Well according to your plan, moving the comedies would simply make another night weak. The comedies historically have lost a little ground when football left just like Bones and House tend to lose some ground when Idol isn't around. The main problem last year was Fox's scheduling of the Toons. New ep then repeat then new ep then repeat. It was that way for 5 months. Its a shock they held up as well as they did.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Thats just it. The Toons do BETTER aginst tougher competition. Once football was over, their ratings fell.
Plus, I hate when a network "plays it Safe". FOX should be more agressive on Sundays and create a Win-Win by moving things around a little, much like how they moved BONES and HOUSE this season.
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Originally posted by Hawk-eye: I see little reason for FOX to move the toons away from Sunday. They won't do better on another night. They are steady and suck up the NFL overrun pretty well. House doesn't need the NFL as a lead-in, anyways.
Another thing about the toons is the fact that they go from a huge lead in each week to virtually no lead in each January. Perhaps its time Fox find something to air on Sundays at 7pm. I would be all for King of the Hill moving back up to 7:30 behind Simpsons/Family Guy repeats and for American Dad to simply spell repeats of the other shows. Then the new comers could each take their turn at 8:30 and 9:30 with Dad filling in when needed. I just don't see Fox messing with success on this night just like they are unlikely to mess with success on Tuesdays and Wednesdays with House and Bones. A little stability could go a long way for them.
Because of the 7pm situation on Sundays is WHY the toons need to move. Going to a 2 hour programming night would make the toon non-depending on a bad or non-compatitble leadin (til Death).
Having a couple of Dramas on Sundays (House, Bones, Frings{if its a hit}, etc...) would do strong numbers and a show like 5th Grader would work better at 7pm as a lead in. The audiences are a little more compatible.
Plus, as we've seen, thursdays are now the Biggest night for the Nets. Advertisers (ie. Movie Studios love Thursday nights). The Aniamation Block would deliver strong demos that are perfect for this.
I know we can agree to disagree, but I do believe the Aniamtion block could get new life on Thursday Nights.
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Originally posted by mushu_jj: Another thing about the toons is the fact that they go from a huge lead in each week to virtually no lead in each January. Perhaps its time Fox find something to air on Sundays at 7pm. I would be all for King of the Hill moving back up to 7:30 behind Simpsons/Family Guy repeats and for American Dad to simply spell repeats of the other shows. Then the new comers could each take their turn at 8:30 and 9:30 with Dad filling in when needed. I just don't see Fox messing with success on this night just like they are unlikely to mess with success on Tuesdays and Wednesdays with House and Bones. A little stability could go a long way for them.
The FOX animation would absolutely fail on Thursdays. A lot of people that still watch the Simpsons do it out of habit. They even admit that the show hasn't been good in years, but still watch hoping something will change. King of the Hill and American Dad are already failing. Put this lineup on Thursday and it will come in a distant 4th behind the big 3 every week of the season.
The Simpsons may be years past its peak, but I still find it funnier than most of the 'new' half hour comedies, animated or otherwise.
And so do a lot of other people--it would do fine on Thursdays. But FOX wouldn't get as much bang for its buck there, because it would be competing with comedies there.
What makes Animation Domination work is that it's great counterprogramming. On Thursdays, not so much.
