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I agree. Cruelty to animals cannot be charming.

What cruelty to animals?

Did you watch the ep last night at all?
Gabrielle's disgusting treatment of Carlos' dog definitely qualifies. I was half surprised the writers didn't go as far as have Gabrielle run over the Roxie or try and poison her.

But they didn't "really" hurt the dog. That's just the screenplay. You may hate the character for the way she treats the dog but that's totally different.

How about TV shows that portray teenage mass murderers who go into school with guns ablazing? Some of them got pulled in the last few years out of sensitivity to real life events. We all know it's acting, make believe, but still, these things have effect on viewers. I'd rather not see cruelty to animal on tv just like I'd REALLY not see any rape scenes, thank you very much.

If we're talking about animal cruelty on DH, i was much more upset seeing Bree wearing furs. I love animals, i also don't like seeing dead people. But i don't like that in "real life", it doesn't mean i'll stop watching CSI.

I'd never say that TV should avoid depicting things that are unpleasant to some viewers--geez, there wouldn't BE any TV if you went far enough with that.

But otoh, a show like DH is just light fluffy mindless entertainment, and the character in question isn't supposed to be Cruella DeVille.

If somebody has a problem seeing that kind of thing, they have every right, and every reason, to stop watching the show.

I can't very well do that, since I'm already not watching.

For a lot of people, seeing animals abused, even fictionally, is very traumatic. Except on Animal Planet, where it's actually happening.

Why should people have to be rational about what entertains them?

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Must see ABC drama Brothers & Sisters dominated at 10 p.m., with 11.55 million viewers and a 4.0/10 among adults 18-49. If you happened to miss last night’s episode (the best, I think, of the series to-date), it is now available at abc.com. Emmy voters, take note!

Marc,

I am very curious to see the half hour numbers for Brothers & Sisters. That shocker happened just before the half hour. Declines, increases, steady?

Thanks!

Chris

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Re: BB finale.

A blah ending to a blah season, etc.

Ugh, I know. BB never has a good winner. But of course, it's never going to be the best reality show.

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I'd never say that TV should avoid depicting things that are unpleasant to some viewers--geez, there wouldn't BE any TV if you went far enough with that.

But otoh, a show like DH is just light fluffy mindless entertainment, and the character in question isn't supposed to be Cruella DeVille.

If somebody has a problem seeing that kind of thing, they have every right, and every reason, to stop watching the show.

I can't very well do that, since I'm already not watching.

For a lot of people, seeing animals abused, even fictionally, is very traumatic. Except on Animal Planet, where it's actually happening.

Why should people have to be rational about what entertains them?

If you haven's seen the episode then i understand why you compare the charecter with Cruella. But trust me that's not true. It's not like she killed the dog.
But i understand what you're talking about.I had this kind of problem with CSI this season. They had a great episode about dogfighting. And although i knew everything it's fictional i had trouble watching it.

I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

as a dog owner, what is it that she actually did to the dog?

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I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

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as a dog owner, what is it that she actually did to the dog?

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I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

I was flipping channels so maybe i'm wrong, but she basically threw him out, and shw didn't do it very gentle

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The CW should do someting next season, becuae these numbers are just pathetic. The ANTM repeat doing 1.02 million and a 0.5 in the demo, I can understand. But EHC is actually funny, and I believe it premiered on UPN 2 seasons ago with almost 7 million viewers. And now it can barely crack the 1 million mark sometimes. It's just horrible to see the these numbers. Their doing something wrong, because the show doesn't deserve these ratings. Escpecially for an original.

Its called promotion and there's been very little bit of it for both shows because they both skew to undesirable demos in Cdub land.

she returned him to the seeing eye dog facility. had she left him on the side of the road, that would be a different story

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as a dog owner, what is it that she actually did to the dog?

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I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

I was flipping channels so maybe i'm wrong, but she basically threw him out, and shw didn't do it very gentle

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If you haven's seen the episode then i understand why you compare the charecter with Cruella. But trust me that's not true. It's not like she killed the dog.

