Those that like October Road, I hope you were satisfied with last night's finale.
I'm sure ABC is glad Dancing with the Stars returns next Monday. It must have seemed like an eternity to them.
Promising for Canterbury's Law, and even New Amsterdam, if it can stay at those levels, actually building on its lead-in.
But I don't understand the continual snub of Medium. CSI reruns perform extremely well, and its not disappointing to come a close second to a show like CSI: Miami.
-Percent Change From the Year-Ago Evening (Monday, March 11, 2007) NBC and Fox: +13 each, CW: -25, CBS: -27, ABC: -34
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-Yesterday’s Winners: Two and a Half Men R (CBS), Deal or No Deal (NBC)
-Promising Start: Canterbury’s Law (Fox)
-Yesterday’s Losers (Excluding Repeats): My Dad is Better Than Your Dad (NBC), October Road (ABC), Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious (CW)
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-Ratings Breakdown: There is not much you can say when the top-rated network averages below a 7-rating in the metered markets. On that note, CBS opened this second Monday of March first in the metered markets, followed by NBC, Fox, ABC and the CW. Dominance among adults 18-49, however, could fall in either CBS, NBC or Fox’s court.
In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
CBS opened the evening with a repeat of How I Met Your Mother (#3: 4.7/ 7), followed by an 8:30 p.m. installment of The New Adventures of Old Christine (#2t: 5.3/ 8), a repeat of Two and a Half Men (#1: 8.2/12), the regularly scheduled edition of Old Christine (#2: 6.6/10) and a repeat of CSI: Miami (#1: 7.3/12). The Eye net, no doubt, was looking to see if Old Christine would compete at 8:30 p.m. The prognosis: not very positive.
Next Monday on CBS, it is a night of all original sitcoms beginning with addictive The Big Bang Theory now at 8 p.m.
NBC began on a quiet note care of reality/competition My Dad is Better Than Your Dad at a fourth-place 3.8/ 6 at 8 p.m. But Deal or No Deal, now in the Monday 9 p.m. hour, perked up to a second-place 7.3/11 from 9-10 p.m. – 92 percent above My Dad is Better Than Your Dad. Capping off the evening for NBC was drama Medium, with a second-place 6.9/11 at 10 p.m. Considering Medium faced an encore telecast of CSI: Miami, this is disappointing.
ABC 8 p.m. special The Bachelor: Where Are They Now? got some sampling, with a second-place 5.3/ 8 in the overnights. But the final two episodes of drama October Road dipped to a mere 3.3/ 5 from 9-11 p.m., ultimately sealing its fate.
Last was the CW’s combination of a repeat of the already renewed Gossip Girl (1.1/ 2), which the network is hoping will pick up steam next season, and reality/competition Pussycat Dolls Present: Girlicious (1.4/ 2), which is about to lose this time period to the soon-to-relocate One Tree Hill. Chances are there will not be a third season for Pussycat Dolls.
Originally posted by pisher: Not Marc, but honestly, this is so easy to answer--
1)The Simpsons costs far less to produce. Almost any one hour drama costs more than The Simpsons, but ER, due to the duration of its run, is massively expensive.
2)The Simpsons is worth a fortune in merchandising, licensing fees, and is a valuable (and universally recognized) corporate symbol for the FOX Network. NBC hardly gets the same benefits from ER, particularly given that all its most famous and well-liked stars have long since left the building.
3)Sheesh, with pathetic competition on Thursdays, ER can't even top The Simpsons in the demo?
It's nothing to do with what Marc says. Marc has never argued that The Simpsons should stay on the air. Why would anyone bother to argue that? There's not the slightest chance The Simpsons will be canceled in the next five years. There's not the slightest chance ER won't be.
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Marc,
Here are the ratings for 2 shows from their most recent new airing:
Show #1: Viewers: 8.97 million (#2), A18-49: 3.5/ 9 (#1) Show #2: Viewers: 7.28 million (#3), A18-49: 3.5/10 (#1t)
Show #1 you constantly berate and say it should be canceled. Show #2, you constantly give your blessing and say it should stay on the air.
