Sorry but I have to disagree. CBS has 3 CSI's and it hasn't tanked them. L&O and L&O: SVU are among the top dramas on the network and it would look a lot worse if NBC didn't have them on schedule. Even L&O: CI gives NBC some of their better Saturday repeat numbers, so it has a purpose on schedule in a limited context.

I think the problem is that NBC hasn't really built a schedule around the L&O fans to keep them watching other shows. A L&O: SVU fan for instance isn't likely to check out Heroes. Those shows appeal to two different audiences. NBC tried to be all things to all audiences with its pilot development and it hasn't worked. In my opinion, that has caused the collapse. They need to narrow down their focus a bit.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
There is just too much Law & Order on NBC, which is one of the reasons why the network has collapsed.

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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
That's exactly what I would do also. If they don't want to give the night away, then continue with the movies. CW has struggled on Sundays and I think anything they place there is doomed for low ratings. With Fridays, the CW audience is used to programming there and CW could excel with a niche audience night like a sci fi night with Vampire Diaries and Reaper.

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
If I were the CW I would give Sunday back to the affiliates and work aggressively on Friday

I would put Reaper on Sundays if The CW keeps the comedies. Viewers seem to follow Reaper around, and it may work on Sundays if promoted right.

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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
I think if FOX markets the last episodes angle, PB will do decently on Fridays. I could see somewhere in the 5 to 6 million range, which is better than T:SCC in that timeslot.

However, I don't think that audience will carry over into Dollhouse. The viewers that are interested in Dollhouse have more than likely already checked it out and the fact that Dollhouse's ratings are decreasing almost weekly means there is a disconnect somewhere.

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Originally posted by Julie:

Both shows have to be hugely expensive, SCC more than Dollhouse. With less than 4 million viewers, there's no way both shows will be back next season.

I wonder how Prison Break will do - will the 5 million viewers it had return, will some extra viewers also return for the final episodes, or will people just not care anymore?

Yeah, I agree with that. If FOX does promote the series finale, or the "final episodes" viewers will return. But, Dollhouse's days of looking good on Fridays are long gone. It won't be growing out of Prison Break (most likely), which will further itself more into the cancellation arena.

I'm not surprised by Fast and Furious' total. The film franchise is still huge and bringing back the original cast was just going to increase those totals.

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Originally posted by filmkr27:
Fast and furious makes 30 million on Friday alone on its way to probably 65-70 million for the biggest opening in April ever and the third biggest for universal ever. Great opening scene and fun overall.

has to explain some of terminator and dollhouse ratings.

L&O and L&O: SVU makes a good pair on Wednesday and would provide stability to the night. Wouldn't surprise me to see it happen as Biggest Loser is likely to be two hours on Tuesday next year. I agree that Southland is definately a 9 PM show after seeing the pilot. It couldn't be cut down enough to be an 8 PM show.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I think Wed. at 8 is a very likely option for Law and Order, leading into SVU. Southland can't possibly pair with SVU. Both are definitely 9pm shows.

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Terminator: This show has been very good since moving to Friday. people not watching it are missing out on a good story. No, it won't be renewed. Yes it is likely just on the air to stretch viewer interest towards the next movie release.

And if anything, it's achieving the opposite result.

I watched quite a bit of last night's ep--I found it boring--again. The characters ALL come across like machines. I'm not a huge fan of the Cameron Terminator movies, but at least they understood the importance of characters people actually care about.

I think that without massively expensive action scenes every week, people just can't bring themselves to care what happens to these people who act like robots, and robots who act like people who act like robots.

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Dollhouse: Last night's episode was lame for the first 3/4ths of the episode, but they pulled it back together in a sensible manner at the end. The problem is, the show is right back to the 'zero progress state' for the 'dolls'. I know this is the result of stupid FOX network meddling to make the show less serialized, but really, this show does not lend itself well to a restart every episode even though that is the premise of the 'dolls'. I still don't see any reason why FOX would be considering this show for renewal. Sure, it does better than FNL and FNL got renewed, but FOX isn't as pathetic these days as NBC.

Actually, it's reached the point where fewer people are watching it than FNL--which self-evidently costs much less to make. And I don't think DirecTV wants to get involved here.

I have a better idea of what Whedon is going for--but that doesn't mean I want to watch it every week. Again, it's not a good premise for an open-ended series. And as we see, it's actually losing ground as Whedon reworks it--people who were already into the show are already expressing dismay about some of his changes. The big problem with starting something like this without having really thought it through.

The problem is not network meddling--the problem is that Whedon and FOX don't understand each other anymore, but Whedon has nowhere else to go. 100% of his work for TV has been for 20th Television. But it's a far different place than it was in the 90's, when Buffy was developed. And Whedon isn't the man he used to be either.

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But, Dollhouse's days of looking good on Fridays are long gone.

I think you mean its days of looking less bad than it does now. It NEVER did well.

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Originally posted by WlcmLAPD:
L&O and L&O: SVU makes a good pair on Wednesday and would provide stability to the night. Wouldn't surprise me to see it happen as Biggest Loser is likely to be two hours on Tuesday next year. I agree that Southland is definately a 9 PM show after seeing the pilot. It couldn't be cut down enough to be an 8 PM show.

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Originally posted by mushu_jj:
I think Wed. at 8 is a very likely option for Law and Order, leading into SVU. Southland can't possibly pair with SVU. Both are definitely 9pm shows.

If Southland hits, maybe The Office/30 Rock at 8pm, and Southland at 9pm for Thursdays next year. Tuesdays could be Biggest Loser for 90 minutes, then a new comedy, or Parks & Recreation, or something. Mondays are a tossup, but I'd like to see Heroes maybe go to Sundays in January, since it is coming back.

Seeing how NBC will be repeating Medium Mondays at 8pm all summer, that could be a sign we may see it go to Mondays at 8pm in the fall, or Fridays at 9pm is an option. But since it will be repeating, I'd like to think it'll be back next fall.

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Originally posted by pisher:

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But, Dollhouse's days of looking good on Fridays are long gone.

I think you mean its days of looking less bad than it does now. It NEVER did well.

LOL - can't argue with that.

But, compared to Terminator, it was looking somewhat okay. But, like I said, those days are gone.

Julie, 'those days' were like 6-8 weeks ago.

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Originally posted by pisher:
Julie, 'those days' were like 6-8 weeks ago.

And they're gone. But hey, you win some, you lose some, right?

Julie, the days when Whedon 'won some' were the 90's. And those are REALLY gone.

Come on people, cut Dollhouse some slack. It doesn't have a strong lead-in but still beats if by only a few thousand viewers it still beats it. Lets just wait and see how it does in 2 weeks time when Prison Break is back on air. I guarantee about 5 million viewers.

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Come on people, cut Dollhouse some slack.

Hey, we've been very nice to you, in spite of your annoying habit of referring to yourself in the third person singular.

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It doesn't have a strong lead-in

It's doing almost exactly the same as T:SCC does with NO lead-in.

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but still beats if by only a few thousand viewers it still beats it.

In this game, a few thousand viewers is statistically meaningless--in reality, T:SCC could actually have a larger audience. Nielsen is just estimating. And in terms of what FOX can charge for adtime, they are both in the same dismal straits.

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Lets just wait and see how it does in 2 weeks time when Prison Break is back on air. I guarantee about 5 million viewers.

Or what?