Top 20 Markets (and Indianapolis) : Overnight Household Ratings-Primetime Sunday, September 14
# 1 # 2 # 3 # 4 # 5
Time Net Program NY LA CHI PHI DAL
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7:00 CBS NFL Football Overrun 13.3/23 13.2/22 15.3/24 16.2/30
FOX The Simpsons (R) 2.5/ 4 2.3/ 4 2.0/ 3 1.9/ 3 2.6/ 5
NBC Football Night In America 2.1/ 4 1.2/ 3^ 1.8/ 3 2.2/ 4 1.9/ 4
ABC Amer Funn Home Videos (R) 3.6/ 6 3.4/ 6 4.6/ 8 5.2/ 8 5.3/10
CW One Tree Hill (R) 0.6/ 1 0.5/ 1 1.8/ 3 1.6/ 3# 1.1/ 2
7:30 NBC Football Night In America 2.3/ 4 3.6/ 7^ 3.7/ 6 3.2/ 5 4.0/ 8
FOX The Simpsons (R) 3.2/ 5 3.3/ 6 3.1/ 5 2.3/ 4 2.8/ 5
7:44 CBS 60 Minutes (R) 9.5/15 5.8/11 7.0/11 7.7/12 8.6/16
8:00 NBC Football Night In America 6.2/10 6.2/13^ 7.0/11 8.2/12 9.3/17
ABC Extreme Makeover:Home Ed(R) 4.2/ 7 5.1/ 8 4.8/ 8 3.9/ 6 5.4/10
FOX 'Day the Earth Stood' Prvw 4.2/ 7 3.4/ 6 4.4/ 7 3.6/ 6 3.0/ 5
CW Privileged (R) 1.0/ 2 1.2/ 2 1.6/ 3* 0.8/ 2# 1.7/ 3
8:10 FOX Fringe (R) 3.3/ 5 4.0/ 7 3.6/ 5 3.1/ 5 3.4/ 6
8:15 NBC Sunday Night NFL: PIT @ CLE 8.3/13 9.8/19^ 8.0/12 11.3/17 14.1/23
8:44 CBS Big Brother 10 3.3/ 5 2.8/ 5 2.9/ 4 4.0/ 6 3.7/ 6
9:00 ABC Desperate Housewives (R) 4.0/ 6 3.5/ 6 4.6/ 7 3.7/ 6 4.6/ 7
CW America's Next Top Model(R) 1.0/ 2 2.0/ 3 1.2/ 4* 0.4/ 1 1.4/ 2
9:44 CBS Cold Case (R) 3.8/ 6 4.6/ 8 4.3/ 6 5.3/ 8 6.8/11
10:44 CBS CSI: Miami (R) 3.6/ 7 4.5/ 9 3.8/ 6 4.9/ 9 5.9/10
NOTE: In New York @ 11:45pm, "Mike'd Up: The Francesa Sports Final" (2.5/6)
* Due to MLB: CUBS @ HOU in MIL (8.4/13), this CW program aired in late night
# Due to MLB: MIL @ PHI (9.1/14), this CW program aired in late night
^ West Coast markets aired this event live, before primetime
# 6 # 7 # 8 # 9 #10
Time Net Program SF/OAK/SJ BOS ATL WSH DC HOU
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7:00 CBS NFL Football Overrun 21.5/36 8.7/15 17.6/32
FOX The Simpsons (R) 1.4/ 3 1.5/ 2 2.4/ 4
NBC Football Night In America 0.3/ 1^ 1.4/ 2 2.6/ 5 2.9/ 5
ABC Amer Funn Home Videos (R) 2.1/ 4 4.8/ 8 5.4/ 9 4.1/ 7
CW One Tree Hill (R) 0.1/ 0 0.9/ 2 0.9/ 2 0.4/ 1
7:30 NBC Football Night In America 2.1/ 5^ 2.9/ 5 5.2/ 9 5.9/10
FOX The Simpsons (R) 1.4/ 3 2.6/ 4 4.2/ 7 2.4/ 4
7:44 CBS 60 Minutes (R) 6.4/13 11.9/18 6.2/10 10.1/16
8:00 NBC Football Night In America 4.7/11^ 6.8/11 8.4/13 12.1/19
ABC Extreme Makeover:Home Ed(R) 2.8/ 5 5.2/ 8 5.3/ 8 4.6/ 7
FOX 'Day the Earth Stood' Prvw 3.9/ 7 4.0/ 6 5.8/ 9 4.0/ 6
CW Privileged (R) 0.7/ 1 1.4/ 2 0.9/ 1 0.8/ 1