Show #1 = ER Show #2 = Simpsons
Could you please explain why one of these shows in your mind performs so badly and should be put to rest, while the other one is doing great?
pisher, you make some great points here. Really. I honestly believe you should become the new Mr. TV. You add some thought provoking analysis generally not provided. From Marc, we get this:
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The Simpsons still scores among adults 18-49 and deserves a spot on the schedule.
Taking this complete statement is read as the Simpsons scores a 3.5, so it should be kept around. Which would lead one to believe that any show with a 3.5 should be kept. You, meanwhile, add some perspective to the situation, with solid reasoning.
NA's time period debut is a full percentage point higher in the overnights than the season finale of SCC was last week.
In the looming vehement debate over which show FOX should cancel, I just want it officially known that I think both shows suck to hell, and should never have been greenlit in the first place.
Which really, is my opinion about every non-animated show FOX has come up with in the past decade or so.
I thought Canterbury’s Law was a very good show, for a pilot. A little typical at times, but I really liked it.
It does put pressure on shows like T:SCC and PB as far as what gets renewed for next season.
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In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
I honestly believe you should become the new Mr. TV.
You mean I'm not already?
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You add some thought provoking analysis generally not provided.
I'm provoking thoughts? Are they going to gang up and attack me?
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From Marc, we get this:
quote: The Simpsons still scores among adults 18-49 and deserves a spot on the schedule.
Wow--it's almost like he doesn't think it's worth spending a lot of time discussing why a show nobody seriously thinks will be canceled shouldn't be canceled!
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Taking this complete statement is read as the Simpsons scores a 3.5, so it should be kept around.
Wow--it's almost as if you don't understand he's not saying 3.5 in the demo always means renewal, but rather that there are multiple comparitive factors involved, even though anybody with a brain who spends time on this forum should know that by now.
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Which would lead one to believe that any show with a 3.5 should be kept.
AL--your brain! What happened?
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You, meanwhile, add some perspective to the situation, with solid reasoning.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: looks like both series did well last night.
I thought Canterbury’s Law was a very good show, for a pilot. A little typical at times, but I really liked it.
It does put pressure on shows like T:SCC and PB as far as what gets renewed for next season.
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In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
Very promising, although the true test is next week, when they face the return of Dancing With the Stars and 2.5 Men, etc.
Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m.
I know this is kind of apples to oranges, but...
The finals for the Thursday airing of NA show a 6.2 in households. If this 6.1 holds, that's pretty impressive considering its lead-in was significantly lower. (I used the finals because AI ran into the 9:00 hour, skewing the fast nationals).
I'm sure a big bite will be taken out of both, but the question is.... "What will be an acceptable level against DWtS?"
Mondays all of a sudden looks very competitive. DOND - DWTS - BBT/HIMYM - CL.
CL should be in 4th next week, but if it can stay close to DOND and/or BBT/HIMYM, then it has a shot for extended life.
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Originally posted by Chimera:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: looks like both series did well last night.
I thought Canterbury’s Law was a very good show, for a pilot. A little typical at times, but I really liked it.
It does put pressure on shows like T:SCC and PB as far as what gets renewed for next season.
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In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
Very promising, although the true test is next week, when they face the return of Dancing With the Stars and 2.5 Men, etc.
Originally posted by Holly: If this 6.1 holds, that's pretty impressive considering its lead-in was significantly lower. (I used the finals because AI ran into the 9:00 hour, skewing the fast nationals).
I agree that the numbers for New Amsterdam are promising. If it can hold at this level, I definitely see FOX bringing it back next year (midseason again). The fact that last night's episode did a better job with the mystery/police procedural stuff should also help maintain the ratings.
Canterbury's Law had a disappointing start, IMO. Unless it can hold nearly all of its audience from its premiere, it will be below Prison Break and Terminator by next week and have little chance at renewal.