Well technically, Cruella hasn't killed any dogs either. Not in the original movie, anyway. Not one puppy got skinned in the animated feature. What was her final score in the live action remakes?

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But i understand what you're talking about.I had this kind of problem with CSI this season. They had a great episode about dogfighting. And although i knew everything it's fictional i had trouble watching it.

I wouldn't have a problem with that, as long as they depicted dogfighting as a bad thing, and didn't glamorize it. I not only had no problems with a plot element on The Wire that dealt with dogfighting, I felt it really contributed to the show.

This is not dealing with a social issue, nor does it really tell us anything about the character, based on what I'm hearing--it's just done for cheap laughs and shock value. Well, fine--if people enjoy that, let them. If you don't, change the channel.

However, I'd have huge problems with anyone saying "You have to keep watching because this is great television and we need to support it." It's not, and we don't. Period.

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she returned him to the seeing eye dog facility. had she left him on the side of the road, that would be a different story

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as a dog owner, what is it that she actually did to the dog?

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I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

I was flipping channels so maybe i'm wrong, but she basically threw him out, and shw didn't do it very gentle

Roxy was a female, so not a "he". Gabby was hostile to the dog from the beginning, which is why Roxy reciprocated. Then, even after Gabrielle lured the dog into her car early in the morning and took her back to the trainer, the dog chased the car all the way home. Gabrielle lied about the dog being outside, and went out to get it. She was caught by Carlos struggling to remove her from the front yard by force. Who knows what she was about to do next. Gabrielle has become intolerable lately, with her treatment of animals, her blind husbands and the handicapped. Definitely NOT cute.

please... she did not hurt the dog. if anything, it showed how SMART dogs are.

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Roxy was a female, so not a "he". Gabby was hostile to the dog from the beginning, which is why Roxy reciprocated. Then, even after Gabrielle lured the dog into her car early in the morning and took her back to the trainer, the dog chased the car all the way home. Gabrielle lied about the dog being outside, and went out to get it. She was caught by Carlos struggling to remove her from the front yard by force. Who knows what she was about to do next. Gabrielle has become intolerable lately, with her treatment of animals, her blind husbands and the handicapped. Definitely NOT cute.

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she returned him to the seeing eye dog facility. had she left him on the side of the road, that would be a different story

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as a dog owner, what is it that she actually did to the dog?

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Originally posted by Marc Berman:
I think Gabrielle has become completely unlikable. And the whole dog think only solidifies that. Personally, I was competely uncomfortable with the whole thing.

I was flipping channels so maybe i'm wrong, but she basically threw him out, and shw didn't do it very gentle

Roxy was a female, so not a "he". Gabby was hostile to the dog from the beginning, which is why Roxy reciprocated. Then, even after Gabrielle lured the dog into her car early in the morning and took her back to the trainer, the dog chased the car all the way home. Gabrielle lied about the dog being outside, and went out to get it. She was caught by Carlos struggling to remove her from the front yard by force. Who knows what she was about to do next. Gabrielle has become intolerable lately, with her treatment of animals, her blind husbands and the handicapped. Definitely NOT cute.

That's true. Last sunday's episode was very offensive towards the handicapped people also. I think the writers are exaggerating. After all it's supposed to be "funny show"
On the other hand it started with a suicide so it's not exactly the most cheerful shows

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she returned him to the seeing eye dog facility. had she left him on the side of the road, that would be a different story

Yeah, and it's a stupid story, no matter how you spin it. Carlos is faking blindness, right? I saw a minute or so of last week's ep.

Nobody faking blindness would request a seeing eye dog--it's a lot of time and effort to learn to work with a dog, and to take care of it. Also, the waiting lists are pretty long, and he'd have had to be evaluated, and take courses, and etc.

If Gaby returned the dog because his abilities were being wasted, instead of for what I ASSUME were vengeful motives, that would have actually been an admirable thing to do.

And the story would still be pretty dumb.