Originally posted by DB108: CBS's problem is that it can't find a non-procedural hit to save its life. Virtually all of it's hour-longs that do well are procedurals. Granted, CBS has done very well with them, but as the appetite wanes for procedurals (and it is - the numbers are down for almost all of them), CBS will be in trouble.
Same goes for ABC with dramedies. Fox, out of all of the networks, surprisingly seems to have the most balances schedule. It has two hit procedurals (House & Bones), two hit reality series (AI and MoT), a hit serial (24), and several hit 1/2 hours (The Simpsons, FG). If viewer tastes turn from any one of these types of series, Fox is well prepared to weather the storm.
Simpsons isn't really a hit anymore, Bones is a modest one.
Something tells me 24 is going to really suffer when it returns next fall. All of its viewers aren't going to return. And recall last year it was down a about 2-3 million from the year before?
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We can almost predict next week that ML will lose viewers and demo from GW, but finish first or maybe second in viewers and the demo, and everyone is going to say nice job by ML, and it should be renewed. I bet you it makes Marc's winners list, because it wins its time slot. I say it is the phoniest winning time slot show I can think of. It has absolutely no competition against it. Is Duel or CL or whatever going to beat it ? No way. Almost every other show on TV would be gone if it constantly lost viewers at 9:00 from its 8:00 lead in. Its success is purely a function of no competition. If it was in a competitive time slot, it would probably finish third or fourth. Look, if CBS renews it that is their thing. It really doesn't bother me either way, but I just think the show is a phoney success show based on buzz and no competition.
Look at that Monday at 8:00 time slot. You have the most competitive time slot on TV with DWTS, Bones, DOND, BBT/HIMYM and GG. Does anything think that ML could do anything but finish a distant fourth with competition like that ? Now that is a competitive time slot. ML faces absolutely no competition.
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It looks like NBC is finally getting competitive with CBS on Fridays. I agree that they have something with Most Outrageous Moments and that originals could compete with Ghost Whisperer for the 8 PM title. Taking NBC's lead, FOX could program Smile! Your Arrested on Fridays next year and try to court the same crowd. Dateline is a steady performer for NBC. Really good numbers considering how the other shows performed.
lets see...cbs was in repeats and nbc was new and only managed a 1.8 demo...ya competitive
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Originally posted by Twins12: ML always does the same whether it be in repeats or new episodes. It always loses some audience and demo from GW, drags down the 9:00 hour, but then CBS comes back up to GW ratings with Numbers at 10:00. The only reason it always finishes first or second in viewers and demo is strictly because the other networks refuse to program against it. If ABC or FOX had any decent show against ML it would finish third or fourth in it time period. Personally, I think CBS could do much better in that time period between GW and Numbers, but something tells me they will renew it because of the fanatical, loud and outgoing fan base it commands on the internet. They are small, but make their voices heard.
No, This is NOT Moonlight's doings. When GW reran at 9p after TPiR, the same thing happened. The numbers for 9 tanked compared to 8, then spiked again for 10. It's not the show, it's the time. And having a dedicated fandom is a PLUS. Every network wishes its shows had such following. Other try to generate a similar buzz, but fail (Heroes comes to mind).
incorrect!! when TPIR was on at 8pm GW did go down b/c it was in repeats...further it repeated between 1.7-1.9...moonlight repeated at 1.3..,moonlight is a weaker show.
plus hut levels at 9pm are also higher then 8pm...
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Originally posted by gdfriends: old christine, ghost whisperer & the unit...there demos are lighter but they are still all solid performers.
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Originally posted by tvfan300: And Rules of Engagement as well. Survivor and TAR also pull in decent numbers.
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Originally posted by total eclipse:
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Originally posted by DB108: CBS's problem is that it can't find a non-procedural hit to save its life.
DB108, may I introduce to you How I met your Mother, Two and Half Men and The Big Bang Theory.
The big story for CBS is that they cannot find a hit serialized drama. But i don't know if that's such a problem beacause this type of show generally falters quickly and it does bad in repeats. Si i don't think they are very concerned
Originally posted by gdfriends: old christine, ghost whisperer & the unit...there demos are lighter but they are still all solid performers.
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Originally posted by tvfan300: And Rules of Engagement as well. Survivor and TAR also pull in decent numbers.
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Originally posted by total eclipse:
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Originally posted by DB108: CBS's problem is that it can't find a non-procedural hit to save its life.
DB108, may I introduce to you How I met your Mother, Two and Half Men and The Big Bang Theory.
The big story for CBS is that they cannot find a hit serialized drama. But i don't know if that's such a problem beacause this type of show generally falters quickly and it does bad in repeats. Si i don't think they are very concerned
But those are really all the rage right now. They get the buzz. They get the hot stars. CBS wants that and of course the better demos that tend to come with them. And while syndication is less of a moneymaker, with DVDs and iTunes, these shows are really starting to make money in other ways as well. The only problem comes when more people are watching that way than over the air and that's Cdub's problem. I think CBS could get people to watch over the air.
It looks like NBC is finally getting competitive with CBS on Fridays.
NBC barely wins the night because CBS is in repeats and the weak competition of ABC and FOX. Let's see how "competitive" NBC will be when CBS returns with new episodes and ABC/FOX offer solid programming.