The New Adventures of Old Christine offered definitive proof to CBS that the 9:30 slot is a free ride compared with the 8:30 slot. I'm not sure the ratings did anything to increase TNAoOC's chances of renewal, but it probably hurt RoE's chances ever so slightly. If nothing else, CBS has an increased reason to believe that RoE will ONLY perform at a high level if it stays in the current cushy timeslot. The high ratings will not transfer if CBS tries to branch out into a second night of comedy.
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I'm sure a big bite will be taken out of both, but the question is.... "What will be an acceptable level against DWtS?"
Mondays all of a sudden looks very competitive. DOND - DWTS - BBT/HIMYM - CL.
CL should be in 4th next week, but if it can stay close to DOND and/or BBT/HIMYM, then it has a shot for extended life.
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Originally posted by Chimera:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: looks like both series did well last night.
I thought Canterbury’s Law was a very good show, for a pilot. A little typical at times, but I really liked it.
It does put pressure on shows like T:SCC and PB as far as what gets renewed for next season.
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In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
Very promising, although the true test is next week, when they face the return of Dancing With the Stars and 2.5 Men, etc.
House is also moving to Monday nights right?
And don't forget the CW's new Monday night line up of GG and OTH!
Originally posted by TV-aholic: I'm sure a big bite will be taken out of both, but the question is.... "What will be an acceptable level against DWtS?"
Mondays all of a sudden looks very competitive. DOND - DWTS - BBT/HIMYM - CL.
CL should be in 4th next week, but if it can stay close to DOND and/or BBT/HIMYM, then it has a shot for extended life.
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Originally posted by Chimera:
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Originally posted by TV-aholic: looks like both series did well last night.
I thought Canterbury’s Law was a very good show, for a pilot. A little typical at times, but I really liked it.
It does put pressure on shows like T:SCC and PB as far as what gets renewed for next season.
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In series-premiere news, Fox legal drama Canterbury’s Law (headlined by the riveting Julianna Margulies) got off to a respectable start, with a first-place 5.7 rating/9 share in the overnights at 8 p.m. One year earlier, however, a repeat of House was stronger at a 6.9/11 on March 12, 2007. Canterbury’s Law led into the time period premiere of New Amsterdam, which rose to 6.1/ 9 at 9 p.m. Comparably, that ranked third in the time period, 27 percent below year-ago occupant 24 (8.4/13).
Very promising, although the true test is next week, when they face the return of Dancing With the Stars and 2.5 Men, etc.
House is also moving to Monday nights right?
And don't forget the CW's new Monday night line up of GG and OTH!
House moves once Canterbury's Law is done in late April -- they're both on the same network. I think this whole series of posts started with regard to what other shows will be competing with CL and NA.
Agreed. Given Fox owns everything surrounding the show (network, studio, etc.), they can continue it ten more years if they want.
But since NBC doesn't own "ER", and with its diminished ratings performance, how can they justify keeping it on the air? Didn't NBC pay Warner $13 million in licensing fees per episode at one point?
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Originally posted by pisher: Belatedly responding to somebody who said Marc should be calling for The Simpsons to be canceled, as much as he calls for ER to be canceled.
Leaving aside the fact that The Simpsons is far more profitable for its network than ER, gets better ratings relatively speaking, has all its original characters (well, except Lionel Hutz and Troy McClure--miss ya, Phil), and ER has NONE of its original characters--leaving all that aside, can I just ask--how many ER movies have there been? And if there was an ER movie, does anybody think there's the slightest chance it wouldn't flop?
Probably there was no real necessity for Peanuts to run as long as it did, but does that mean the strip should have folded in the 70's, with Schulz still wanting to draw it, and people still wanting to read it?
The Simpsons isn't like other TV shows. There's no reason to it to end as long as the people who are essential to it still want to do it.
ER, otoh, is just the latest version of Dr. Kildare and Ben Casey--which were canceled a long time ago, and NOBODY CARES.
