I think ABC should try moving Greys to another night next fall. There's just too much conter programing at 9 and it's hurting Grey's. There's just not enough viewers for CSI, The Office and Greys to be confortable together in the timeslot anymore! Not to mention it kills Supernatural
I agree, UB does feel like its been for 5 seasons already because so much has happened and all the characters have changed so much. Ever since Earl went to prison the show just has been a chore to watch. What was wrong with just having him continue down the list like he was? After all he had 178 things or whatever on it, enough for 8 seasons worth.
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Originally posted by trebek:
This show and MNIE switched up the dynamic too much in my opinion. The shows aren't even 2 or 3 years old, respectively and they did away with the formula that worked. UB needs to have the characters interact more at the office, and with her family. MNIE needs to go back to the list.
Originally posted by the128boy: Let me say, that for someone who thinks CBS needs to axe several of it's aging, declining procedurals, I am impressed with the original CSI. As for CSI:NY, Cold Case, Shark: AXE THEM! And Without A Trace and Criminal Minds are overrated.
However, CSI is doing quite well, and is a reliable tentpole for CBS on this night.
We know you're a CBS hater so you want this network to drop to fifth place. CSINY, Cold Case even Shark are doing what few shows can do these days: pull over 10 million. If CBS wants a suicide than it can cancel them And WAT and CM are overrated by what standards? Actually CM is underrated
Well, up until last week Supernatural averaged 3 million for its first 12 episodes, with 3.23 million and a 1.4 in 18-34 with episode 12, so that really isn't a fair claim.
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Originally posted by WBer89: I like how The CW renews Supernatural with 2.53 million and a 1.0 demo and Reaper might get canceled with 2.51 million and a 1.1 demo. Adding to the fire is the fact that Supernatural had Smallville as a lead-in and Reaper had the practically non-existing Beauty and the Geek. Talk about fairness...
I think ABC should try moving Greys to another night next fall. There's just too much conter programing at 9 and it's hurting Grey's. There's just not enough viewers for CSI, The Office and Greys to be confortable together in the timeslot anymore! Not to mention it kills Supernatural
If any of the networks tried to shake up their Thursday schedule, they'd be giving up the night. And a show is not going to benefit in a different timeslot.
Posts: 406 | Location: Arkansas | Registered: 25 January 2008
Originally posted by tvchtw: But see here's the issue that noone seems to be addressing. If the networks get rid of the shows that are still popular but slipping what do they replace them with? Nothing from this past fall's slate has broken out so its very risky to just start slashing shows expecting the next breakout hit. Realistically out of 30 new shows maybe 1 or 2 will breakout and maybe another 3 or 4 will survive. So yes obviously theres some concern about Betty, Greys, lost, CSI etc. but in this day and age, with increased cable competition and DVRS, what can we really expect? Across the board almost every show on network TV is down.
Lets remember the cr*p that was on the air during the strike and remind ourselves that this is the alternative
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Originally posted by the128boy: Let me say, that for someone who thinks CBS needs to axe several of it's aging, declining procedurals, I am impressed with the original CSI. As for CSI:NY, Cold Case, Shark: AXE THEM! And Without A Trace and Criminal Minds are overrated.
However, CSI is doing quite well, and is a reliable tentpole for CBS on this night.
Well unless there is another strike next year, using the "crap that was on during the strike" as an example of "the alternative" isn't exactly fair. With fall coming, these nets have the option of replacing these underperforming shows with new quality programming (not rushing garbage to the air as an emergency maneuver).
ABC is in Trouble! UB was a bubble, and it now burst. Nothing there but plenty of soap. GA is a show that in such a decline (creatively and commercially) that even when they bring back a much loved character and create sensational promos - the viewers still run for the hills. And it's always a pleasure to see Lost tanking, of course. Another aimless and meaningless show.
Originally posted by WBer89: I like how The CW renews Supernatural with 2.53 million and a 1.0 demo and Reaper might get canceled with 2.51 million and a 1.1 demo. Adding to the fire is the fact that Supernatural had Smallville as a lead-in and Reaper had the practically non-existing Beauty and the Geek. Talk about fairness...
Lets see why might they have done that. Oh it was averaging higher ratings in viewers and demos when they made their choice. When they switched slots, Reaper still averaged worse.
Hard to fault a network for actually using statistical data in making a choice.
And this is from soemone who just posted that Supernatural should be a loser this week.
