How is it the main draw? Survivor, CC, WAT, CM, and all the CSI's either pull in equal or more 18 to 49s than the comedies. Without stunt casting and extra promo, HIMYM and BBT struggle to pull in a 3 demo.
Moving into pilot development Eleventh Hour being sci fi will natural be more geared for 18 to 49s and Tower (the optional) depending on how stylistic they choose to film it will appeal to 18 to 49s as journalism tends to appeal to that demo more. I'm not seeing the need for new CBS comedies that unless teamed up with 2 and a Half Men, will at best pull in the high 2, low 3 demos.
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Originally posted by xwiseguyx: As far as the 18-49 numbers go, it is.
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Originally posted by WlcmBlueBloodWorstEnemy: Comedies aren't CBS' main draw.
Originally posted by ughreality: This is an ignorant statement. Obviously you either like or don't like the show. I know it's a bit "smarter" than the normal CBS crime procedural but if that's not your gig then that's not your gig.
As a fan of both Lost and CSI (well, maybe not so much this season), it irritates me when someone drops a "you don't like my show because it's too smart for you" blast like this.
It's all entertainment. Don't pretend picking one candy bar over another speaks to your increased mental acumen.
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Originally posted by filmkr27: [QUOTE]Originally posted by WBer89: I like how The CW renews Supernatural with 2.53 million and a 1.0 demo and Reaper might get canceled with 2.51 million and a 1.1 demo. Adding to the fire is the fact that Supernatural had Smallville as a lead-in and Reaper had the practically non-existing Beauty and the Geek. Talk about fairness...
I agree that it seems unfair, but Supernatural and Smallville were renewed because of their season averages, which are higher than Reaper's and because the competition is bigger on Thursdays. SPN had a good February sweeps. Now there's not even new House on Tuesdays, but Reaper is stuck at the 2.5 million level. However there are other factors which are working against Reaper:
1.)Licensing fees. SV and SPN are Warner produced. Warner's agreed to reduced licensing fees to air their shows (CW wants cuts across the board since the network is bleeding red ink).
2.)Reaper is produced by ABC Studios. From what I understand, ABC won't agree to a reduced license fee.
3.)Warner will clean up with DVD, syndication, and international market revenue with Smallville and especially SPN. Reaper isn't even placing on itunes. Veronica Mars was a Warner show, but it performed terribly overseas, so Warner didn't go to bat for it. Ergo it was cancelled. OTH is a Warner show, and it has a syndication deal. Ergo, it's renewed for season 6.
4.)The strike. Reaper didn't have a chance to establish a loyal audience. Its ratings dropped after its premiere and they stayed down.
5.)Reaper doesn't appeal to teen females. SPN's teen female demo is higher.
6.)SPN did it in spite of having Smallville as a lead in. LOL! Their numbers have never affected on another. Smallville will take a drop, SPN will rise. SV rises and SPN drops.
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is there anything being done to save reaper?
If ABC won't agree to a reduced license fee, there is absolutely nothing you can do to save Reaper. Call ABC and complain. It's all about the dripping red ink for CW at this point. Reaper's timeslot will make a nice place for the new 90210 spinoff sequel whatever type pilot. You had better send those socks to the ABC office.
That's a very interesting post. I know supernatural does very well over seas. In some countries it has a bigger audience than in the USA, like in Russia, for example. It's also very popular in Asia and acording to this it airs in lots of countries. DVD's, books, comic books and magazines sel well too, so I gess lucrative merchandising counts for something. And Supernatural is closer to sindication than Reaper, so that's maybe a plus too.
Also, last nights episode Long Distance Call ranks #1 on "Top TV Episodes" under the sci-fi/fantasy category on iTunes. Guess GG isn't the only online sucess.
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Originally posted by gdfriends: yes, all the doctors having orgy's with eachother on greys is way "smarter" then cbs procedurals
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Originally posted by ughreality: "And it's always a pleasure to see Lost tanking, of course. Another aimless and meaningless show"
This is an ignorant statement. Obviously you either like or don't like the show. I know it's a bit "smarter" than the normal CBS crime procedural but if that's not your gig then that's not your gig.