8:10 FOX Fringe (R) 4.2/ 8 3.5/ 5 5.0/ 8 4.0/ 6
8:15 NBC Sunday Night NFL: PIT @ CLE 9.0/19^ 9.2/15 11.0/18 16.0/26
8:44 CBS Big Brother 10 2.8/ 5 5.0/ 7 3.3/ 5 4.0/ 6
9:00 ABC Desperate Housewives (R) 1.7/ 3 3.5/ 6 2.3/ 4 4.6/ 7
CW America's Next Top Model(R) 0.7/ 1 1.0/ 2 1.4/ 2 0.7/ 1
9:44 CBS Cold Case (R) 3.6/ 7 5.0/ 8 3.3/ 5 3.6/ 6
10:44 CBS CSI: Miami (R) 2.6/ 6 3.2/ 7 2.8/ 6 3.8/ 8
^ West Coast markets aired this event live, before primetime
#11 #12 #13 #14 #15
Time Net Program DET PHX TAM-StP SEA-Tac MIN-StPl
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7:00 CBS NFL Football Overrun 12.7/19 5.2/ 8 15.2/27
FOX The Simpsons (R) 3.6/ 5 2.5/ 5 2.4/ 5
NBC Football Night In America 4.1/ 6 1.9/ 3^ 2.0/ 3 0.6/ 1^ 2.3/ 4
ABC Amer Funn Home Videos (R) 8.0/12 -.-/--! 3.6/ 6^^ 4.3/ 8 7.5/13
CW One Tree Hill (R) 1.2/ 2 1.1/ 2 1.4/ 2 0.4/ 1 1.0/ 2
7:30 NBC Football Night In America 4.1/ 6 4.9/ 9^ 4.6/ 7 2.9/ 7^ 2.8/ 5
FOX The Simpsons (R) 4.7/ 7 2.8/ 5 6.5/10 3.3/ 6
7:44 CBS 60 Minutes (R) 8.2/12 7.2/13 7.2/11 5.9/11 10.6/18
8:00 NBC Football Night In America 7.3/11 7.8/14^ 8.2/12 5.5/14^ 5.8/10
ABC Extreme Makeover:Home Ed(R) 6.6/10 4.0/ 7 4.5/ 7^^ 4.2/ 8 6.8/11
FOX 'Day the Earth Stood' Prvw 5.6/ 8 4.1/ 7 7.8/12 5.0/ 9 4.9/ 8
CW Privileged (R) 1.3/ 2 0.6/ 1 1.8/ 3 0.8/ 1 1.1/ 2
8:10 FOX Fringe (R) 5.5/ 8 3.5/ 6 5.5/ 8 4.3/ 8 4.4/ 7
8:15 NBC Sunday Night NFL: PIT @ CLE 10.0/15 11.8/21^ 10.1/16 10.0/21^ 10.0/16
8:44 CBS Big Brother 10 2.7/ 4 2.2/ 4 5.7/ 8 3.3/ 6 5.6/ 9
9:00 ABC Desperate Housewives (R) 5.3/ 8 3.2/ 5 2.3/ 4^^ 2.9/ 6 5.5/ 8
CW America's Next Top Model(R) 1.8/ 3 1.2/ 2 2.5/ 4 1.0/ 2 2.0/ 3
9:44 CBS Cold Case (R) 3.0/ 5 4.1/ 7 3.6/ 6 2.5/ 5 5.5/ 8
10:44 CBS CSI: Miami (R) 3.2/ 6 4.4/ 8 3.5/ 7 1.3/ 3 5.9/10
! Due to a Sonoran special (0.7/1), this ABC program never aired on this date
^ West Coast markets aired this event live, before primetime
^^ Combined rating of this market's two ABC affilates
#16 #17 #18 #19 #20 #26
Time Net Program MIA-FtL CLE-Akr DEN ORL-Dyta SAC-Stkn IND
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7:00 CBS NFL Football Overrun 15.7/25 14.0/25 11.3/17 17.4/29
FOX The Simpsons (R) 1.8/ 3 3.8/ 7 2.2/ 4 1.4/ 2
NBC Football Night In America 1.1/ 2 6.4/12 1.7/ 3 2.8/ 4 1.6/ 3^ 4.1/ 7
ABC Amer Funn Home Videos (R) 4.4/ 7 4.9/ 9 2.8/ 5 5.8/ 9 3.1/ 5 6.0/10
CW One Tree Hill (R) 1.0/ 2 1.1/ 2 0.1/ 0 1.5/ 2 0.7/ 1 0.8/ 1
7:30 NBC Football Night In America 3.8/ 6 11.9/20 3.3/ 6 5.5/ 8 4.2/ 8^ 5.5/ 9