Originally posted by mswood: Lets see why might they have done that. Oh it was averaging higher ratings in viewers and demos when they made their choice. When they switched slots, Reaper still averaged worse.
"Averaged" over the whole three weeks it was on Thursday?
03/13/08(Thur) 2.52 M 1.1 03/20/08(Thur) 2.94 M 1.2 03/27/08(Thur) 2.78 M 1.2
And that was the only two weeks ever Reaper had a good lead-in.
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Supernatural has fallen a lot lately. Maybe CW did the season renewal too early.
UB suffers from a concept that is getting stale. There is a limit to Betty's "fish out of water" behavior and the viewers are getting tired of it. Even with the potential stunt casting, I don't see this show lasting more than another season.
New quality programming like what? You think any new drama on CBS will outperform any of the CSIs, without a trace or Criminal minds? Yes they should replace shows like Cane and shark and try to find new hits, but realistically it just doesn't happen very often.
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Originally posted by the128boy:
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Originally posted by tvchtw: But see here's the issue that noone seems to be addressing. If the networks get rid of the shows that are still popular but slipping what do they replace them with? Nothing from this past fall's slate has broken out so its very risky to just start slashing shows expecting the next breakout hit. Realistically out of 30 new shows maybe 1 or 2 will breakout and maybe another 3 or 4 will survive. So yes obviously theres some concern about Betty, Greys, lost, CSI etc. but in this day and age, with increased cable competition and DVRS, what can we really expect? Across the board almost every show on network TV is down.
Lets remember the cr*p that was on the air during the strike and remind ourselves that this is the alternative
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Originally posted by the128boy: Let me say, that for someone who thinks CBS needs to axe several of it's aging, declining procedurals, I am impressed with the original CSI. As for CSI:NY, Cold Case, Shark: AXE THEM! And Without A Trace and Criminal Minds are overrated.
However, CSI is doing quite well, and is a reliable tentpole for CBS on this night.
Well unless there is another strike next year, using the "crap that was on during the strike" as an example of "the alternative" isn't exactly fair. With fall coming, these nets have the option of replacing these underperforming shows with new quality programming (not rushing garbage to the air as an emergency maneuver).
FOX First in Young Adults, CBS Reigns in Households and Viewers After Eight Days of 2008 May Sweep
After eight days of the 2008 May Sweep, FOX maintains a .38 lead over second place ABC in the prized A18-49 demo. Mr. McPherson must get on the telephone and urge the producers of Lost and Grey's Anatomy to get those two-hour season finale episodes finished sooner so they can be skedded where he needs them...in the May Sweep. These four hours could prove to be decisive for ABC in winning the May Sweep over FOX.
CBS maintains the lead in households and viewership with comfortable margins. With the exception of MyNetworkTV, all the networks are down year-over-year in A18-49 demo, HUT and viewership. Based on the first week of numbers, MyNetworkTV is showing impressive year-over-year gains: up 59% in A18-49, up 47% in households and up 47% in viewers. Whereas a year ago, MNT was at about one-third of CW levels, this May it is trending in the one-half range.
+/- nights nights
demo demo demo % won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 FOX 3.45 3.93 -12% 4 3
2 ABC 3.07 3.85 -20% 3 4
3 CBS 2.80 3.22 -13% 1 1
4 NBC 2.10 2.43 -13%
5 CW 1.09 1.29 -16%
6 MNT* 0.49 0.31 59%
total 13.01 15.02 -13% 8 8
+/- nights nights
HH HH HH % won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 6.7 7.4 -9% 4 3
2 ABC 6.2 7.0 -12% 2 3
3 FOX 5.8 6.2 -6% 2 2
4 NBC 4.4 4.7 -7%
5 CW 1.7 2.0 -16%
6 MNT* 0.8 0.6 47%
total 25.6 27.9 -8% 8 8
+/- nights nights
viewer viewers viewers % won won
rank web 2008 2007 chg 2008 2007
1 CBS 10.456 11.605 -10% 3 3
2 FOX 9.484 10.170 -7% 3 2
3 ABC 9.363 10.747 -13% 2 3
4 NBC 6.636 7.136 -7%
5 CW 2.638 3.172 -17%
6 MNT* 1.323 0.842 57%
total 39.900 43.672 -9% 8 8
*MyNetworkTV is first seven nights only.
This years and last years numbers are based upon final Nielsen numbers except for last night which is based on FAST National data.
