shopping and parties.
More than Previous years???
If anything, More people should be watching TV with more people taking advantage of online shopping.
Originally posted by spotupj: Does anybody have any idea what kinds of ratings the NFL Network games get? And was there an NFL Network game this time last year?
This is the second year for the NFL Network carring games.
They only time I have seen ratings for their games was the recent Packers v Cowboys game, which drew 10 million.
I would suspect that since we don't here much about the other games is that the ratings are somehwat low for an NFL presentation.
Originally posted by spotupj: Does anybody have any idea what kinds of ratings the NFL Network games get? And was there an NFL Network game this time last year?
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the game got about 10 million. Which is incredible considering that NFL Netowrk is only in about 40 million homes.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Bones is a usuall 9 million viewer show, that, if not for the strike, may have been able to gropw to 10 million. here is the lates airings for Bones. Over 8 mill for a repat episode this past tuesday.
Yea, FOX still sucks on Fridays, no doubt about that,
Maybe FOX should move Bones to Fridays and solve the problem?
Seriously, though, I don;t think moving Bones will be near the disaster that everyone is predicting.
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As for ANTM vs B2Y and TD, yes, ANTM is beating it in demo, but it has been around for years.
This is a reflection of just how strong ANTM is demo-wise. It is about 25% better than CW's next best show each week.
But its not like its not expected, has not happend before and is not a rare occurence.
Are the ratings down from October & Novemeber? Yes
Is this a suprise? No.
Why? Because its happens every year.
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Originally posted by vlis: If you follow the conversation today, people were talking about how last nite's shows hitting season lows. Nobody mentioned shows being down from last December
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: But the statement makes it sound like something that has never happened before. December is always down from the earlier months.
Might as well say the tempeture is a little lower in december, than the previous months, because of the change in weather.
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Originally posted by vlis: the discussion was not about previous Decembers. It was about earlier months this season.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic:
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Originally posted by vlis: I think December viewing is impacted by holiday shopping and parties.
More than Previous years???
If anything, More people should be watching TV with more people taking advantage of online shopping.
Originally posted by spotupj: Does anybody have any idea what kinds of ratings the NFL Network games get? And was there an NFL Network game this time last year?
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that the game got about 10 million. Which is incredible considering that NFL Network is only in about 40 million homes.
But a large majority of those 40 million homes chose to include it in their cable package. Most cable systems have it on a sports tier, which you have to pay extra for. It not like its the Sci-Fi Channel getting 10 million for a programm
Originally posted by TV-aholic: Bones is a usuall 9 million viewer show, that, if not for the strike, may have been able to gropw to 10 million. here is the lates airings for Bones. Over 8 mill for a repat episode this past tuesday.
Yea, FOX still sucks on Fridays, no doubt about that,
Maybe FOX should move Bones to Fridays and solve the problem?
Seriously, though, I don;t think moving Bones will be near the disaster that everyone is predicting.
I have to agree with that, espcially since WMC has done well on that night. It will take a hit from its normal numbers, but should do better on the night than anything else fox has had there this century.
Grey's is suffering from lack of emotional direction for me right now.
I was very on board with two or three episodes ago, and this "event" two-parter has been good (a bit too busy, if you ask me, but whatever... better than being boring). The season three finale should've ended Meredith and Derek's romance. It was over. Then this season they're in this wishy-washy on/off casual sex relationship? It doesn't work. As much as I can abhor Meredith at times, she is the center of the show, she ties it all together, and for the first three seasons it was her emotional arc that really carried the show. Is it cool that the love is being spread to others? Sure. But with Meredith having such an unclear emotional state, it has become (for me) more difficult to really to care about what's going on in the show. The metaphors fall flat. Without know what the character wants, everything else suffers.
The strongest characters and plots on the show right now are the ones where you know what the character wants. Cristina wants (and it's so palpable) the respect of Dr. Hahn and the education she deserves. And she's facing obstacles. And it pisses her off. But she's struggling with them and I'm right there with her. Bailey is having marriage problems, is trying to balance being a working wife and mother, was dealing with being overlooked for a job she deserved. Lexi's plot is good, though it's sort of been pushed to the sidelines as a mini-Meredith plot. She wants to get to know her sister, and at the same time she's going through many of the things Meredith herself was going through last year (er, over the last three seasons, and replacing a resident for an attending)
Then you have Derek... who is just floundering. Whatever at this point. I mean, why is Meredith still pining for him? Move on. The Chief is in the same old "stick with the hospital, reconcile with the wife" plot, but it's not done nearly as effectively as Bailey's has been. And, really, enough with episode after episode ending Gizzie. END IT ALREADY. Once and for all. Again, wishy-washy.
And... ugh, Private Practice. I was excited around episode 4 when the show had a too brief moment of decency. It justified sticking with it. But it is really drek right now. They took all the stakes out of Grey's Anatomy, and they took Addison out of Addison. Get the girl back in an OR. And... my god, is it just me or did this week's episode make a point that ALL OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS ARE SEXUALLY ENGAGED WITH AT LEAST ONE OF THE OTHERS? I mean, good lord, I thought Seattle Grace was an incestuous, sex-crazed hospital. It pales in comparison!
/semi-rant
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Originally posted by Devilz_0: ok, so it seems nobody here watched greys last night, because if anyone did, they would have realised how AWESOME it was, the best episode of the season, and much better than last years dismal three parter, Greys has been on a roll creatively this season, and last night was just at its peak
no greys fans here?
I've DVRed but have yet to watch it (was not home) -- online reviewed for this episode have been positive, but I disagree with you about this season as a whole: the entire George/Izzie plot had me almost quit the show, and I've only watched a handful of episodes this season. Like most shows, I think Grey's suffers creatively because Shonda Rhimes had to create and launch Private Practice: reminiscent of how Alias dove creatively once LOST was launched by JJ Abrams.