FOX The Simpsons (R) 2.5/ 4 4.0/ 7 1.9/ 3 3.3/ 5 2.4/ 4
7:44 CBS 60 Minutes (R) 11.0/17 7.6/12 12.2/22 6.9/10 6.3/11 12.2/18
8:00 NBC Football Night In America 8.1/12 29.1/46 8.5/16 12.0/18 7.1/13^ 12.4/18
ABC Extreme Makeover:Home Ed(R) 3.7/ 5 5.1/ 8 4.6/ 7 4.3/ 6 5.3/ 8 5.5/ 8
FOX 'Day the Earth Stood' Prvw 4.0/ 6 4.5/ 7 2.8/ 5 5.3/ 8 3.6/ 6 3.2/ 5
CW Privileged (R) 1.0/ 1 0.9/ 1 0.9/ 1 2.2/ 3 2.0/ 3 0.3/ 0
8:10 FOX Fringe (R) 3.4/ 5 4.6/ 7 4.1/ 6 3.6/ 5 4.3/ 7 3.7/ 5
8:15 NBC Sunday Night NFL: PIT @ CLE 11.2/16 33.1/52 14.2/22 12.0/18 11.6/20 14.7/23
8:44 CBS Big Brother 10 4.5/ 6 5.2/ 8 4.1/ 6 4.0/ 6 4.1/ 7 6.4/ 9
9:00 ABC Desperate Housewives (R) 3.8/ 5 2.8/ 4 2.6/ 4 3.0/ 4 3.8/ 7 3.6/ 5
CW America's Next Top Model(R) 1.4/ 2 0.6/ 1 1.1/ 2 2.6/ 4 1.9/ 3 1.1/ 2
9:44 CBS Cold Case (R) 3.9/ 5 3.5/ 6 6.5/10 3.9/ 6 7.0/11 5.3/ 8
10:44 CBS CSI: Miami (R) 3.5/ 6 3.2/ 6 6.1/10 3.4/ 6 5.8/10 4.6/ 9
^ West Coast markets aired this event live, before primetime
NFL Markets: Overnight Household Ratings - Sunday, September 14
LEGEND: c = CBS; f = FOX
Market Early 1:00 | Late 4:15 | NBC SNF 8:15
Rank Market Sunday Rtg/Shr | Sunday Rtg/Shr | PIT@CLE Rtg/Shr
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1 NEW YORK NYG@STL 10.3/23 f | | 8.3/13
1 NEW YORK IND@MIN 3.8/ 9 c | NE@NYJ 15.5/31 c |
2 LOS ANGELES OAK@KC 5.9/15 c | SD@DEN 10.6/24 f | 9.8/19
2 LOS ANGELES NYG@STL 5.4/14 f | |
3 CHICAGO CHI@CAR 26.7/49 f | | 8.0/12
3 CHICAGO IND@MIN 3.4/ 6 c | NE@NYJ 11.3/21 c |
4 PHILADELPHIA NYG@STL 9.4/20 f | | 11.3/17
4 PHILADELPHIA IND@MIN 7.9/16 c | NE@NYJ 16.4/30 c |
5 DALLAS IND@MIN 9.4/21 c | NE@NYJ 15.4/30 c | 14.1/23
5 DALLAS NO@WSH 7.8/18 f | |
6 SF/OAK/SJ OAK@KC 10.4/30 c | SD@DEN 4.8/12 c | 9.0/19
6 SF/OAK/SJ | SF@SEA 12.1/31 f |
7 BOSTON IND@MIN 23.2/53 c | NE@NYJ 32.0/55 c | 9.2/15
7 BOSTON NYG@STL 3.6/ 8 f | |
8 ATLANTA | ATL@TB 15.7/29 f | 11.0/18
8 ATLANTA IND@MIN 13.3/28 c | NE@NYJ 6.8/12 c |
9 WASHINGTONDC NO@WSH 24.6/51 f | NE@NYJ 15.6/30 c | 16.0/26
11 DETROIT GB@DET 21.6/42 f | NE@NYJ 10.0/18 c | 10.0/15
12 PHOENIX IND@MIN 8.4/20 c | MIA@ARZ 17.5/34 c | 11.8/21
12 PHOENIX CHI@CAR 5.2/12 f | |
13 TAM-StPete BUF@JAX 10.7/22 c | ATL@TB 22.9/39 f | 10.1/16
14 SEA-Tacoma IND@MIN 9.9/29 c | SF@SEA 20.6/51 f | 10.0/21
15 MIN-StPaul IND@MIN 27.2/55 c | NE@NYJ 17.1/34 c | 10.0/16
15 MIN-StPaul | SF@SEA 4.2/ 8 f |
16 MIA-FtLau IND@MIN 11.2/21 c | MIA@ARZ 20.1/35 c | 11.2/16