In any case I wouldn't call the show "tanking" . I would summarize that it's numbers are about on par with the trend for most shows post strike. Again, name another show that has had five different time periods in 4 seasons that would pull in better numbers in this type of TV environment this year than Lost has?
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Originally posted by total eclipse: ABC is in Trouble! UB was a bubble, and it now burst. Nothing there but plenty of soap. GA is a show that in such a decline (creatively and commercially) that even when they bring back a much loved character and create sensational promos - the viewers still run for the hills. And it's always a pleasure to see Lost tanking, of course. Another aimless and meaningless show.
Originally posted by filmkr27: [QUOTE]Originally posted by WBer89: I like how The CW renews Supernatural with 2.53 million and a 1.0 demo and Reaper might get canceled with 2.51 million and a 1.1 demo. Adding to the fire is the fact that Supernatural had Smallville as a lead-in and Reaper had the practically non-existing Beauty and the Geek. Talk about fairness...
I agree that it seems unfair, but Supernatural and Smallville were renewed because of their season averages, which are higher than Reaper's and because the competition is bigger on Thursdays. SPN had a good February sweeps. Now there's not even new House on Tuesdays, but Reaper is stuck at the 2.5 million level. However there are other factors which are working against Reaper:
1.)Licensing fees. SV and SPN are Warner produced. Warner's agreed to reduced licensing fees to air their shows (CW wants cuts across the board since the network is bleeding red ink).
2.)Reaper is produced by ABC Studios. From what I understand, ABC won't agree to a reduced license fee.
3.)Warner will clean up with DVD, syndication, and international market revenue with Smallville and especially SPN. Reaper isn't even placing on itunes. Veronica Mars was a Warner show, but it performed terribly overseas, so Warner didn't go to bat for it. Ergo it was cancelled. OTH is a Warner show, and it has a syndication deal. Ergo, it's renewed for season 6.
4.)The strike. Reaper didn't have a chance to establish a loyal audience. Its ratings dropped after its premiere and they stayed down.
5.)Reaper doesn't appeal to teen females. SPN's teen female demo is higher.
6.)SPN did it in spite of having Smallville as a lead in. LOL! Their numbers have never affected on another. Smallville will take a drop, SPN will rise. SV rises and SPN drops.
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is there anything being done to save reaper?
If ABC won't agree to a reduced license fee, there is absolutely nothing you can do to save Reaper. Call ABC and complain. It's all about the dripping red ink for CW at this point. Reaper's timeslot will make a nice place for the new 90210 spinoff sequel whatever type pilot. You had better send those socks to the ABC office.
That's a very interesting post. I know supernatural does very well over seas. In some countries it has a bigger audience than in the USA, like in Russia, for example. It's also very popular uin Asia and acording to this this it airs in lots of countries. itunes, DVD's, books, comic books and magazines sel well too, so I gess lucrative merchandising counts for something. And Supernatural is closer to sindication than Reaper, so that's maybe a plus too.
ITs a huge factor for many shows. And unforunately for Reaper, it is just getting out of the gate. The studio has things like itunes sales (we get some rankings, but no sales amount), but Reaper doesn't do well based on what little we know on that front. They have no idea how DVD sales will do. IT has little if any merchandise available. And it is just starting in overseas markets.
Compare that to a known factor like Supernatural. Which doesn't fit the demo group or even base numbers that the CW is striving for. But becuase it been around, the studio knows how much it has generated in DVD sales, on itunes it does better (though again dollar amount have no idea at all), it has merchandise out (books, magazines, ect), they have data from many countries overseas and know what it will generate there, and its getting closer to a better number for syndication.
All those factors helped it stay alive last eyar (when it was very much in question).
The fact that ABC has no connection to the CW really hurts Reaper. The fact that Warner has a half share in the CW means that if the show is generating significant revenue off network, then they are in a position to make sure it stays on the air, even if they take an immediate hit on cost.
Its part of the business and one of the reasons the freshmen year is so hard for many shows.
Now that doesn't mean that Reaper has no hope, what fans really need to do besides letting the CW, ABC know is pray for a very weak development slate for the next season. CW has a lot of time to fill.
Originally posted by galveston: 4.)The strike. Reaper didn't have a chance to establish a loyal audience. Its ratings dropped after its premiere and they stayed down.
And that's true of every single new show this year. Gossip Girl dropped more than Reaper and stayed at similar levels.
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5.)Reaper doesn't appeal to teen females. SPN's teen female demo is higher.
You know where teen and tween female demo concentration is highest? Cable. This kind of argument is BS and CW spinning; if you're a network, you program for A18-49 because that is what the advertisers pay for.
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Seriously, though, there is a campaign to mail socks to the CW headquarters as proof of the shows devoted fandom.
Are you sure devoted is the right word?
At its heart, Reaper is a comedy, so I'm trying to keep a good attitude about the 'cause' and I'll believe that the socks are being sent as 'humor'.
These fan campaigns are silly. If CW fans wanted to save their shows, the first thing they should do is watch them when they air rather than watching them off DVR.
Originally posted by ughreality: "And it's always a pleasure to see Lost tanking, of course. Another aimless and meaningless show"
This is an ignorant statement. Obviously you either like or don't like the show. I know it's a bit "smarter" than the normal CBS crime procedural but if that's not your gig then that's not your gig.
In any case I wouldn't call the show "tanking" . I would summarize that it's numbers are about on par with the trend for most shows post strike. Again, name another show that has had five different time periods in 4 seasons that would pull in better numbers in this type of TV environment this year than Lost has?
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Originally posted by total eclipse: ABC is in Trouble! UB was a bubble, and it now burst. Nothing there but plenty of soap. GA is a show that in such a decline (creatively and commercially) that even when they bring back a much loved character and create sensational promos - the viewers still run for the hills. And it's always a pleasure to see Lost tanking, of course. Another aimless and meaningless show.
Yeah, you're right. You really need an extremely high IQ to understand GA. I have a college diploma and i still find very difficult to understand all this relationship drama. I mean i needed to rewatch one episodes 4 times just to figure out how Mc Steamy took away dr.Grey's panties. my head was burning from all the concentration. And if i had all these problems with GA i don't even need to describe the mental pain i had to endure in order to understand Lost. I mean all the black smoke, where it's coming? It's a metaphor for "smoking cigaretts kills you" or is the polar bear smoking to many cuban cigars? Just heartbraking and mentally painful question
Well, when the season ends, we''l see Dh on top of the Scripted list, buit only because they aired jusr ONE repeat episode in its regularly scheduled time slot. All of its numbers will be just New Episodes.
CSI aired about 50/50 mix of new and repeats with its season numbers.
Grey's aired about 6 repeat episodes in the Thursdays, 9pm slot.
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Originally posted by lopez: With those numbers, Desperate Houswives will be again the #1 scripted show on TV
In terms of viewers, CSI will be #1. In terms of demo, it will be close, but Grey's Anatomy will likely be #1.
Meanwhile, Desperate Housewives is getting a much bigger lead-in and much less competition than Grey's Anatomy.
I'm starting to worry about Ugly Betty. It's really down. It's too bad cause I enjoy it a lot and I know that usually shows drop in the Spring, but UB's drop seems to be bigger than for other shows. It sucks because now they're pulling a Linday Lohan stunt casting to try and lift ratings up, but that will just make the show horrible. Why not bring back Salma Hayeck? She was entertainig in the first season. Guess ABC looked at HIMYM's growth after Britney. I hope it doesn't become a trend!
Its not ABC's fault that they realize a show repeats like crap and decides instead to air something else in the lucrative post-Home Edition slot. It was a brilliant move by them. Had CBS offered up anything of real substance (or had anything ready for that matter) they could've pulled some of the repeats of their dramas too.
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: Well, when the season ends, we''l see Dh on top of the Scripted list, buit only because they aired jusr ONE repeat episode in its regularly scheduled time slot. All of its numbers will be just New Episodes.
CSI aired about 50/50 mix of new and repeats with its season numbers.
Grey's aired about 6 repeat episodes in the Thursdays, 9pm slot.
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Originally posted by Obveeus:
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Originally posted by lopez: With those numbers, Desperate Houswives will be again the #1 scripted show on TV
In terms of viewers, CSI will be #1. In terms of demo, it will be close, but Grey's Anatomy will likely be #1.
Meanwhile, Desperate Housewives is getting a much bigger lead-in and much less competition than Grey's Anatomy.