16 MIA-FtLau NYG@STL 5.3/10 f | |
17 CLE-Akron TEN@CIN 7.5/18 c | NE@NYJ 13.2/25 c | 33.1/52
17 CLE-Akron CHI@CAR 6.8/16 f | |
18 DENVER OAK@KC 12.9/28 c | SD@DEN 33.7/60 c | 14.2/22
18 DENVER CHI@CAR 7.0/16 f | |
19 ORL-Dytona BUF@JAX 12.5/24 c | MIA@ARZ 9.8/16 c | 12.0/18
19 ORL-Dytona | ATL@TB 8.5/14 f |
20 SAC-Stcktn | SF@SEA 10.2/21 f | 11.6/20
20 SAC-Stcktn OAK@KC 12.4/28 c | SD@DEN 7.2/15 c |
21 St LOUIS NYG@STL 18.8/33 f | NE@NYJ 11.3/19 c | 11.7/17
22 PITTSBURGH TEN@CIN 11.2/24 c | NE@NYJ 19.8/37 c | 45.9/63
22 PITTSBURGH NYG@STL 4.6/10 f | |
24 BALTIMORE IND@MIN 11.9/25 c | NE@NYJ 17.5/32 c | 17.7/25
24 BALTIMORE NO@WSH 8.8/18 f | |
25 CHARLOTTE CHI@CAR 24.5/45 f | NE@NYJ 14.2/25 c | 14.4/22
26 INDIANAPOLIS IND@MIN 31.6/53 c | NE@NYJ 19.4/33 c | 14.7/23
26 INDIANAPOLIS | SF@SEA 2.6/ 4 f |
27 SAN DIEGO OAK@KC 12.3/26 c | SD@DEN 29.4/54 c | 10.6/18
27 SAN DIEGO NYG@STL 5.5/12 f | |
28 RALGH-DURHM CHI@CAR 11.3/22 f | | 7.8/12
28 RALGH-DURHM IND@MIN 6.2/12 c | NE@NYJ 13.7/25 c |
29 HARTFORD-NH NYG@STL 6.6/15 c | NE@NYJ 16.6/31 c | 8.6/13
29 HARTFORD-NH IND@MIN 6.1/13 f | |
30 NASHVILLE TEN@CIN 30.2/51 c | NE@NYJ 22.7/35 c | 15.4/21
30 NASHVILLE | ATL@TB 3.0/ 5 f |
31 KANSAS CITY OAK@KC 30.2/56 c | SD@DEN 18.7/34 c | 11.3/17
31 KANSAS CITY | SF@SEA 3.5/ 6 f |
34 MILWAUKEE GB@DET 34.3/58 f | | 11.8/17
34 MILWAUKEE IND@MIN 3.0/ 5 c | NE@NYJ 20.7/35 c |
35 SALT LAKE IND@MIN 5.2/17 c | SD@DEN 10.0/26 c | 8.6/17
35 SALT LAKE CHI@CAR 2.7/ 9 f | |
38 W PALM BCH IND@MIN 11.4/22 c | MIA@ARZ 17.7/30 c | 11.7/18
38 W PALM BCH NYG@STL 6.9/13 f | |
43 LAS VEGAS CHI@CAR 11.2/19 f | | 14.3/22
43 LAS VEGAS OAK@KC 8.1/14 c | SD@DEN 19.0/31 c |
47 MEMPHIS TEN@CIN 10.6/17 c | NE@NYJ 15.2/23 c | 14.2/19
47 MEMPHIS NO@WSH 7.5/12 f | |
49 JACKSONVLLE BUF@JAX 28.6/48 c | MIA@ARZ 11.4/18 c | 12.8/19
49 JACKSONVLLE | ATL@TB 7.9/13 f |
50 BUFFALO BUF@JAX 35.7/61 c | NE@NYJ 21.1/36 c | 14.6/22
50 BUFFALO | ATL@TB 2.0/ 3 f |
51 AUSTIN NO@WSH 8.2/18 f | NE@NYJ 14.5/27 c | 12.1/20
51 AUSTIN IND@MIN 8.1/18 c | |
52 PROVIDENCE IND@MIN 10.2/21 c | NE@NYJ 19.1/29 c | 10.0/15
52 PROVIDENCE NYG@STL 3.9/ 8 f | |
53 NEW ORLEANS NO@WSH 33.9/53 f | | 11.3/15
53 NEW ORLEANS IND@MIN 3.3/ 5 c | NE@NYJ 14.0/23 c |
58 KNOXVILLE TEN@CIN 9.3/16 c | NE@NYJ 11.2/17 c | 9.8/14
58 KNOXVILLE CHI@CAR 2.9/ 5 f | |
63 FORT MYERS IND@MIN 15.7/31 c | MIA@ARZ 10.9/18 c | 10.6/16
63 FORT MYERS | ATL@TB 9.5/16 f |
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